not sure about branch, US probably Army, as there was an Army Honorable Discharge pin, also know as The Ruptured Duck in the lot. Was the Discharge pin given only after WWII? Sherry

In that time period it was Marseille and LeHarve POE for continental Europe. BrereHaven was Equipment. The US Army closed Marseille on 31 Dec 45 for troop departures. I was in that area and shipped home by way of LeHarve in Frb. 46. Paul Hinkle WW2 US Vet INZP@aol.com wrote: On the Enlisted Record and Report of Separation the date of departure is listed as 19 January '46 Destination USA and date of arrival as 5 February '46. It does not give the port of embarkation. So my first question is if someone is part of the occupying force in Germany, from what port would he leave? Secondly, the time between embarkation and arrival in the states seems quite long compared to other troop ship voyage times. I have found no troop ship to match these dates. I was told by my friend that the ship was quite old and the weather was not good but he did not mention pulling into another port on the way home. Would anyone be able to give me an explanation for a voyage that lasted 18 days?? Could this be a typo? Thank you, Adrienne Inman ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Yahoo is my non-personal mail. For personal mail only use <pdhinkle@radiotower.net> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On the Enlisted Record and Report of Separation the date of departure is listed as 19 January '46 Destination USA and date of arrival as 5 February '46. It does not give the port of embarkation. So my first question is if someone is part of the occupying force in Germany, from what port would he leave? Secondly, the time between embarkation and arrival in the states seems quite long compared to other troop ship voyage times. I have found no troop ship to match these dates. I was told by my friend that the ship was quite old and the weather was not good but he did not mention pulling into another port on the way home. Would anyone be able to give me an explanation for a voyage that lasted 18 days?? Could this be a typo? Thank you, Adrienne Inman

today I bought a box of loose jewelry which contained some military items. An Honorable Discharge pin and a gold star pin with a single bar or a 1 on it, I am thinking it is a bar. Blue background. Does anyone know what the star pin is about. Sherry

Thank you Paul.

what branch? time frame MrsTroupe@aol.com wrote: today I bought a box of loose jewelry which contained some military items. An Honorable Discharge pin and a gold star pin with a single bar or a 1 on it, I am thinking it is a bar. Blue background. Does anyone know what the star pin is about. Sherry ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Sherry, I found a great website of WWII Awards And it has pictures. http://www.ww2awards.com/search.asp?action=search > [Original Message] > From: <MrsTroupe@aol.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/4/2006 4:12:38 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] insignia identification question > > today I bought a box of loose jewelry which contained some military items. > An Honorable Discharge pin and a gold star pin with a single bar or a 1 on > it, I am thinking it is a bar. Blue background. Does anyone know what the star > pin is about. > Sherry > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

The stars are service awards, for horoism or valor. What color is the star? Barbara Phillips > [Original Message] > From: <MrsTroupe@aol.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/4/2006 4:12:38 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] insignia identification question > > today I bought a box of loose jewelry which contained some military items. > An Honorable Discharge pin and a gold star pin with a single bar or a 1 on > it, I am thinking it is a bar. Blue background. Does anyone know what the star > pin is about. > Sherry > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

The Form 20 is 8"x10 1/2" and was never in an envelope and was never rolled . Across the bottom on the reverse side is, "IMPORTANT--UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL THIS CARD BE FOLDED, ROLLED, OR CREASED". The reason being that to do so would interfere with the sorting when searching for a specifically trained/qualified/educated individual. All four sides of the card contained small holes about 1/8" in diameter broken done into blocks for certain types of information. The upper right corner of the form was cut at a 45 degree angle while the other three were 90 degree. There were captioned blocks for various information. Each hole had either a number or an alpha designator below it to register the information. For example, the first block in the upper left corner was "MAR. ST. (Martial Status) and contained two holes numbered 39 for DEP. (dependent) and 38 for MRD. (married). The second block #10 was CORPS AREA OF ENLISTMENT OR INDUCTION and contained 9 holes, numbered from left to right 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 9. Coding was done with a punch which cut a V shape over the appropriate hole thus eliminating the straight edge of the Form. In my case, neither 38 nor 39 was punched because I was single. In the block #10, #3 hole was punched since I was inducted in the Third Service Command Area. To pull out someone with specific training/qualification/education etc. an instrument called a needle was used. It was a rod about 1/8" in diameter and about 12" long with a wooden handle and looked much like a screwdriver. To look for someone who entered Service from 3rd Service Command, the rod (needle) was inserted in the #3 hole in block #10 of a stack of Forms. Using the needle, the stack of Forms was raised and low and behold all the 3's fell out since that hole had been punched out. The system was the McBee Keysort, covered under U.S. Pat No.1.213.607. For its history and more detailed information, Google McBee Keysort. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Since it is Military Police CID was Criminal Investigation Divison so a section unde it would be CIS ! Paul HInkle Hhunterg@cs.com wrote: What does the acronym "CIS" mean, as used in the context 31st MP CIS? ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Yahoo is my non-personal mail. For personal mail only use <pdhinkle@radiotower.net> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Some of those punch cards are what they are using to try and get back some of the info that was in the fire in St Louis, it is NARA that is doing this in D.C. I didn't know they were that big, I thought they were about 8" long and about 5" - about the size of a letter size envelope - you used to wrap them around a "thing" and then key punch info and it appearred as little holes in the card, then they had to interprete what they meant.To bad you can't get that entire envelope, you would really have the story of someones military career. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellis Hosbach" <ewh@adelphia.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Questions re Discharge Papers for U.S. Army | Marva, to my knowledge, an individual Service Record, in its entirety, does | not exist. It was a 24 page tan booklet which fit into a tan envelope | (Form No. 208) about the size of a current day business envelope. All | information pertaining to the individual from "Induction" to "Final | Endorsement" (Discharge) was recorded in the Service Record. There was a | companion, W.D.A.G.O. Form 20, February 1, 1942, "Soldier's Qualification | Card", which, among other things, listed, in Section 28, "RECORD OF CURRENT | SERVICE", THE DATE, ORGANIZATION, GRADE, PRINCIPAL DUTY AND MOS (military | occupation specialty) of each change of duty station and promotion | pertaining to the individual. This was an 8 1/2 x 11 two sided form which | was punched (coded) much like the key punch system which came later. To my | knowledge, these forms for the individual do not exist. I have both my | Service Record and Form 20, only because I was the custodian of these Forms | for my entire Unit and made "True Copies" of mine before leaving the | Service. | Ellis Hosbach | Bethel Park, PA | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. | Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx |

Adrienne, I cannot say that only a custodian (clerk) would have copy of the S/R or Form 20. I do not know what happened to those Forms after Discharge. Perhaps Rick could explain. As to Company C, there could be a reason. It may have had a type Gun on which he was trained. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Ellis Thank you for answering my questions regarding discharge papers. And thank you for explaining W.D.A.G.O. Form 20, February 1, 1942, "Soldier's Qualification Card", which, among other things, listed, in Section 28, "RECORD OF CURRENT SERVICE", THE DATE, ORGANIZATION, GRADE, PRINCIPAL DUTY AND MOS (military occupation specialty) of each change of duty station and promotion pertaining to the individual. From what you wrote only the custodian of that form would have had a copy. Is that correct? Also, is it just a coincidence that he was always Company C? Thank you for the thorough explanation. Adrienne

Mr. Hosbach: Thank you for the information. I wish those cards were in existence, it would make tracing a soldier so much easier. Marva

Marva, to my knowledge, an individual Service Record, in its entirety, does not exist. It was a 24 page tan booklet which fit into a tan envelope (Form No. 208) about the size of a current day business envelope. All information pertaining to the individual from "Induction" to "Final Endorsement" (Discharge) was recorded in the Service Record. There was a companion, W.D.A.G.O. Form 20, February 1, 1942, "Soldier's Qualification Card", which, among other things, listed, in Section 28, "RECORD OF CURRENT SERVICE", THE DATE, ORGANIZATION, GRADE, PRINCIPAL DUTY AND MOS (military occupation specialty) of each change of duty station and promotion pertaining to the individual. This was an 8 1/2 x 11 two sided form which was punched (coded) much like the key punch system which came later. To my knowledge, these forms for the individual do not exist. I have both my Service Record and Form 20, only because I was the custodian of these Forms for my entire Unit and made "True Copies" of mine before leaving the Service. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Mr. Hosbach: How do you get the Service Record. At our Court House all i got was a one sided page of his discharge? Marva

Adrienne, he was sworn in 27 Mar 43 and ordered to report for Active Duty 2 Apr 43. During that 7 day period he was ERC. The Honorable Discharge shows the last Unit in which he served. Page 5 of Service Record, W.D.A.G.O. Form 24, March 1, 1941 shows, under "ORIGINAL ASSIGNMENT AND ORGANIZATIONS TO WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY ASSIGNED DURING THIS ENLISTMENT PERIOD, would show his other units. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Could someone explain what the following means: ERC Time from 27 Mar 43 to 2 Apr 43 I know that ERC means Enlisted Reserve Corps but why the short time span? Why would discharge papers only list CO C 17th Armd Engr BN and not the 320th Engrs Co C in the 95th Infantry Div. Or the very first assignment when at Camp Rucker which was the 298th Engineers, Co C. Do discharge papers just list the last assignment? If someone is assigned to a particular Company such as "C" does that mean that wherever that person is assigned he is always with Company "C"? If battles and campaigns are listed as Northern France, Rhineland and Central Europe does that include Belgium and Holland? Thank you. Adrienne Inman

Hi List, I know that this is a bit off topic for this list but this is the only resource that comes to mind. A relative is seeking William Calvin SHEFF from Chicago Illinois who was at RAF Sculthorpe, Norfolk, UK in the early 1950's, he will be in his seventies now. I would think that he was in the USAAF or was it USAF by then. If anyone can point me in the right direction it will be most appreciated. Please take this off list as it is not WW2 related, my address is prbvtb@btinternet.com Many thanks. Pete Barker UK