Thanks for the explanation. I'm glad others can use the information too. Daryl Ann

I have a picture of my Grandmother standing in front of her house with the 2 blue stars on it for my Grandfather and Uncle. Marva Stateler

This is from a journal I receive. SOURCE:AMERICAN SPIRIT MAGAZINE "Rows of service flags hanging in windows became a common site on neighborhoods across the United States during World War 2. Otherwise known as "blue star banners" or "son in service flags", the banners, consisting of one or more blue stars centered on a white field with a red border, sent a simple but poignant message that families in those homes had a loved one fighting overseas. Each star represented a husband, son, or daughter. Many families displayed flags with multiple stars; some had banners draped in every window. Though the flags were designed and patented by World War 1 Army Captain Robert L. Queissner of the 5th Ohio Infantry to honor his two sons serving on the front lines, according to the American Legion, the flags didn't gain populartity until World War 2, when they became a symbol families used to show their pride and support for loved ones in the armed services. When a soldier was killed in action, his family would cover the blue star with a gold one to symbolize the ultimate sacrifice to the cause of liberty and freedom. As the war progressed, blue and gold stars often intermingled in one window - a touching reminder of the painful price many Americans paid. The flags held meaning for more than just families. Churches and organizationss also displayed them to honor community members fighting in the war. The service flag all but disappeared after the Korean War, despite the Department of Defense codifying it in 1967....."

Daryl Ann, I hope this will help you understand the Army Units used during WW II: SQUAD (Sqd) = the smallest of all Units. It was any small number of men who could be easily directed to do a specific task. Commanded by a Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO), usually a Corporal (Cpl or Sergeant (Sgt) PLATOON (Plt) = usually three or four sqds. Commanded by a 1st or 2nd Lieutenant (Lt) COMPANY (Co) = usually four plts (numbered designations 1,2,3,4) plus a Headquarters (Hq) Commanded by a Captain (Capt) INFANTRY BATTALION (Inf Bn) = 4 Cos (Alpha Designations. Each had a Hq & Hq Co plus four others. Co A,B,C,& D were in lst Bn; E,F,G & H were 2nd Bn; I,K,L & M were 3rd Bn [I do not know why there was not a J Co]). Commanded by a Lt Colonel (Lt Col) INFANTRY REGIMEMT (Inf Regt) = 3 Bns plus Hq & Hq , Antitank Co(Antk Co), Cannon (Cn Co), Service (Svc Co) and a Medical Detachment (Med Dtchmt). Commanded by a Col. ARTILLERY BATTALION (Arty Bn) = Not as many units as Inf and they were called Batteries (Btry) and were identified as A,B & C [firing btrys] plus a Hq and Service (Svc). INFANTRY DIVISION (Inf Div) = Hq & Hq Co, 3 Regts, 4 Arty Bns under command of Div Arty Commander (Brigadier General [Brig Gen], Medical (Med Bn), Engineer (Engr Bn), Special Troops Hq (Spec Trps) consisting of Hq & Hq Co, Reconnaissance Troop (Recon Trp), Signal (Sig Co), Quartermaster (QM Co) and Ordnance (Ord Co), Military Police (MP Plt), Band and Counter Intelligence Detachment (CIC Dchmt). CORPS = Usually 3 Divs and a Hq & Hq Co. ARMY = Usually 2 or 3 Corps and an Hq. All of these Units are staffed according to a Table of Organization (T/O), however personnel and equipment usually depended on need. A combat Inf Div with attached units was 16000/18000 men. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA

Thank you for a great explanation! I've often wondered the same thing. I'm going to make a chart and keep it on my "ongoing genealogy" wall. Lori Ellis Hosbach <ewh@adelphia.net> wrote: Daryl Ann, I hope this will help you understand the Army Units used during WW II: SQUAD (Sqd) = the smallest of all Units. It was any small number of men who could be easily directed to do a specific task. Commanded by a Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO), usually a Corporal (Cpl or Sergeant (Sgt) PLATOON (Plt) = usually three or four sqds. Commanded by a 1st or 2nd Lieutenant (Lt) COMPANY (Co) = usually four plts (numbered designations 1,2,3,4) plus a Headquarters (Hq) Commanded by a Captain (Capt) INFANTRY BATTALION (Inf Bn) = 4 Cos (Alpha Designations. Each had a Hq & Hq Co plus four others. Co A,B,C,& D were in lst Bn; E,F,G & H were 2nd Bn; I,K,L & M were 3rd Bn [I do not know why there was not a J Co]). Commanded by a Lt Colonel (Lt Col) INFANTRY REGIMEMT (Inf Regt) = 3 Bns plus Hq & Hq , Antitank Co(Antk Co), Cannon (Cn Co), Service (Svc Co) and a Medical Detachment (Med Dtchmt). Commanded by a Col. ARTILLERY BATTALION (Arty Bn) = Not as many units as Inf and they were called Batteries (Btry) and were identified as A,B & C [firing btrys] plus a Hq and Service (Svc). INFANTRY DIVISION (Inf Div) = Hq & Hq Co, 3 Regts, 4 Arty Bns under command of Div Arty Commander (Brigadier General [Brig Gen], Medical (Med Bn), Engineer (Engr Bn), Special Troops Hq (Spec Trps) consisting of Hq & Hq Co, Reconnaissance Troop (Recon Trp), Signal (Sig Co), Quartermaster (QM Co) and Ordnance (Ord Co), Military Police (MP Plt), Band and Counter Intelligence Detachment (CIC Dchmt). CORPS = Usually 3 Divs and a Hq & Hq Co. ARMY = Usually 2 or 3 Corps and an Hq. All of these Units are staffed according to a Table of Organization (T/O), however personnel and equipment usually depended on need. A combat Inf Div with attached units was 16000/18000 men. Ellis Hosbach Bethel Park, PA ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Hello All: Re WWII medals, the Canadian & Australian websites below give details of the qualifying periods for various stars, from one day for some Stars including the Burma Star, to six months for others. The 1939-45 Star & Atlantic Star had 6 months for Army/Navy or 2 months for Air Force. The awards were the same for all Commonwealth countries. The “War Medal (1939-45)” was sometimes called the “28-day wonder”. http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/ group04 http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/1930-1945.htm The qualifying periods are for active service or operational service, or service in an operational area or service in Britain etc. I suppose there is a subtle difference between operational service and service in an operational area. The cutoff date for the War Medal (1939-45) and the Pacific Star was 2 September 1945, though for the Defence Medal, Africa Star & Italy Star it was 8 May 1945. Finally, advice from Australia and New Zealand on wearing & mounting medals: http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/honours/overview/wearing-insignia.html http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/medals-mount.htm Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > Just a cautionary word. Whether one was entitled to certain British > campaign medals depended upon how long you had served in that theatre, > the qualifying period for which was, as I recall, six months. > > >I have received medals for my father, The 39/45 War Medal and the Defence > > medal. What I`m interested in is the 39/45 star and the Burma star which I > > believe he was entitled to. He went to India in 1942 to join the 16th field > > regiment of the R.A. and was involved in pushing the Japanese out of Burma > >

Is there a website or could someone explain the hierarchy of corps, battalion, brigade, division, platoon, etc. Thanks. Daryl Ann

Hi Leonard, You are of course correct. I remembered seeing the effigy on the steeple, knew decoys had been used and somehow mixed both events into one. Regards Stuart. Son of Driver I.E. Woolley, RASC Gold Beach D-Day and Europe, WWII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonard Cizewski" <cizewski@yahoo.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Paratrooper Dummy: Kid's Question About WW2 > Hi Stuart, > > That sounds like the church in Ste Mere Eglise and was > a live paratrooper not one of the dummies. > > From the website: > > http://www.normandybattlefields.com/img31_mere_eglise.htm > > "Private John Steele's parachute caught on the > steeple. He survived by feigning death until the town > was occupied in the daylight hours. His parachute > effigy still hangs on the steeple." > > Yours, > > Leonard H. Cizewski > Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, > Europe, WW2 > > --- STUART WOOLLEY <stuart.woolley1@btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> They have one on display in Normandy which got stuck >> up a church steeple and >> the Germans shot at it > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Stuart, That sounds like the church in Ste Mere Eglise and was a live paratrooper not one of the dummies. From the website: http://www.normandybattlefields.com/img31_mere_eglise.htm "Private John Steele's parachute caught on the steeple. He survived by feigning death until the town was occupied in the daylight hours. His parachute effigy still hangs on the steeple." Yours, Leonard H. Cizewski Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, Europe, WW2 --- STUART WOOLLEY <stuart.woolley1@btinternet.com> wrote: > They have one on display in Normandy which got stuck > up a church steeple and > the Germans shot at it __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Leonard: Yes that is accurate, The movie is one of the best in recreaating all the action filmed for thar era. If I recall it the Officer answered " puppen:? Paul Hinkle WW2 US vet Leonard Cizewski <cizewski@yahoo.com> wrote: Does anyone remember the scene in the 60s movie "The Longest Day" when the Germans presented a captured dummy to their officer? Was this an accurate portray of what the dummies looked like? Leonard H. Cizewski Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, Europe, WW2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Yahoo is my non-personal mail. For personal mail only use <pdhinkle@radiotower.net> --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

George, Suggest you try Ted Harris' site http://www.diggerhistory.info/ & look for the master index. Ted has a lot of British, allied & enemy information as well as Australian stuff. The following would need to be confirmed from a British source, but, quoting from an official Australian brochure "The 1939-45 Star was awarded for 180 days service........ between 3 Sept. 1939 & 2 September 1945.....The Burma Star (after qualifying for the 1939 Star) is for service in the area between 11 Dec 1941 & 2 Sept. 1945.....". I am almost sure that the original qualifying period for the 1939 - 1945 Star was 365 days. If you want, I can scan the sheet (it has pix of the medals & ribbons) & email the file to you. Regards , Dave George Carter wrote: > Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) > for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal > awards and pictures. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England > > >

