Rick: He was with the Army. He was assigned to the 320th Combat Engineers, Company C, 95th Division. He left the U.S. on Aug. 9, 1944 on the West Point (formerly the America) and arrived in Liverpool approximately 4 days later? I have another piece of information that states he was with the 2nd armored Division, Company "C" 17th Armored Engineering Battalion. Is this conflicting information? Please forgive my ignorance but I don't know where to research the station and/or troop list for his unit or next senior unit of assignment/attachment because unfortunately I don't know which of the above is a "unit." If you could possibly point me in the right direction I'll do my best to take it from there. Thank you so much for answering my query. Everyone on this board has been extremely helpful and I do appreciate the amount of time spent answering my questions. Adrienne

Many thanks to all the veterans. Sherry

Adrienne, First, assuming you know your friends' branch of service, but I believe it's safe to assume U.S. Army. If you know his unit of assignment at the time of his arrival (Example: 38th Inf Regiment), simply research the station and/or troop list for that unit or next senior unit of assignment/attachment. You will have to determine whether it is an Army Air Corps or not, but post his unit on this board and that can be quickly answered. After that, it will involve some time but again, this board can help you with his order of battle. When you have established that, the station /troop list will be relatively easy to find and should give you the town or area they were stationed and for how long. Rick

Barbara, USS = United State Ship ie. US Navy ship Liberty and Victory ships with the prefix SS were merchant marine ships not US Navy, even though they may have been troopships. SS denotes Steam Ship. Suggest http://www.usmm.org/ for more. Regards, Dave Barbara Phillips wrote: > Good Evening List, > I have a question about WWII Ships. Most US ships carry the USS before their names, however, the Liberty Ships were all simpley SS not USS. Is there anyone that knows why this was? They were also military ships. So I don't understand the difference. > Thank you, > Barbara Ann Phillips > bphil1@earthlink.net > > > >

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Dave, Thank you for this information. It sure does make sense of it. Thank you, Barbara > [Original Message] > From: David Dixon <dixond2@bigpond.net.au> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/28/2006 10:13:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WAR SHIPS > > Barbara, > USS = United State Ship ie. US Navy ship > Liberty and Victory ships with the prefix SS were merchant marine ships > not US Navy, even though they may have been troopships. SS denotes > Steam Ship. > Suggest http://www.usmm.org/ for more. > Regards, > Dave > > Barbara Phillips wrote: > > Good Evening List, > > I have a question about WWII Ships. Most US ships carry the USS before their names, however, the Liberty Ships were all simpley SS not USS. Is there anyone that knows why this was? They were also military ships. So I don't understand the difference. > > Thank you, > > Barbara Ann Phillips > > bphil1@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Good Evening List, I have a question about WWII Ships. Most US ships carry the USS before their names, however, the Liberty Ships were all simpley SS not USS. Is there anyone that knows why this was? They were also military ships. So I don't understand the difference. Thank you, Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net

I goodled and found this website. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2670/HAMILTON-001.htm Barbara Phillips > [Original Message] > From: Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/28/2006 7:19:38 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Hamilton > > This Hamilton was actually a ship - the USS Paul Hamilton - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judy lewis" <judyale@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Hamilton > > > | Deliah > | Please forward anything you have on the name Hamilton. > | > | Many thanks > | > | Judy Hamilton Lewis-ellison > | > | > | > | --------------------------------- > | All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and > ease of use." - PC Magazine > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring > to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > | > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Deliah Please forward anything you have on the name Hamilton. Many thanks Judy Hamilton Lewis-ellison --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

Dave, All you need to do is to search the list of Federal Repositories and go to the nearest Library which will have copies of Officer's Registers. You will not be able to check out the books due to their historical value, however you will be able to request access and utilize for a few hours within the library. Rick

This Hamilton was actually a ship - the USS Paul Hamilton - ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy lewis" <judyale@yahoo.co.uk> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Hamilton | Deliah | Please forward anything you have on the name Hamilton. | | Many thanks | | Judy Hamilton Lewis-ellison | | | | --------------------------------- | All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Hi; Does any one have access to the US Army Officer's Registers from about 1919 to late 1930's I am trying to find some bio information on a Great Uncle of mine. I understand the Register also included National Guard and Army Reserve officers. Dave

Fietje, Just read your email - what can I say - great work. How did you manage it from Holland. Regards, from Oz, Dave Fietje Quaedvlieg wrote: > Field Title Value Meaning > ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 36336554 36336554 > NAME CIZEWSKI#FELIX#A######## CIZEWSKI#FELIX#A######## > RESIDENCE: STATE 61 ILLINOIS > RESIDENCE: COUNTY 031 COOK > PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 6120 CHICAGO ILLINOIS > DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 07 07 > DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 05 05 > DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 42 42 > GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION PVT# Private > GRADE: CODE 8 Private > BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION BI# Branch Immaterial - Warrant > Officers, USA > BRANCH: CODE 00 Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA > FIELD USE AS DESIRED # # > TERM OF ENLISTMENT 5 Enlistment for the duration of the War or > other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the > President or otherwise according to law > LONGEVITY ### ### > SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL 0 Civil Life > NATIVITY 61 ILLINOIS > YEAR OF BIRTH 18 18 > RACE AND CITIZENSHIP 1 White, citizen > EDUCATION 3 3 years of high school > CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 736 TRACKTOR DRIVER* or TRUCK DRIVER, HEAVY > or CHAUFFEUR or TRUCK DRIVER, LIGHT > MARITAL STATUS 6 Single, without dependents > COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 7 Selectees (Enlisted Men) > CARD NUMBER # # > BOX NUMBER 1067 1067 > FILM REEL NUMBER 5.129 5.129 > > > Greetings > >

Congratulations Leonard, I am sure that your late father would have been proud of your perseverance. You have probably also given a lot of your compatriots in the same position a lot of hope. Regards, From Oz, Dave Leonard Cizewski wrote: > My late father's WW2 records were apparently among > those destroyed in the '73 Records Center fire. I have > posted on my web site the Certification of Military > Service the Records reconstructed from alternate > sources. They state this can be used for any purpose > for which the original discharge document was used, > including the application for veterans benefits. > > http://www.ibiblio.org/cizewski/cert/cert.html > > > > Leonard H. Cizewski > Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, Europe, WW2 > Son-in-law of Ralph E. Robinson, Landing Ship Medium 34, Pacific, WW2 > > http://personalpages.tds.net/%7Ecizewski/Felix/ww2index.html > > http://www.ibiblio.org/cizewski/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

What Country/service was he in? At 18:04 24/05/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Is there anywhere on the web or otherwise that I can find out a discharge >date for my uncle, Oda Hart? > > > >==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006

http://www.lockdales.com/AuctionMedals&Militaria.htm There are a lot of medals and other things listed here on this site, I think it is an auction site.

There is a web site for Indiana Veterans, if he was from Indiana, since he trained at Ft Benjamin Harrison, www.IndianaMilitary.org you may want to put his onformation here, write the web master - ----- Original Message ----- From: "nell lamantia" <nellie@woh.rr.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Discharge date | Is there anywhere on the web or otherwise that I can find out a discharge | date for my uncle, Oda Hart? | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

On scoll Nov 3, 1943 trained North Carolina Battery C 8th Battalion 44th FA BN was in the 4th Infantry Division. 44th Field Artillery Battalion Tractor Drawn 105mm Howitzers Jan 18, '44 Embarked from New York Jan 29, '44 Arrived in England July 10, 1944 Landed in France on D-Day Wonder how Berlin will look (he is in France) October 1944 Somewhere in Germany Will try to write Been in combat since 6 June. Have seen 5 foreign countries Saw London, Paris, Belgium, Luxembourg. Now in hilly country Mentioned Smoky November 1944 Somewhere in Germany in combat Mentioned Smoky and Floyd Served in the Normandy, Northern France, Rhineland, Ardennes-Alsace (Battle of the Bulge), and Central Europe Campaigns. truck ran over a mine and the explosion injured his ankle. Returned to New York on July 10, 1945. Was in Camp Atterbury hospital in Indiana (probably discharged from there) March 28, 1946 killed in motorcycle accident service number in the National Archives records of enlistment: http://aad.archives.gov/aad/fielded-search.jsp?dt=893&tf=F&cat=GP23&bc=sl ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 35932589 NAME HART#ODA#M HART#ODA#M RESIDENCE: STATE #2 Undefined Code RESIDENCE: COUNTY 235 Undefined Code PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 5124 FT BENJAMIN HARRISON INDIANA DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 31 31 DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 08 08 DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 43 43 GRADE: CODE 8 Private TERM OF ENLISTMENT 5 Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL 0 Civil Life NATIVITY 52 KENTUCKY YEAR OF BIRTH 22 22 RACE AND CITIZENSHIP 1 White, citizen EDUCATION 2 2 years of high school CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 723 CONCRETE-MIXER OPERATOR* or EARTH-BORING MACHINE OPERATOR or HIGHWAY CONCTRUCTION MACHINE OPERATOR MARITAL STATUS 3 Separated, with dependents COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 7 Selectees (Enlisted Men ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Discharge date > What Country/service was he in? > > > > At 18:04 24/05/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Is there anywhere on the web or otherwise that I can find out a discharge >>date for my uncle, Oda Hart? >> >> >> >>==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >>To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember > to > tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in > now > if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us > understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov > 4, 1944. >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 >> >> > Regards > > George. > > George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce > LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk > Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net > Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com > Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: > http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or > Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Adrienne I also found this page with all of the 1944 Troop Ship crossings from the US with sources of the information, I knew I had seen it somewhere. http://troopships.pier90.org/crossings/1944b.htm it also outlines how the records of ships used to carry troops to their theatres of operations, were destroyed intentionally in 1951. Regards Janice Wales UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dudley Clist" <dudley.clist@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] U.S. Troop arrivals Liverpool + Camps south of London >I have found this web page maybe helpful as you don't have much to go on so >try http://home.freeuk.net/rmarg/data/statnumbers.htm > > Janice > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <INZP@aol.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:50 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] U.S. Troop arrivals Liverpool + Camps south of > London > > >> Is there a record or records somewhere giving arrival dates of U.S. >> troops >> in England, Liverpool to be exact, sometime around August 12-16, 1944? >> >> Also, would anyone know to which camps these troops were assigned. I >> was >> told that after arriving in Liverpool troops were placed on trains and my >> friend was sent to a camp south of London, somewhere in the countryside. >> He >> didn't give me the name but said there was a large estate located nearby >> with a >> wall around it. Where would I begin research to find out which towns or >> areas >> had U.S. troops encamped nearby? I realize the description is vague but >> that's all I have to go on. Thank you, >> >> Adrienne Inman >> >> >> >> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >> To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: >> WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember >> to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are >> in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please >> help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov >> 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

In a message dated 5/24/2006 11:04:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dudley.clist@btinternet.com writes: http://home.freeuk.net/rmarg/data/statnumbers.htm Hi Janice: Thank you for the web sites. I've seen the troop ships records and I do know that he was on the America which became the West Point. I also looked at the other site unfortunately my grasp of geography plus the sheer numbers of camps is daunting. Possibly there were newspapers in London that kept track of these ships as they arrived? Of course that could have been censored information. If anyone is able to give me a starting point for research I can take it from there. Also, would most troop ships have left from Liverpool on their way to France? Thank you for taking the time to answer my query. I appreciate your help. Adrienne