Is this a help ? Greetings 33rd Armoured Regiment liberated Nordhausen on 11 April 1944. History of the 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment. 06 JULY 1942 505TH ACTIVATED 15 AUG 1942 325TH INF. DESIGNATED G.I.R. (82ND INF. NOW A/B DIVISION 12 FEB 1943 505TH JOINS 82ND A/B DIVISION 10 MAY 1943 ARRIVES CASABLANCA, FRENCH MOROCCO, NORTH AFRICA 14 MAY 1943 ARRIVES OUDJA, FRENCH MOROCCO (FOR TRAINING) 10 JULY 1943 JUMPED ON SICILY, 505TH SPEARHEAD, SCATTERED DROP, 0030 HRS 11 JULY 1943 BATTLE OF BIAZZA RIDGE, SICILY 20 AUG 1943 RETURNED TO NORTH AFRICA 05 SEPT 1943 MOVED TO SICILY AS RESERVE 14 SEPT 1943 LEFT TO REPULSE GERMAN COUNTER-ATTACK, SALERNO BEACH-HEAD, ITALY 15 SEPT 1943 JUMPED ON PAESTUM, ITALY (SALERNO BEACH-HEAD) 0230 HRS 15 SEPT 1943 325TH GIR LANDS SALERNO BEACH 28 SEPT 1943 BEACH LANDING AT MAIORI, ITALY 2200 HRS 29 SEPT 1943 ARRIVED AT CASTELLEMARE, ITALY 01 OCT 1943 LIBERATED NAPLES, ITALY 06 OCT 1943 UNITS OF 505TH ENTER ARNONE, VOLTURRO RIVER, ITALY 18 OCT 1943 LEFT NAPLES (ABOARD S.S.FREDERICK FUNSTON) 1715 HRS 09 DEC 1943 ARRIVE AT BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND 14 FEB 1944 ARRIVE AT QUORN, LEICESTER, ENGLAND 31 MAY 1944 MOVE TO SPANHOE & COTTESMORE AIRFIELDS FOR INVASION OF EUROPE 06 JUNE 1944 JUMPED ON NORMANDY, FRANCE (ST MERE EGLISE 0130 HRS) 6/7 JUNE 1944 325TH GIR LANDS NORMANDY, FRANCE 6/9 JUNE 1944 DEFENCE OF ST MERE EGLISE - PRESIDENTIAL UNIT CITATION AWARDED 7/8 JUNE 1944 NEUVILLE-AU-PLAIN, FRESVILLE, LE HAM, MONTEBOURG STATION 15/16 JUNE 1944 CAPTURE OF ST SAVOUR-LE-VICOMTE 20/6 - 4/7 JULY BOIS DE LIMORS, ATTACK ON HILL 131 4/7 JULY 1944 ATTACK ON HILL 95 08 JULY 1944 RELIEVED IN NORMANDY 13 JULY 1944 ARRIVED BACK AT QUORN, ENGLAND 17 SEPT 1944 JUMPED ON GROESBEEK, HOLLAND (1ST DAYLIGHT COMBAT JUMP) 1305 HRS 19/20 SEPT 1944 2/505TH ATTACK NIJMEGAN BRIDGES - 2ND PRESIDENTIAL UNIT CITATION 23 SEPT 1944 325TH LANDINGS REINFORCE 82ND AREA - HEAVY FIGHTING & CASUALTIES 12 NOV 1944 RELIEVED AT BEEK, MAAS RIVER, HOLLAND 0845 HRS 17 NOV 1944 ARRIVED AT SUIPPES, MARNE, FRANCE 18 DEC 1944 LEFT FOR ARDENNES, BELGIUM, ARRIVE WERBOMONT 20 DEC 1944 505TH: TROIS PONTS, SALM RIVER DEFENSIVE LINE, BELGUIM 325TH: BARVAUX, GRANDMENIL, MOUHAN, BELGIUM 3/9 JAN 1945 FIRST ARMY OFFENSIVE: BASSE-BODEUX, REHARMONT, FOSSE, ABREFONTAINE, GORONNE, VIELSALM 12 JAN 1945 THEUX, BELGIUM (CORPS RESERVE) 28 JAN 1945 ADVANCE ARRIVES AT LOSHEIMERGRABEN, GERMANY (SIEGFRIED LINE) 04 FEB 1945 LEFT LOSHEIMERGRABEN 07 FEB 1945 LEFT SALMCHATEAU, BELGIUM FOR HURTGEN FOREST 18 FEB 1945 RELIEVED AND LEAVE ZU SCHNIDT, ROER RIVER, GERMANY 20 FEB 1945 ARRIVE BACK AT SUIPPES 02 APRIL 1945 LEAVE SUIPPES FOR RUHR POCKET, GERMANY 4/29 APRIL 1945 WESSELING, SECHTEM, BLEKEDE, GERMANY 30 APRIL 1945 CROSS THE ELBE RIVER, GERMANY 1/2 MAY 1945 NEUHAUS, VLIELANK, GERMANY 08 MAY 1945 VICTORY IN EUROPE (NO CELEBRATION) 19 AUGUST 1945 ARRIVE IN BERLIN, GERMANY ----- Original Message ----- From: <MStateler@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] answers to questions > Thanks to everyone who answered my questions. I am afraid I was not > specific enough. > James M. Coleman 15103571 > 82nd Airborne, 505, 2nd Bn, Headquarters Company. > He completed his parachute training at Fort Benning, GA in 1942. > He arrived in North Africa May 10, 1943. > He went to Ireland after Italy, (we have a letter from him in Ireland) > > 1. I believe snowfrog is right in stating that he met up with Patton in > Sicily. He spoke of meeting up with him and his troops. > > 2. He spoke of hearing the bagpipes in a way that I thought they had > come > to help them. I always guessed that it happened in Normandy but I don't > know. > I know that when he jumped in Normandy he landed in a tree, and somebody > cut him down. > > 5. The concentration camp that snowfrog mentioned can not be the one he > was > talking about because he was already injured during that time. He was > shot > September 1944. > Could it have been in Nordhousin that he saw they people in the > concentration camp? > Information > > He lost his eye left eye at Nijmegen, Holland. He was near a machine gun > section which was uable to advance because of fire from enemy automatic > weapons. He crawled forward under a barrage of artillery, mortar and > machine gun > fire, to locate the enemy weapons. He deliberately exposed himself to > draw > fire and was wounded during this action. With great determination he > returned > to his own men with information that enabled them to destroy the enemy > gun > positions. He