Just a cautionary word. Whether one was entitled to certain British campaign medals depended upon how long you had served in that theatre, the qualifying period for which was, as I recall, six months. Regards Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site >I have received medals for my father, The 39/45 War Medal and the Defence > medal. What I`m interested in is the 39/45 star and the Burma star which I > believe he was entitled to. He went to India in 1942 to join the 16th > field > regiment of the R.A. and was involved in pushing the Japanese out of > Burma. > > Thanks for your help. > George. > > Researching > Carr in Gateshead 1770-present > CARTER in Barningham, Newsham, Darlington and Gateshead > PEARSON in Gateshead 1800s. > CARLTON from Staindrop. > WHARRIER in Gateshead 1800s > KIRWAN from Dublin > QUINN from Brosna, Kings County > FLYNN from Ballinlough, Roscommon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Delilah [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] > Sent: 24 June 2006 15:43 > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site > > do you know which medals > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:18 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site > > > | Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals > (Army) > | for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal > | awards and pictures. > | > | > | > | Thanks for any help. > | > | > | > | George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England > | > | > | -- > | No virus found in this outgoing message. > | Checked by AVG Free Edition. > | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: > 19/06/2006 > | > | > | > | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns > about > > a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com > subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please > remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country > you > > are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please > help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov > 1944 > or Nov 4, 1944. > | > | ============================== > | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > | > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your > ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates > please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 > Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > > > ______________________________

Does anyone remember the scene in the 60s movie "The Longest Day" when the Germans presented a captured dummy to their officer? Was this an accurate portray of what the dummies looked like? Leonard H. Cizewski Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, Europe, WW2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi George - try this Canadian Veterans' site for Commonwealth medals - John Wilson http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/ group04 > Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) > for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal > awards and pictures. >

Daryl, If you have any problems identifying the patches, you can send me scans also. I have multiple references. snowfrog61@yahoo.com Rick

I have received medals for my father, The 39/45 War Medal and the Defence medal. What I`m interested in is the 39/45 star and the Burma star which I believe he was entitled to. He went to India in 1942 to join the 16th field regiment of the R.A. and was involved in pushing the Japanese out of Burma. Thanks for your help. George. Researching Carr in Gateshead 1770-present CARTER in Barningham, Newsham, Darlington and Gateshead PEARSON in Gateshead 1800s. CARLTON from Staindrop. WHARRIER in Gateshead 1800s KIRWAN from Dublin QUINN from Brosna, Kings County FLYNN from Ballinlough, Roscommon -----Original Message----- From: Delilah [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] Sent: 24 June 2006 15:43 To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site do you know which medals ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site | Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) | for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal | awards and pictures. | | | | Thanks for any help. | | | | George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006

Thanks for this Delilah -----Original Message----- From: Delilah [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] Sent: 24 June 2006 15:47 To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site Grants Militaria Photo Gallery - Australian Militaria Images ... WWII British Army Medals/Badges, British WWII Army Medals/Badges ... British WWI Army Medals/Badges. Post WWII Various Medals/Badges, Various Post WWII ... www.grantsmilitaria.com/.../gallery_default.asp?x_CatDesc=Medals/ Badges&z_CatDesc=%3D%2C'%2C' - 38k - See if you can link to this site above - if not, go to google and put in British Army Medals WW2 ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site | Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) | for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal | awards and pictures. | | | | Thanks for any help. | | | | George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006

I can tell you what they were for and what they did to get them, if you want to send them to me ----- Original Message ----- From: <DarylAnnsDesk@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Army of the United States patches |I have several patches that were on or for my dad's uniforms. Is there | anyplace I can find out their significance? I have scanned them and can send them | to anyone who wants to take a look. | | Daryl Ann | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx |

I have several patches that were on or for my dad's uniforms. Is there anyplace I can find out their significance? I have scanned them and can send them to anyone who wants to take a look. Daryl Ann

Grants Militaria Photo Gallery - Australian Militaria Images ... WWII British Army Medals/Badges, British WWII Army Medals/Badges ... British WWI Army Medals/Badges. Post WWII Various Medals/Badges, Various Post WWII ... www.grantsmilitaria.com/.../gallery_default.asp?x_CatDesc=Medals/ Badges&z_CatDesc=%3D%2C'%2C' - 38k - See if you can link to this site above - if not, go to google and put in British Army Medals WW2 ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Carter" <gacarter@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] WW2 Medal site | Can anyone recommend a site for viewing information on British medals (Army) | for WW2. Preferably information relating to the qualification of medal | awards and pictures. | | | | Thanks for any help. | | | | George Carter in Whaley Bridge. England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx |