do you know which medals ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site | Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) | for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal | awards and pictures. | | | | Thanks for any help. | | | | George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx |

This is an International List...So which country ? > > From: "nell lamantia" <nellie@woh.rr.com> > Date: 2006/06/24 Sat AM 08:44:04 GMT+12:00 > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] wwII medals > > Is there a place where I can find out what medals were awarded to my uncle > in WWII??? > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

A place to start - http://members.aol.com/Custermen85/Units/Divisions.htm --- DarylAnnsDesk@aol.com wrote: > I have several patches that were on or for my dad's > uniforms. Is there > anyplace I can find out their significance? I have > scanned them and can send them > to anyone who wants to take a look. > > Daryl Ann > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell > the list what country your ancestor is from. This > helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates > please help us understand the date you are referring > to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about > your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the > last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Below is a great site for the John Paul Jones Crypt. http://www.ussbhr.org/Bon_Homme.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: ""Pat Reeder"" <pareeder@tc3net.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > I have been to Annapolis and have seen this crypt, went into the chapel and > it was a beautiful place. > delilah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Reeder" <pareeder@tc3net.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > > > | Yes, you can! And "thank you" for everyones kind words! > | Pat in Michigan > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:22 PM > | Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > | > | > | > May I send this to the US NAVY list and if I can find his ship he served > | on, > | > may I send it to their site, if they have one. > | > All of American is thankfull for his service, I am sorry for your loss > and > | > thankful for the freedom he helped me to have. > | > delilah evans > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Pat Reeder" <pareeder@tc3net.com> > | > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > | > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:26 PM > | > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > | > > | > > | > | My father-in-law, Richard E. Reeder age 79, passed away 6-16-06 in > | > Jackson, Mi.. He was Born in Dayton, Ohio. He was a U.S. Navy World War > II > | > veteran. He served his Country from Sept. 1943-1946. Serial # 723 51 40, > | > Division "D", Rate S1. He might not of been able to remember what his > | > grandkids names were or where he put things, but he sure could recall > his > | > Navy days and dates. He was a merchant marine. He took his training at > | the > | > Naval Training Center, Great Lks., Ill.and Camp Elliot of Can Diego, > | Cali.. > | > He was on the USS Braxton (APA 138) and Montgomery County (LST 1041). > | > Richard was gaurd over John Paul Jones Crypt. The later part he was in > the > | > Pacific Ocean on many of the Islands. He was a fighter to the end! He'll > | be > | > missed from everyone that met him. To send condolences, visit > | > www.eaglefuneralhomes.com. > | > | > | > | Pat in Michigan > | > | > | > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns > | about > | > a virus, contact your list admin or join > VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com > | > subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please > | > remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country > | you > | > are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates > please > | > help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov > | 1944 > | > or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | > | > | ============================== > | > | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > | > | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > | > | > | > > | > > | > > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > | international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > | was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > | you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring > | to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > > | > ============================== > | > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors > | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > | > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > | rgetid=5429 > | > > | > > | > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > | > > >

Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal awards and pictures. Thanks for any help. George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006

Is there a place where I can find out what medals were awarded to my uncle in WWII???

It depends on which branch of the service. But, I wrote to the department of the Army since my Dad was in the Army Air Corp. It took six months, but, I have all of them. http://www.army.mil/ Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: nell lamantia <nellie@woh.rr.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/23/2006 1:45:19 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] wwII medals > > Is there a place where I can find out what medals were awarded to my uncle > in WWII??? > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Thanks John, Great Sources. Regards, Dave John Wilson wrote: > Hi All: > > The Australians (Eric Nave), British (John Tiltman) & the Dutch (in > the Netherlands East Indies) were also intercepting and decoding > Japanese messages pre-WWII, see "The Emperor's Codes" by > Michael Smith, and these articles (below) from Australia and on John > Tiltman. Unfortunately the official histories of the British GC&CS > (Bletchley Park) by Hinsley etc do not cover the Japanese (Far East): > > http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j35/straczek.htm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tiltman > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3926/is_200310/ai_n9311691/pg_5 > > The US Navy tended to be tightfisted with their codebreaking work, > both with the US Army (part of the problem pre-Pearl Harbour) and > with the British. > > Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > > >> Actually in the early 1930's the US Navy was the only source of >> > intercepted > >> traffic from the Japanese, the US Army, in the 1930's, also got interested >> in crytoanalysis, In 1930 after the collapse of Yardley's New York "Black >> Chamber", William F. Friedman was given the task of creating an Army >> cryptologic capability in the office of the Chief Signal Officer, he >> > started > >> with 4 civilian students - Frank Rowlett, Solomon Kullback, Abraham Sinkov >> and John Hurt, their training lead to the compilation of War Department >> codes and ciphers and the solution of foreign military and diplomatic >> codes and ciphers. >> You can go to the NSA web site and read about the history of cryptology. >> >> > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > >

Hi All: The Australians (Eric Nave), British (John Tiltman) & the Dutch (in the Netherlands East Indies) were also intercepting and decoding Japanese messages pre-WWII, see "The Emperor's Codes" by Michael Smith, and these articles (below) from Australia and on John Tiltman. Unfortunately the official histories of the British GC&CS (Bletchley Park) by Hinsley etc do not cover the Japanese (Far East): http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j35/straczek.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tiltman http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3926/is_200310/ai_n9311691/pg_5 The US Navy tended to be tightfisted with their codebreaking work, both with the US Army (part of the problem pre-Pearl Harbour) and with the British. Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > Actually in the early 1930's the US Navy was the only source of intercepted > traffic from the Japanese, the US Army, in the 1930's, also got interested > in crytoanalysis, In 1930 after the collapse of Yardley's New York "Black > Chamber", William F. Friedman was given the task of creating an Army > cryptologic capability in the office of the Chief Signal Officer, he started > with 4 civilian students - Frank Rowlett, Solomon Kullback, Abraham Sinkov > and John Hurt, their training lead to the compilation of War Department > codes and ciphers and the solution of foreign military and diplomatic > codes and ciphers. > You can go to the NSA web site and read about the history of cryptology. >

Yes, you can! And "thank you" for everyones kind words! Pat in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > May I send this to the US NAVY list and if I can find his ship he served on, > may I send it to their site, if they have one. > All of American is thankfull for his service, I am sorry for your loss and > thankful for the freedom he helped me to have. > delilah evans > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Reeder" <pareeder@tc3net.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:26 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WWII Death > > > | My father-in-law, Richard E. Reeder age 79, passed away 6-16-06 in > Jackson, Mi.. He was Born in Dayton, Ohio. He was a U.S. Navy World War II > veteran. He served his Country from Sept. 1943-1946. Serial # 723 51 40, > Division "D", Rate S1. He might not of been able to remember what his > grandkids names were or where he put things, but he sure could recall his > Navy days and dates. He was a merchant marine. He took his training at the > Naval Training Center, Great Lks., Ill.and Camp Elliot of Can Diego, Cali.. > He was on the USS Braxton (APA 138) and Montgomery County (LST 1041). > Richard was gaurd over John Paul Jones Crypt. The later part he was in the > Pacific Ocean on many of the Islands. He was a fighter to the end! He'll be > missed from everyone that met him. To send condolences, visit > www.eaglefuneralhomes.com. > | > | Pat in Michigan > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about > a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com > subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please > remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you > are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please > help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 > or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > | > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > >

Other interesting uses of foolery during WWII were the use of body doubles. England's Bernard Montgomery, head of the British Eighth Army and later the 21st Army Group, had a double. His created a mess for Supreme HQ, as he liked the bottle a bit too much. Rubber inflatable tanks and other vehicles, which from the air, appeared to enemy planes as the real things. The use of a corpse was used successfully by the British in which a homeless man's body was, upon his death in England, dressed in a British officer's uniform and fake invasion plans were planted on him. The body was set adrift in hopes of being found by the Germans and fooled them into thinking the intended invasion site was other than Normandy. Decoys were used extensively, fake troops and vehicles,fake units, fake radio traffic, even George Patton was used because he had up until May, 1944 gained much public attention for his successful landings in North Africa and the invasion of Sicily. He was believed by the Germans to be the most likely commander of American forces for the invasion of France. The Allies sent him on a whirlwind of activity, giving speeches and being seen intentionally to draw attention to him and away from others. The Americans,for a short time looked into using bats in the war against the Japanese. If was believed that the Japanese possessed buildings which were considered more vulnerable to incendiary devices because of the extensive use of bamboo, paper, etc in their construction. The plan was to attach small incendiary devices to the bats and release them from planes over Japanese cities so they would seek homes and set fires, but was canceled. Just a few. Rick

wow, I have certainly learned something new, thanks for letting me see another way we fought war ----- Original Message ----- From: "STUART WOOLLEY" <stuart.woolley1@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | They have one on display in Normandy which got stuck up a church steeple and | the Germans shot at it | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "M.G.Fergusson" <fergussons@blueyonder.co.uk> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:33 PM | Subject: RE: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | | | > This is a true story. The dummies were dropped to confuse the Germans to | > where the real paras were being dropped. They were haring around all over | > the place all night. | > | > Aye | > Malcolm | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Delilah [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] | > Sent: 20 June 2006 17:18 | > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com | > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | > | > NO, pull up D-Day on google and let the child learn the real story - this | > sounds like a kids prank, teach him what D-Day was all about so he will | > know. | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "sue woelkers" <sheltzz3@yahoo.com> | > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:11 PM | > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | > | > | > | my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a | > friend. | > | | > | On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies | > behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to | > believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were | > distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and | > took | > out the Germans. | > | | > | Any truth to this story? | > | | > | Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! | > | | > | | > | --------------------------------- | > | Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. | > | | > | | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > | | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | > | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, | > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. | > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what | > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give | > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For | > example: | > | > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | | > | ============================== | > | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | > | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx | > | | > | > | > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, | > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. | > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what | > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give | > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For | > example: | > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | > ============================== | > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx | > | > | > | > | > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country | > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give | > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For | > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | > ============================== | > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. | > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx | > | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Actually in the early 1930's the US Navy was the only source of intercepted traffic from the Japaneese, the US Army, in the 1930's, also got interested in crytoanalysis, In 1930 after the collapse of Yardley's New York "Black Chamber", William F. Friedman was given the task of creating an Army cryptologic capability in the office of the Chief Signal Officer, he started with 4 civilian students - Frank Rowlett, Solomon Kullback, Abraham Sinkov and John Hurt, their training lead to the compilation of War Department codes and ciphers and the solution of foreign military and diplomatic codes and ciphers. You can go to the NSA web site and read about the history of crytology. The Army Signal Corps established the 805th Signal Service Company, they were sent to a BTL school, the unit consisted of 81 officers and 275 enlisted, the officers were mostly lieutenants and captains and the enlisted men were technical and master sergeants, this company had the highest average grade of any company in WW2,I have a photo a some of the members: TSgt Jim Atkinson, Lt. Massey, Lt. Golliday, Lt. McWhite, Lt. Chope, MSgt Charlie Haas, SSgt Fred Buck, TSgt O'meil, Staff Sgt Jim Biggerstaff, Sgt Ed Dessert, Staff Sgt Frank Zylius and 'Willy" Wilchenski. Then you had the Navajo Code Talkers. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Bullen" <fwbullen@discoverymail.co.za> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps | Well before WW1, actually - codebreakers have been active as long as codes | have been in use, both in war and in peace. Several thousand years, I | should think. | | Regards | | Frank | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:29 PM | Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps | | | > The names below are of people that are deceased, who died in the line of | > duty - there is a memorial wall to the code breakers and has the names of | > those that gave their life in service to our country, the dates include | > from | > 1950 - 2006, I know there must be others as I think the first code | > breakers | > were started during WW1 | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "nell lamantia" <nellie@woh.rr.com> | > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:57 PM | > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps | > | > | > | My father taught some classes for the Signal Corps in Somerset KY. I | > | believe the classes may have been radio or electronics. | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> | > | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | > | Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:44 AM | > | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps | > | | > | | > | > For those that had ancestors in the Signal Corp and are not able to | > find | > | > anything about them, the Code breakers/cryptologist came from the | > Signal | > | > Corps, below are a few names that I have information on. These not | > only | > | > served in WW2, also Korea and Vietnam. | > | > | > | > S/Sgt Donald G. Hill, USAF | > | > A/2nd Class Earl W. Radlein, USAF | > | > CT3 Edward Josepg Purcell. USN | > | > S/Sgt Gene A. Vance, Jr., ARNGUS | > | > Sgt. Joseph Michael Nolan, USA | > | > SGT. Amanda N. Pinson, USA | > | > SSG Edwin H. DazaChacon, USA | > | > SP4 James T. Davis, USA | > | > PFC Jay Robert Stoner, USA | > | > | > | > | > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > | > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: | > | > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please | > remember | > | > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you | > are | > in | > | > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please | > help | > | > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 | > or | > | > Nov 4, 1944. | > | > | > | > ============================== | > | > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | > | > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | > | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an | > international list. 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It was not Sue that thought it was a 'prank' - it was me and now Ihave learned that their were such things used. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Bullen" <fwbullen@discoverymail.co.za> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | Dear Sue | | With all respect, you have fallen into the trap of disbelieving something | because - to you - it seems unlikely. A pity. | | Far from being "some kid's prank", the "paradummies" were used, most | effectively in misleading the enemy. The dummies were about 2.5 feet tall | and their 'chutes were proportionate, so that, outlined against a light sky | or cloud, the seemed real. | | This type of ruse was not so very unusual. Many ingenious devices were | used in WW2 with varying degrees of success. | | Regards | | One who was there. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:18 PM | Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | | | > NO, pull up D-Day on google and let the child learn the real story - this | > sounds like a kids prank, teach him what D-Day was all about so he will | > know. | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "sue woelkers" <sheltzz3@yahoo.com> | > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:11 PM | > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 | > | > | > | my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a | > friend. | > | | > | On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies | > behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to | > believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were | > distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and | > took | > out the Germans. | > | | > | Any truth to this story? | > | | > | Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! | > | | > | | > | --------------------------------- | > | Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. | > | | > | | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > | | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | > | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, | > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. | > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what | > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give | > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For | > example: | > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | | > | ============================== | > | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | > | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx | > | | > | > ______________________________ | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. | New content added every business day. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx |

96263 (394th BG, 587th BS) collided in bad weather with 42-96263, both crashed 96249 (394th BG, 587th BS) hit by 42-107592 and crashed Jun 6, 1944 92845 (c/n 12691) lost enroute to Normandy Jun 5, 1944 due to mechanical failure.Crew and passengers rescued by British picket boat. 92868 (c/n 12716, 313th TCG) lost Jun 5, 1944 93002 (314th TCG, c/n 12865) crashed Jun 6, 1944 near French village of Coquene after being damaged by ground fire during night paradrop 93065 (c/n 12935, 314th TCG) lost Jun 7, 1944 93095 (439th TCG) lost Jun 6, 1944 93096 (c/n 12970) carried 82nd Airborne Pathfinders on D-Day, 17th plane into Normandy. 93098 (c/n 12972) was first C-47 into Normandy 94789 (493rd BG, 862nd BS, *Moby Dick*) went down in Channel Jun 6, 1944 after midair collision with 44-40471. 94885 (490th BG) lost Jun 6, 1944. 96360 to RAF as Marauder III HD433. Lost Jul 6, 1944

They have one on display in Normandy which got stuck up a church steeple and the Germans shot at it ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.G.Fergusson" <fergussons@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: RE: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > This is a true story. The dummies were dropped to confuse the Germans to > where the real paras were being dropped. They were haring around all over > the place all night. > > Aye > Malcolm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Delilah [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] > Sent: 20 June 2006 17:18 > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > > NO, pull up D-Day on google and let the child learn the real story - this > sounds like a kids prank, teach him what D-Day was all about so he will > know. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sue woelkers" <sheltzz3@yahoo.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:11 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > > > | my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a > friend. > | > | On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies > behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to > believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were > distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and > took > out the Germans. > | > | Any truth to this story? > | > | Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! > | > | > | --------------------------------- > | Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: > > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > | > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

It was the night of the Real landing and was designed to draw the German Tropps away from the actual invasion area WWII Veteran At 10:11 20/06/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a friend. > > On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and took out the Germans. > > Any truth to this story? > > Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! > > >--------------------------------- >Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > >==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html >This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006