was injured in his hand and eye causing him to have to > have his > eye removed in Belgium. He insisted on going back to duty and left a > Belgium > Hospital for 2 weeks and went back to his company. He only had one eye > at > this time. He also had serious bouts of malaria. > > There is not much information on him from the Department of the Army > before > Normandy. One record shows him receiving his CIB in Normandy and another > receiving it in Holland. We > know this is incorrect. He made all four combat jumps but for some reason > he did not receive his CIB until the Normandy jump. We have a newspaper > article stating his combat jumps. > > New question. > > 6. We would like to know why he did not receive his CIB for his jump in > Sicily. He received 4 Bronze Battle Stars. He made 2 jumps before he > went to > Ireland with the 505. He also jumped in Normandy and Holland. Are there > records of the combat jump sticks? > Any help will be much appreciated. > Marva > > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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I am not certain .....in a letter home my late husband talked about his collection of serviice books explaining that they were like the paperback books we had at home Jessie

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions. I am afraid I was not specific enough. James M. Coleman 15103571 82nd Airborne, 505, 2nd Bn, Headquarters Company. He completed his parachute training at Fort Benning, GA in 1942. He arrived in North Africa May 10, 1943. He went to Ireland after Italy, (we have a letter from him in Ireland) 1. I believe snowfrog is right in stating that he met up with Patton in Sicily. He spoke of meeting up with him and his troops. 2. He spoke of hearing the bagpipes in a way that I thought they had come to help them. I always guessed that it happened in Normandy but I don't know. I know that when he jumped in Normandy he landed in a tree, and somebody cut him down. 5. The concentration camp that snowfrog mentioned can not be the one he was talking about because he was already injured during that time. He was shot September 1944. Could it have been in Nordhousin that he saw they people in the concentration camp? Information He lost his eye left eye at Nijmegen, Holland. He was near a machine gun section which was uable to advance because of fire from enemy automatic weapons. He crawled forward under a barrage of artillery, mortar and machine gun fire, to locate the enemy weapons. He deliberately exposed himself to draw fire and was wounded during this action. With great determination he returned to his own men with information that enabled them to destroy the enemy gun positions. He was injured in his hand and eye causing him to have to have his eye removed in Belgium. He insisted on going back to duty and left a Belgium Hospital for 2 weeks and went back to his company. He only had one eye at this time. He also had serious bouts of malaria. There is not much information on him from the Department of the Army before Normandy. One record shows him receiving his CIB in Normandy and another receiving it in Holland. We know this is incorrect. He made all four combat jumps but for some reason he did not receive his CIB until the Normandy jump. We have a newspaper article stating his combat jumps. New question. 6. We would like to know why he did not receive his CIB for his jump in Sicily. He received 4 Bronze Battle Stars. He made 2 jumps before he went to Ireland with the 505. He also jumped in Normandy and Holland. Are there records of the combat jump sticks? Any help will be much appreciated. Marva

The Red Cross had a drive to get books for the service men - also the USO done it also, are those the books you talking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JbarL@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Service book | Is there some way to secure information concerning the paper back books | furnished to service men during WW2? Who provided the books? How were they made | available? | | Jessie, CA | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Is there some way to secure information concerning the paper back books furnished to service men during WW2? Who provided the books? How were they made available? Jessie, CA

The Red Cross also provided palm size copies of the New Testiment and Psalms. > [Original Message] > From: Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/1/2006 10:41:12 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Service book > > The Red Cross had a drive to get books for the service men - also the USO > done it also, are those the books you talking about. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JbarL@aol.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:01 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Service book > > > | Is there some way to secure information concerning the paper back books > | furnished to service men during WW2? Who provided the books? How were > they made > | available? > | > | Jessie, CA > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to > tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now > if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us > understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov > 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > | > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Rick: Listed below are just a few of the sites I have looked through and still can't find information on the 320th ECB or the 2nd Armored Division, 17th Armored EB as far as stations are concerned. Nor did I come across any After Action reports. The 5thAD has a great site but no help in my search. I did come across a picture in the Normandy Allies site, url listed below, of a 3rd Platoon Company "C" 3052 ECD taken in Germany on May 8, 1945. One of the men in the picture bears a striking resemblance of my friend. Unfortunately, I am unable to enlarge it without distortion. Is it possible that because he remained in Germany as part of the occupation force that he would have been transferred to another unit? He remained in Germany through mid January 1946. I also searched through the following sites: ENGINEER UNIT REGIMENTAL LINKS: _http://www.armyengineer.com/reglinks.htm#ilike_ (http://www.armyengineer.com/reglinks.htm#ilike) _http://www.normandyallies.org/index.php_ (http://www.normandyallies.org/index.php) No help but everyone should click on "Stories & Remembrances." Would it be worthwhile calling the Office of History, US Army Corps of Engineers in Alexandria VA or contacting for unit operational records since 1939, the Textual Reference Branch, National Archives, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park MD? I also found 2d Engineer Combat Battalion. Reports After Action with the Enemy. Jun-Dec 1944. 36 p. Box 69. Under _http://www.ibiblio.org/_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/) full url is _http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/mil_hist_inst/e /engr3a.asc_ (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/mil_hist_inst/e/engr3a.asc) I'm looking in the wrong places and just don't seem to be able to get to where I want to be. Thank you for all of the suggestions. I'll continue looking. Adrienne

Hi all, I post this to this list occasionally in the hopes that I might contact someone who served with my father. I'd like to contact anyone who may have known my father, Walter MUELLER of Chicago. He was in the Marines from 1939 - 1946 and was involved in the following operations: Paratrooper training at NAS, Lakehurst, NJ. He attained the rank of SSgt. IwoJima campaign 19 FEB 1945 - 27 MAR 1945. Choiseul Island engagement. Occupation of Japan. Guadalcanal, 2d para bn. More details are available for any who may have served with him. My father passed away 22 NOV 1981. See my Father's memorial pages at: http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp?page=registry.asp&subpage=search&drawtable=YES and http://coyote.csusm.edu/public/netnav/semper_fi/taps.htm I have in my possession his military records, including his medals, and some other momentos including his Marine Scrapbook that includes quite a few photos, mostly taken in California. I am in contact with the Paramarine Survivors group. I'm also aware of the following, and post to them occasionally. http://genforum.genealogy.com/wwii/ http://ww2.vet.org/default.asp http://www.historyforums.com/viewforum.php?f=4 http://www.historyforums.com/viewforum.php?f=3 http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/topics.Military.wwii http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=78919038&f=828197221 http://www.veterans.com/ Thanks for any help, all will be appreciated. Tom Mueller tommcclib@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Captain Harold Raymond Kingsmill Bates DSC RN has passed away. His obituary is fascinating stuff. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2006/05/11/db1101.xml Nelson Denton( Who clicked on the wrong world war forum when he sent this out the firsttime LOL!)

Dear Marva Q.2. He could have heard bagpipes when near any Scottish regiment, during the war. My own regiment was the Scots Guards, and we used both bugle and bagpipe calls to mark various events during the day when in camp. And marching to bagpige music has something that no other sort of music can give you. If you can find a piper, ask him to play "Black Bear" for you and you'll get some idea of it. Our 'reveille' was the pipe tune "Hey Johynny Cope" (referring to a well-known figure a few centuries ago), but in Battle School in 1944, during training, instead of "Hey Johnny Cope", we were awakened each morning by "In the Mood"! Q.3. Airborne troops did indeed pack their own 'chutes. They were happier jumping when they did so. Regards Frank

Not solely the Scottish Regiments. Lord Lovat who commanded No.3 Commando recruited his personal Piper, Bill Millin. Wearing the kilt that his father had worn in France during WW1, he piped the commandos aboard at Warsash, and into Normandy, playing "Highland Laddie" as the ramps went down and then marched up and down the beach playing "Road To The Isles". Later, the British 6th Airborne Division at Pegasus Bridge knew that relief was on its way when they heard the pipes. Lovat had ignored an order that there should be no bagpipes at Normandy. The bagpipes were silenced on 10 Jun by a piece shrapnel. Bill Millin played himself in the movie "The Longest Day" David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Phillips" <bphil1@earthlink.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] questions > Just a little Historical Trivia. During WWI, the German Troops called the > Kilted Scotsman "The Ladies from Hell" > This didn't offend the Scots at all. With their great pride in wearing > their Kilts and the fact that they were actually able to surprice the enemy > at the begining of the War. It is my understanding that this nick name > continued into WWII. > Barbara Phillips > > > > [Original Message] > > From: George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/30/2006 3:53:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] questions > > > > I am sorry I cannot help your really as I was in the Royal Air Force in > > WWII and I take it your uncle James was in the American forces. > > > > I can tell you the Bagpipes he heard would have been a British Scottish > > Highland Regiment. The pipes always lead their troops into battle and > > orders could be given by the pipes as were bugles in other regiments. This > > has been a tradition of the Scottish regiments for hundreds of years. > > > > By the way the Scottish Troops don't wear Skirts, the wear Kilts and the > > troops are very proud of their kilts which bear the Tartan pattern of the > > regiment. > > > > Hope you find this of interest and sorry I cannot help further as the were > > many Scottish battalions and it could have been anywhere > > > > > > At 01:18 30/05/2006 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James > > >Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who > > used to > > >pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, > 505 > > >from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. > > >I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the > stories. > > >1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When > > would > > >this have been? > > >2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and > > >troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most > > beautiful > > >sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. > > >3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? > > >4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier > > who > > >couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and > my > > >Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. > > >5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where > would > > >that have been. > > >Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. > > >Marva Stateler > > > > > > > > > > > >==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > > >We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > > you. 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do you have a middle initial? ----- Original Message ----- From: <MStateler@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] questions | | I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James | Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who used to | pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, 505 | from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. | I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the stories. | 1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When would | this have been? | 2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and | troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most beautiful | sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. | 3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? | 4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier who | couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my | Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. | 5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where would | that have been. | Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. | Marva Stateler | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Sites: http://chs82nd.homestead.com/505PIR.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Airborne_Division http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/82abn-3bde.htm http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/505/505.html http://unitpages.military.com/unitpages/unit.do?id=100053 enz enz enz. Greetings Fietje Quaedvlieg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dudley Clist" <dudley.clist@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] questions > Hi Marva > There is much information on the www in relation to your questions. > If you need any help let me know. > > Janice > UK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MStateler@aol.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:18 AM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] questions > > >> >> I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James >> Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who >> used to >> pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, >> 505 >> from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. >> I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the >> stories. >> 1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When >> would >> this have been? >> 2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and >> troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most >> beautiful >> sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. >> 3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? >> 4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier >> who >> couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and >> my >> Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. >> 5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where >> would >> that have been. >> Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. >> Marva Stateler >> >> >> >> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >> We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an >> international list. Please remember to tell us what country your >> ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This >> helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date >> you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Marva There is much information on the www in relation to your questions. If you need any help let me know. Janice UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <MStateler@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] questions > > I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James > Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who > used to > pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, > 505 > from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. > I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the > stories. > 1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When > would > this have been? > 2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and > troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most > beautiful > sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. > 3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? > 4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier > who > couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my > Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. > 5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where > would > that have been. > Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. > Marva Stateler > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Just a little Historical Trivia. During WWI, the German Troops called the Kilted Scotsman "The Ladies from Hell" This didn't offend the Scots at all. With their great pride in wearing their Kilts and the fact that they were actually able to surprice the enemy at the begining of the War. It is my understanding that this nick name continued into WWII. Barbara Phillips > [Original Message] > From: George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/30/2006 3:53:49 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] questions > > I am sorry I cannot help your really as I was in the Royal Air Force in > WWII and I take it your uncle James was in the American forces. > > I can tell you the Bagpipes he heard would have been a British Scottish > Highland Regiment. The pipes always lead their troops into battle and > orders could be given by the pipes as were bugles in other regiments. This > has been a tradition of the Scottish regiments for hundreds of years. > > By the way the Scottish Troops don't wear Skirts, the wear Kilts and the > troops are very proud of their kilts which bear the Tartan pattern of the > regiment. > > Hope you find this of interest and sorry I cannot help further as the were > many Scottish battalions and it could have been anywhere > > > At 01:18 30/05/2006 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > >I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James > >Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who > used to > >pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, 505 > >from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. > >I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the stories. > >1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When > would > >this have been? > >2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and > >troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most > beautiful > >sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. > >3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? > >4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier > who > >couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my > >Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. > >5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where would > >that have been. > >Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. > >Marva Stateler > > > > > > > >==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > >We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I am sorry I cannot help your really as I was in the Royal Air Force in WWII and I take it your uncle James was in the American forces. I can tell you the Bagpipes he heard would have been a British Scottish Highland Regiment. The pipes always lead their troops into battle and orders could be given by the pipes as were bugles in other regiments. This has been a tradition of the Scottish regiments for hundreds of years. By the way the Scottish Troops don't wear Skirts, the wear Kilts and the troops are very proud of their kilts which bear the Tartan pattern of the regiment. Hope you find this of interest and sorry I cannot help further as the were many Scottish battalions and it could have been anywhere At 01:18 30/05/2006 EDT, you wrote: > > >I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James >Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who used to >pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, 505 >from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. >I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the stories. >1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When would >this have been? >2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and >troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most beautiful >sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. >3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? >4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier who >couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my >Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. >5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where would >that have been. >Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. >Marva Stateler > > > >==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006

Marva, The 82nd Airborne Division never was under the direct control of General Patton in the European Theater (June 1944- May-1945). I can only think of two possiblities. 1) The 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment-PIR did assault Gela, Sicily in July, 1943 in the MTO under the command of Patton while his was over the 7th U.S. Army. So I suppose the meeting could have happened. It is important to note that Patton entered the Sicilian city of Messina ahead of the British 8th Army. Whether there was a race between Patton and Montgomery to do this, is disputed to this day but it is very likely that there would have been an impromptu parade of sorts in which Scottish troops may have participated, and played the bagpipes. 2) The 505th was dispatched to stem the German advance during the Battle of the Bulge, and even though Patton did rescue the surrounded troops at Bastogne, this were troops of the 101st Airborne Division and not near the 82nd which was farther to the northeast of St. Vith. A meeting was unlikely but perhaps his comment was a general statement about the end result of the Bulge battle and not a literal meeting. I believe the 2nd is more likely, simply because of the overwhelming popularity of Patton at the end of the war and to this day, many boast as having served under him. The concentration that was liberated by the 82nd Airborne Division on May 2-3, 1945 was a subcamp (outer ring) of Woebbelin or Wobbelin (spelling varies) called Nuengamme. _http://www.woebbelin.de/survivors/_ (http://www.woebbelin.de/survivors/) Rick

Adrienne, The information you have regarding two different units is not conflicting. In fact, transfers of personnel between units was very common. In a previous post I told you that the 320th Engineer Battalion was an organic (permanent) unit of the 95th Infantry Division. The other assignment you mention is the 17th Armored Engineer Battalion, which was organic to the 2nd Armored Division. The question is: In what order was he assigned to them? The following information will help you piece together the puzzle. 95th Infantry Division- Left the U.S. from Boston port of embarkation on August 10th, 1944 and arrived in England August 17th, 1944.( I doubt his trip across took 4 days, the norm was about 7-12 days depending on variables.) The division was transported to and staged in vicinity of Winchester, Hampshire, England until sent to France on Sept. 15th, 1944. Upon arrival the 95th Division was assigned to it's next higher unit (XIII Corps and next higher Ninth U.S. Army). Any station list you should attempt to request will be for 95th division, XIII Corps and U.S. Ninth Army for August 1944 only. The division as a whole was in the vicinity of Winchester but the station list may give you more a specific town or village in which the 320th Engineer Battalion was housed. 2nd Armored Division- Left U.S. from New York port of embarkation on December 11th, 1942 and arrived North Africa on December 25th, 1942 (less a few units that went ashore during the invasion in November). Assaulted island of Sicily on July 10, 1943 and departed November 12th. Arrived in England November 25th, 1943. The 2nd Armored was transported to and staged in the vicinity Tidworth, Wiltshire, England until it was sent to France on June 7-9th, 1944. The station list for August is much tougher because the 2nd Armored was moved from several Corps during this time (VII, XIX, V, XV) but always under U.S. First Army. Again, station lists will possibly give you a more specific town or village which housed the 17th Armored Engineer Battalion near Tidworth. I believe the scenario of him being in the 95th Infantry first and later transferred to the 2nd Armored fits your description better, but I would of course validate it if possible. I hope this helps. Rick

you always pack your own parachute, nobody would leave that to anybody, as if it failed, then its your fault. The 82nd airborne either is out of Robins or Ft. Benning, the bagpipes may of been parading behind the troops after the war was over. send me what state he entered the service, if he has a middle initial and age, maybe I can find the camp he ws in. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: <MStateler@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] questions | | I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James | Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who used to | pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, 505 | from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. | I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the stories. | 1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When would | this have been? | 2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and | troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most beautiful | sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. | 3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? | 4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier who | couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my | Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. | 5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where would | that have been. | Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. | Marva Stateler | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

I have questions that I can't find an answer to. When my Uncle, James Coleman, 82nd Airborne, 505 came home from WWII, I was a little girl who used to pretend sleep and listen to he and my Father talk. He was in the 82nd, 505 from the beginning to when got shot in Holland. I remember parts of stories and can't seem to find the rest of the stories. 1. He spoke of Patton and how they met up with him for a while. When would this have been? 2. He spoke of hearing bagpipes and saw these guys with skirts on and troops following them with weapons and he thought that was the most beautiful sound he ever heard. Where would that have been. 3. He spoke of always packing his own parachute. Is that possible? 4. He lost his eye in Holland and spoke of running into another soldier who couldn't walk and he couldn't see so the other soldier saw for him and my Uncle helped him walk back to their lines. 5. He spoke about a concentration camp and how awful it was. Where would that have been. Anybody got any ideas. Thanks for any help you may have. Marva Stateler