Member of the British Parliament called men fighting for their lives in Italy and Burma etc ' D Day Dodgers ' in other words trying to avoid being at D Day. In the word of the song http://www.warlinks.com/jackcull/ddodgers.htm Most still lie there. Aye MalcolmII -----Original Message----- From: Theholigrail@aol.com [mailto:Theholigrail@aol.com] Sent: 06 June 2006 21:05 To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] items of interest I may sound stupid. But whats a d-day doger? Jo Ann ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Jo Ann, your kind words are much appreciated. We did what we were told to do, when we were told to do it and the thought of a demonstration or other show of resistance against authority was unheard of. Ellis Hosbach

Hi List: Interested to know what the function of the Toggalier was. Keith Kendal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] FYI - 'A Lady Made it to Sweeden' > > > The 25th of august 1944. A B17-G with serialnumber 42-98018, was on > its way to bomb the german facillities in Peenemunde. The plane was > commanded by 2nd Lt. Donald K. Gross and was part of the 750th Squadron > 457th Bomb Group stationed at Glatton England. Like many other planes this > ship had a nickname - Lady Kathrine. > > > > Shortly after the bomb run the plane was hit badly by FLAK in the left > wing. With a large hole in the wing and the left flap partly blown away, the > ship headed for Sweden. Because of the extensive damage to the plane it was > decided that an emergency landing was out of the question. Therefore the > crew bailed out and "Lady Katherine" made its final plunge to the ground > near Ovad just outside Ljungbyhed. > > One man in the crew sustained minor injury during bailout. The 9 crew > members were interned in Sweden > > > > > > Identification and other information > > Type: B17-G > Serialnumber: 42-98018 VE > Bombgroup & SQ: 457th, 750th > Callsign: /O > Crew: Pilot Lt Donal K. Goss, Copilot Lt Phil B. Andreau, > Navigator Lt Gerhardt Hoelzel, Toggalier Sgt William H. Sololowski, Aircraft > Engineer Sgt Peter G. Stern, Radio Operator Sgt Henry M. Githens, Left Waist > Gunner Sgt Ruben I. Hernandez, Ball Turret Gunner Sgt Charles E. Gentile, > Tail Gunner Sgt John A. Roe Jr > Date of loss: 25th of august 1944 > Target: Peenemunde > Outcome: Total crash, crew safe one injured > > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Listers This is an appropriate day to post some information that I have collected over the past year or so. It concerns the collision and crashing of two USAAF Bombers in the county of Kent, England. The two aircraft in question were:- Martin B26 Marauder Serial No 4296263 Code 5W-S 394 BG 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham Pilot Lt W. KLINE Jr Time 05.10 hrs Date 06 Jun 1944 Crashed at Corporation Road, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid Reference if required) Martin B26 Marauder Serial No 4296050 Code 5W-L 394 BG 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham, Essex, England Pilot 1st Lt W. BURGER Time 05.00 - 05.10 hrs Date 06 JUN 1944 Crashed at East Court Farm, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid Reference if required) I have no information on which plane collided with which, but I suspect that it is academic in any case. Nor do I have any information on where the collision occured, but I am told that the plane that crashed at East Court Farm passed over a particular house just seconds before the crash; this is to the northeast of the crash site, so the plane was likely to have been on a generally southwesterly heading at the end. Both aircraft were returning from an attack on gun positions at St Martin de Varreville. The crews involved were:- 1st Lt Warren D. RODGERS ( Riverside, Calif.) 2nd Lt Emil F. OSTROWSKI ( Belleville, N. York) T/Sgt Edward H. MONAGHAN (Rochester, N. York S/Sgt George S. KNIGHT ( Jacksonville, Illinois) S/Sgt Raymond SABLATURA S/Sgt James BECHTLER S/Sgt Joseph AMATO Sgt Alfred M. ZUSSA ( Chicago, Illinois) Sgt Boris R. SELIMSKI ( New York) CFL Forrest W. PAFENBERG ( Norman, Indiana) It is not presently known which of the above were in which aircraft, however; if there is anyone out there who does know, I would be grateful if they would post it. All these details have been given to me by the Kent Aviation Historical Research Society (KAHRS) and it is essential that this Society is given due credit, particularly if the information is published in any form. KAHRS would love to have photos of these aircraft and/or crews. Incidentally, the explosion of the aircraft that crashed at East Court Farm blew in the windows of our house and showered me with glass; all us kids enjoyed collecting debris from the crash, including live ammunition upon which we expended a great deal of time trying to detonate - I write this today because we failed! Remember these brave people and their peers; we owe them all a great deal. John in Chard, Somerset, England -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006

In a message dated 6/6/2006 5:16:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fergussons@blueyonder.co.uk writes: http://www.warlinks.com/jackcull/ddodgers.htm Thanks for the info............These little stories that my generation doesn't know are wonderful to hear. The proud child of one of the 397th AAA Jo Ann

And anyone should be humbled to be the presence of a WWII vet today and everyday for that matter. People should stop and think what this world could have been like if it wasn't for the sacrifices of all these men and women. My heart is heavy today thinking of all the loss of life and pain humanity suffered this day. And I am thankful to all of you. Ellis to you and all the other my heartfelt thanks. In the Eyes of Men At boot camp they were wild and full of Fun. Getting ready for job to be done. In the Eyes of Men they were just young. Crossing the Atlantic, they were sea sick and raising some hell. Hoping to come home with wild stories to tell. In the Eyes of men they were just kids. June 6, the men were made ready, That puddle jump made it hard to keep their guns steady. In the Eyes of Men, we feared for their lives. The sounds and the smells, the death and the screams............ It was nothing you could imagine in your wildest dreams. In the Eyes of Men, we saw heart break and anger. A different breed of human, this thing we man. No one does this and gets a slap on the hand. In the Eyes of Men, we saw bravery and courage. With God on our side, and angels at their heels, Some were now in heaven getting their meals. In the Eyes of Men, we saw sorrow and tears. Over that dam wall, and its all for one, Our boys became men, There's a war to be won. In the Eyes of Men, they were All Our Heros. Some sixty years later, some tales are still tall, Unfortunately, the units have now gotten small. In the Eyes of Men, we salute to many for the last time each day. In the Eyes of Men, May we never Forget The Greatest Generation We've Ever Met. Jo Ann

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http://user.tninet.se/~vwu458u/american/american.htm This link is better because you can pull up each one and see also the photos - let me find the link, as none of them came with the photos that were with them -I don't know what that position did - "The duties of a togglier were to fly missions in the bombardier's position in the nose of a B-26. When the flight leader with an Officer Bombardier aboard..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendal" <kendal@telkomsa.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] FYI - 'A Lady Made it to Sweeden' | Hi List: | Interested to know what the function of the Toggalier was. | Keith Kendal | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:47 PM | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] FYI - 'A Lady Made it to Sweeden' | | | > | > | > The 25th of august 1944. A B17-G with serialnumber 42-98018, was on | > its way to bomb the german facillities in Peenemunde. The plane was | > commanded by 2nd Lt. Donald K. Gross and was part of the 750th Squadron | > 457th Bomb Group stationed at Glatton England. Like many other planes this | > ship had a nickname - Lady Kathrine. | > | > | > | > Shortly after the bomb run the plane was hit badly by FLAK in the | left | > wing. With a large hole in the wing and the left flap partly blown away, | the | > ship headed for Sweden. Because of the extensive damage to the plane it | was | > decided that an emergency landing was out of the question. Therefore the | > crew bailed out and "Lady Katherine" made its final plunge to the ground | > near Ovad just outside Ljungbyhed. | > | > One man in the crew sustained minor injury during bailout. The 9 | crew | > members were interned in Sweden | > | > | > | > | > | > Identification and other information | > | > Type: B17-G | > Serialnumber: 42-98018 VE | > Bombgroup & SQ: 457th, 750th | > Callsign: /O | > Crew: Pilot Lt Donal K. Goss, Copilot Lt Phil B. Andreau, | > Navigator Lt Gerhardt Hoelzel, Toggalier Sgt William H. Sololowski, | Aircraft | > Engineer Sgt Peter G. Stern, Radio Operator Sgt Henry M. Githens, Left | Waist | > Gunner Sgt Ruben I. Hernandez, Ball Turret Gunner Sgt Charles E. Gentile, | > Tail Gunner Sgt John A. Roe Jr | > Date of loss: 25th of august 1944 | > Target: Peenemunde | > Outcome: Total crash, crew safe one injured | > | > | > | > | > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an | international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor | was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help | you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring | to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | > ============================== | > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx | > | > | > | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 |

96263 (394th BG, 587th BS) collided in bad weather with 42-96263, both crashed ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor" <johnataylor@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] LEST WE FORGET - June 6, 1944 | Hi Listers | | This is an appropriate day to post some information that I have collected | over the past year or so. It concerns the collision and crashing of two | USAAF Bombers in the county of Kent, England. | | | The two aircraft in question were:- | | Martin B26 Marauder | Serial No 4296263 | Code 5W-S | 394 BG | 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham | Pilot Lt W. KLINE Jr | Time 05.10 hrs | Date 06 Jun 1944 | Crashed at Corporation Road, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid | Reference if required) | | | Martin B26 Marauder | Serial No 4296050 | Code 5W-L | 394 BG | 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham, Essex, England | Pilot 1st Lt W. BURGER | Time 05.00 - 05.10 hrs | Date 06 JUN 1944 | Crashed at East Court Farm, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid | Reference if required) | | I have no information on which plane collided with which, but I suspect that | it is academic in any case. Nor do I have any information on where the | collision occured, but I am told that the plane that crashed at East Court | Farm passed over a particular house just seconds before the crash; this is | to the northeast of the crash site, so the plane was likely to have been on | a generally southwesterly heading at the end. | | Both aircraft were returning from an attack on gun positions at St Martin de | Varreville. | | The crews involved were:- | | 1st Lt Warren D. RODGERS ( Riverside, Calif.) | 2nd Lt Emil F. OSTROWSKI ( Belleville, N. York) | T/Sgt Edward H. MONAGHAN (Rochester, N. York | S/Sgt George S. KNIGHT ( Jacksonville, Illinois) | S/Sgt Raymond SABLATURA | S/Sgt James BECHTLER | S/Sgt Joseph AMATO | Sgt Alfred M. ZUSSA ( Chicago, Illinois) | Sgt Boris R. SELIMSKI ( New York) | CFL Forrest W. PAFENBERG ( Norman, Indiana) | | It is not presently known which of the above were in which aircraft, | however; if there is anyone out there who does know, I would be grateful if | they would post it. | | All these details have been given to me by the Kent Aviation Historical | Research Society (KAHRS) and it is essential that this Society is given due | credit, particularly if the information is published in any form. | | KAHRS would love to have photos of these aircraft and/or crews. | | Incidentally, the explosion of the aircraft that crashed at East Court Farm | blew in the windows of our house and showered me with glass; all us kids | enjoyed collecting debris from the crash, including live ammunition upon | which we expended a great deal of time trying to detonate - I write this | today because we failed! | | Remember these brave people and their peers; we owe them all a great deal. | | John | | in Chard, Somerset, England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx |

I may sound stupid. But whats a d-day doger? Jo Ann

Our Uncle, James M. Coleman;s, (82nd Airborne, 505.) birthday was on June 7. This is from a letter he wrote home about his birthday and DDay. "It was my thirteenth jump, (counting practice and 2 previous combat jumps), and I thought the Germans really had me this time but it wasn't my unlucky number after all. If anyone had told me how I would celebrate my 22nd birthday I wouldn't have believed it. The Jerry's really threw me a party but it cost them like h___. My thanks to everyone who prayed for me because it was something more than luck that saved me on several occasions. He went from Normandy to the hospital with his 2nd attack of malaria. Marva & Geri Stateler

Hello. Write to: French Army Archives Archive name (English) French Army Archives Archive name (native) Service historique de l'Armée de Terre Country France Address Service historique de l'armée de terre Château de Vincennes BP 107 00481 ARMÉES Organization affiliation Ministry of Defence Website www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/orga/orga_gds_serv/rattaches/shat/shat_ie.html E-mail contact@shat.terre.defense.gouv.fr Telephone +33 1 41 93 20 95 Fax +33 1 41 93 20 10 ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy lewis" <judyale@yahoo.co.uk> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] French WW2 vet > Can anyone assist me in locating the family of MIREILLE MIGNOT, CONDE DE > 2CL, BORN 30 10 24. > > I have located some papers amongst family papers for this lady and wold > like to return them to her family. There are numerous pictures and a > letter in french within a leather holder. I believe my relative (US Army) > and this lady may have served together in Algers. There is also a photo > of Alfred George Giron, 6504 HQ Sq FCA APO 650 inside > > Any help or leads on where to go would be appreciated. > Judy (Hamilton) Lewis-Ellison > > > --------------------------------- > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! > Mail. > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Sherry and Carol have said it all. I'd also like to add that the survivors of that day and that war have my prayers and gratitude. May we always remember the sacrifices made by these young men and women.....and their families. Adrienne Inman

Can anyone assist me in locating the family of MIREILLE MIGNOT, CONDE DE 2CL, BORN 30 10 24. I have located some papers amongst family papers for this lady and wold like to return them to her family. There are numerous pictures and a letter in french within a leather holder. I believe my relative (US Army) and this lady may have served together in Algers. There is also a photo of Alfred George Giron, 6504 HQ Sq FCA APO 650 inside Any help or leads on where to go would be appreciated. Judy (Hamilton) Lewis-Ellison --------------------------------- Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail.

Many thanks to all the heroes who stormed the beach that day. I said a prayer at dawn for all the brave men who gave their lives that day. Sherry

Sixty-Two years ago today was D-Day, when the German Atlantic Wall was breached in the first phase of the invasion and liberation of the continent. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Thank you for the reminder to those of us who tend to let these events slip our mind. My dad (now deceased) always remembered and reminded his family of the day and the greatest sacrafice made by those that day. My prayers and thanks go to those who fell that day. Thank you Carol Ridings Ellis Hosbach <ewh@adelphia.net> wrote: Sixty-Two years ago today was D-Day, when the German Atlantic Wall was breached in the first phase of the invasion and liberation of the continent. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The 25th of august 1944. A B17-G with serialnumber 42-98018, was on its way to bomb the german facillities in Peenemunde. The plane was commanded by 2nd Lt. Donald K. Gross and was part of the 750th Squadron 457th Bomb Group stationed at Glatton England. Like many other planes this ship had a nickname - Lady Kathrine. Shortly after the bomb run the plane was hit badly by FLAK in the left wing. With a large hole in the wing and the left flap partly blown away, the ship headed for Sweden. Because of the extensive damage to the plane it was decided that an emergency landing was out of the question. Therefore the crew bailed out and "Lady Katherine" made its final plunge to the ground near Ovad just outside Ljungbyhed. One man in the crew sustained minor injury during bailout. The 9 crew members were interned in Sweden Identification and other information Type: B17-G Serialnumber: 42-98018 VE Bombgroup & SQ: 457th, 750th Callsign: /O Crew: Pilot Lt Donal K. Goss, Copilot Lt Phil B. Andreau, Navigator Lt Gerhardt Hoelzel, Toggalier Sgt William H. Sololowski, Aircraft Engineer Sgt Peter G. Stern, Radio Operator Sgt Henry M. Githens, Left Waist Gunner Sgt Ruben I. Hernandez, Ball Turret Gunner Sgt Charles E. Gentile, Tail Gunner Sgt John A. Roe Jr Date of loss: 25th of august 1944 Target: Peenemunde Outcome: Total crash, crew safe one injured

The 6th of August 1944, B17-G #44-6020 "Underground Farmer" from the 381st bombgroup were dispatched on, what would become, it´s last mission. Target that day was Brandenburg in Germany. The ship was piloted by Allen Webb with crew. Enroute to target "Underground Farmer" suffered a runaway prop on #2 engine and had no choice but leave the formation. They headed for Sweden but intense flak over the city of Lubeck, near the Baltic Sea, forced the crew to bailout. S/Sgt Jack Patrick was killed & the eight survivors were captured. Identification and other information Type: B17-G Serialnumber: 44-6020 Bomb Group & SQ: 381st BG, "unknown SQ" Callsign: "unknown" Crew: Pilot 1st Lt. Allen W. Webb, Copilot 2nd Lt. John W. Hayes, Navigator 2nd Lt. Earle S. Grossnickle, Bombardier 2nd Lt. George Gomez, S/Sgt. Ralph K. Murkin, T/Sgt. Landon S. Grisham, S/Sgt. William C. Burt, S/Sgt. Adolph M. Gonzales, S/Sgt. Jack S. Patrick (K.I.A.) Date of loss: 6th of August 1944 Target: Brandenburg Outcome: Crash near Lubeck. Crew P.O.W. One K.I.A. (S/Sgt Jack Patrick) ----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think most people would be interested in anything related to WW2. Often I find information that was posted years ago about something I never found to be of interest suddenly fills in a gap that I have just recently found. If only 1 in 30 posts has something of great interest to me I still find that a great stroke of luck. Nelson Denton A Son of a D-Day Dodger and DAMNED proud of it.