Well before WW1, actually - codebreakers have been active as long as codes have been in use, both in war and in peace. Several thousand years, I should think. Regards Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps > The names below are of people that are deceased, who died in the line of > duty - there is a memorial wall to the code breakers and has the names of > those that gave their life in service to our country, the dates include > from > 1950 - 2006, I know there must be others as I think the first code > breakers > were started during WW1 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nell lamantia" <nellie@woh.rr.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps > > > | My father taught some classes for the Signal Corps in Somerset KY. I > | believe the classes may have been radio or electronics. > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:44 AM > | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Signal Corps > | > | > | > For those that had ancestors in the Signal Corp and are not able to > find > | > anything about them, the Code breakers/cryptologist came from the > Signal > | > Corps, below are a few names that I have information on. These not > only > | > served in WW2, also Korea and Vietnam. > | > > | > S/Sgt Donald G. Hill, USAF > | > A/2nd Class Earl W. Radlein, USAF > | > CT3 Edward Josepg Purcell. USN > | > S/Sgt Gene A. Vance, Jr., ARNGUS > | > Sgt. Joseph Michael Nolan, USA > | > SGT. Amanda N. Pinson, USA > | > SSG Edwin H. DazaChacon, USA > | > SP4 James T. Davis, USA > | > PFC Jay Robert Stoner, USA > | > > | > > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > | > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please > remember > | > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you > are > in > | > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please > help > | > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 > or > | > Nov 4, 1944. > | > > | > ============================== > | > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > | > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > | > > | > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring > to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > | Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > | > > ______________________________

Dear Sue With all respect, you have fallen into the trap of disbelieving something because - to you - it seems unlikely. A pity. Far from being "some kid's prank", the "paradummies" were used, most effectively in misleading the enemy. The dummies were about 2.5 feet tall and their 'chutes were proportionate, so that, outlined against a light sky or cloud, the seemed real. This type of ruse was not so very unusual. Many ingenious devices were used in WW2 with varying degrees of success. Regards One who was there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > NO, pull up D-Day on google and let the child learn the real story - this > sounds like a kids prank, teach him what D-Day was all about so he will > know. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sue woelkers" <sheltzz3@yahoo.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:11 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > > > | my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a > friend. > | > | On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies > behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to > believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were > distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and > took > out the Germans. > | > | Any truth to this story? > | > | Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! > | > | > | --------------------------------- > | Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: > 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > | > > ______________________________

Sounds like a house I walk pass near where I work. They have a huge cardboard cut out of a man pointing a gun at their window. The window also has bars, it would frighten folks half to death on a dark night but I guess it works. My daughter used to carry a huge soft toy gorilla in her passenger seat when she was driving alone at night Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message ----- From: <c.ridings@sbcglobal.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > The following excerpt was taken from info on dummy paratrooper hitory site > found when subject was googled. The article is rather interesting on the > history of using these dummies by the Germans, British, and Americans. > > > > BRITISH PARADUMMIES D-DAY JUNE 6, 1944: > The British carried out the most famous of all paradummy missions during > the early hours of D-Day June 5/6th, 1944. The paradummy operation was > code-named "Titanic" and involved dropping hundreds of paradummies along > the French coast to confuse and deceive the Germans as to where the actual > Allied Airborne drops would occur. > Six brave SAS men jumped along with the paradummies to make a lot of noise > on the ground, play combat recordings, make small attacks on German troops > (like couriers) and generally help make the landings appear real to the > Germans. The SAS men were Lt. Fowles, TPR. Hurst, TPR. Merryweather, Lt. > Poole, TPR. Dawson, and TPR. Saunders. Days after the operation only two > of these six men had returned to friendly lines. The other five were > likely killed or captured but it is possible some survived so this web > site is still trying to research their exact fate. Titanic is surely one > of the best kept secrets of WWII involving sheer bravery amongst Allied > Special Operations soldiers, out there on their own behind enemy lines. > The Titanic operation worked well and actually caused a good number of > German troops to spread out away from the real landing areas, and also > caused much confusion and doubt amongst German commanders who were then > completely unsure if there was in fact an attack happening or not. Titanic > is credited with surely reducing many Allied casualties as a result. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sue woelkers <sheltzz3@yahoo.com> > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:11:15 AM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Kid's Question About WW2 > > > my 11 year old nephew called and he had been told the following by a > friend. > > On D-Day, so the story goes, the Allies (Americans?) dropped dummies > behind the German positions, firecrackers attached. The Germans were to > believe that the dummies were real, and shooting at them. While they were > distracted, meanwhile, real troops were approaching from the rear, and > took out the Germans. > > Any truth to this story? > > Thanks for the help you all are so wonderful at providing! > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about > a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com > subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please > remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country > you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates > please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 > Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >