As a young boy I can recall the afternoon of Sunday 17 September 1944 at my home in Fareham. Fareham is roughly mid-way between Portsmouth and Southampton on the south coast of England. I remember it was a day of clear blue skies which made the perfect backdrop for dozens of planes flying towards Europe. I recall my father saying that there was something big going on over there. The "something big" was Operation Market Garden, and I always believed that those planes were a part of that. However everything I read about that operation suggests that the planes flew over the North Sea, and not over the Channel, so what were those planes that I saw? Any ideas? David

I'm hoping someone can answer the following question. When a person entered ASTP from the military did he remain in his original company? In other words, if someone was originally attached to the 298th Engineers, Company C was he still part of that company even though he was attending college? This group landed in Normandy on D-Day. Now even though the Carnegie Mellon program ended sometime around March 1, why would someone be transferred from the 298th to the 320th. Would it have something to do with needing more training? Would that be a plausible reason for not shipping out with the 298th? Thank you, Adrienne Inman

Sorry I forgot to put the times. It is on The programme 08:30 - 9:00 and repeated at 18:30 19:15 BST >I am broadcasting every morning this week on my WW2 Memories. > >You can listen on http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey > > >Regards > >George. > >George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> >Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce >LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk >Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net >Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com >Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: >http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LINCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html

Indeed it was. These men were not the first, but were early, casualties of the landing in Europe. John -----Original Message----- From: worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of raybot@xtra.co.nz Sent: 02 September 2006 01:04 To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com; WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] two plan collission I note that the date happened to be D-Day Ray ---- Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: > A while back someone wanted info on the collission of two aircraft over > Kent, England on 6 June 1944 - I have the accident report if whoever it was > will write. > delilah evans > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006

Hello Delilah That message was from me. Thank you for your help - I would be grateful for a copy of the accident report, please. Regards John Taylor -----Original Message----- From: worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Delilah Sent: 01 September 2006 22:40 To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WORLDWAR2] two plan collission A while back someone wanted info on the collission of two aircraft over Kent, England on 6 June 1944 - I have the accident report if whoever it was will write. delilah evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006

Good morning, For anybody searching for awards made to members of the British Royal Navy and Merchant Navy for WW2 and beyond , the following books by Seedie may be of some help and interest. There are books about awards made to individuals who served in British Coastal Forces and Submarines. I found that a copy of one of Seedie's books which I was interested in was available in my local reference library. This web site gives a list of Seedie's books. I have no affiliation with Amazon Books. <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seedies-Coastal-Forces-Awards-World/dp/095133803X/sr=1-1/qid=1157337602/ref=sr_1_1/026-2707606-5570830?ie=UTF8&s=books> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books-uk&field-author=Seedie/026-0390889-9574061 Interestingly, during my research I found that two mistakes had been made, one mistake was in Seedie's book and one was in an ADM reference file held at the PRO, Kew. I found what I was looking for in Seedie 's , " Roll of Naval Honours and Awards 1939 -1959" p. 255 the entry said that, " T/Lt. Alexander Dunlop Foster , RNVR of MTB 494 had been awarded the DSO. " I knew that this was incorrect. Lt.J. May RNVR Foster was in fact the officer in command of MTB 493, not MTB 494 during a battle between British MTBs and German E-Boats on the night of April 6th. 1945, which, in fact, was the last engagement between British MTBs and German E - Boats of WW2. The officer in command of MTB 494 on that fatal night was T/Lt. Jack May RNVR. In addition to the mistake in Seedie's I found another mistake in an ADM file held in the PRO at Kew. The file in the Public Records Office, Kew, London Reference ADM 1/30427 file was entitled , " Awards to 17 officers and men of HM ships Cubitt, MTB's 493, 494 and 497 for services in Action with enemy light forces in the North Sea Apr 6/7 1945 " (sic). The information in the file about MTB 494 was incorrect. Nobody on MTB 494 received an award. This fact has been confirmed by Mr Bert Markham during a telephone conversation I had with him. Bert who is now age 88, was one of only three a survivors from MTB 494 following the battle between MTB 494 and German Schnellboot S. 176. Even after the passing of all those years, Bert , who was the telegraphist on MTB 494, was still very clear in his mind about what happened on that night . He told me that he saw T/Lt Jack May, the skipper of MTB 494 lying mortally wounded on a raft which had drifted off the deck of MTB 494 which Bert initially had swam towards but he then decided to swim to MTB 493 which was lying nearby and was rescued by them. When I asked him about any awards being made to any of the crew of MTB 494 he was adamant that nobody on MTB 494 had received an award. A search of Seedie' s confirmed that none of the crew of MTB 494 had received an award, so Bert was right and the ADM file was wrong. Bert also confirmed that T/Lt May was the officer in commend of MTB 494 that night and not T/Lt. Foster as stated in Seedie's book. The following web site lists all the crew of MTB 494 and their fate. http://home.it.net.au/~lambeth/mtb494.html and this website is based on an article from the, "Scunthorpe Telegraph " written by one of their reporters after she had interviewed Bert at his home. http://home.it.net.au/~lambeth/bertmtb494.html Lest We Forget. Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth, Western Australia.

I am broadcasting every morning this week on my WW2 Memories. You can listen on http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html

George, Will you pass along the time? Will your comments be available for download? I may not be up - depending upon the time you broadcast. I'm on the east coast of the USA. You are about 6 hours ahead of me (I think). Don Wilson Marietta, Ga. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of George Smith Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 6:36 AM To: LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-LINCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS] Wartime Memories I am broadcasting every morning this week on my WW2 Memories. You can listen on http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The New York Times September 4, 2006 Guy Gabaldon, 80, Hero of Battle of Saipan, Dies By RICHARD GOLDSTEIN Guy Gabaldon, a Marine private in World War II who used extraordinary grit and a smattering of Japanese phrases to capture more than 1,000 Japanese soldiers single-handedly in the battle for Saipan, died Thursday in Old Town, Fla. He was 80. The cause was heart disease, his son Guy Jr. said. In mid-June 1944, Private Gabaldon took part in the invasion of Saipan, a part of the Mariana Islands, as a member of the Second Marine Division. Thousands of Japanese soldiers staged suicide charges against American lines over the next several weeks while entire native families leaped to their deaths from cliffs to avoid falling into American hands. But Private Gabaldon, going out on what he called “lone wolf” missions, brought the enemy back alive. He earned the Navy Cross, the Marines’ highest award for valor after the Medal of Honor. It was presented to him as an upgrade from his wartime Silver Star after his exploits became widely known through the television program “This Is Your Life” and the Hollywood movie “Hell to Eternity” (1960). “Working alone in front of the lines,” the citation read, “he daringly entered enemy caves, pillboxes, buildings and jungle brush, frequently in the face of hostile fire, and succeeded in not only obtaining vital military information, but in capturing well over 1,000 enemy civilians and troops.” In “Saipan: Suicide Island,” his 1990 memoir, Mr. Gabaldon wrote: “Immediately after landing on Saipan I decided that I would go off into enemy territory to fight the war as I saw fit. I always worked alone, usually at night in the bush. I must have seen too many John Wayne movies, because what I was doing was suicidal.” Private Gabaldon hardly looked the part of a recruiting-poster marine. He was a shade under 5 feet 4 inches. But he spoke “bits and phrases” of Japanese, as he put it, from his friendship with a Japanese-American family while growing up in Los Angeles, a poor youngster of Hispanic descent. He called upon that in his one-man missions. “My plan, as impossible as it seemed, was to get near a Japanese emplacement, bunker or cave, and tell them that I had a bunch of marines with me and we were ready to kill them if they did not surrender,” he recalled. “I promised that they would be treated with dignity, and that we would make sure that they were taken back to Japan after the war. “When I began taking prisoners it became an addiction — I found that I couldn’t stop — I was hooked.” At first, he captured small groups of enemy troops, but then, on a single day in July 1944, as he recalled it, he persuaded some 800 Japanese soldiers to give up their arms and follow him back to American lines, bringing him the nickname the Pied Piper of Saipan. He was wounded by machine-gun fire in the final days of the battle, ending his combat service. He later operated seafood businesses in Mexico and on Saipan. Mr. Gabaldon was an adviser in the filming of “Hell to Eternity,” in which Richard Eyer portrayed him as a youngster and Jeffrey Hunter played him as a marine. He was honored at the Pentagon in 2004 as part of Hispanic Heritage Month, and he was the subject of a recent documentary, “East L.A. Marine,” produced by Steven Jay Rubin. In addition to his son Guy Jr., he is survived by his wife, Ohana; his sons Ray, Tony, Yoshio, Jeffrey and Russell; his daughters Aiko, Hanako and Manya; his sisters Florinda Gabaldon and Martha Jensen; and many grandchildren. His first marriage, to June Gabaldon, ended in divorce. When “Hell to Eternity” was about to open, Mr. Gabaldon reflected on his exploits but also on his comrades in arms. “The heroes are still over there,” he told The Chicago Tribune-New York News Syndicate. “Those who gave their all are the heroes.” Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company Leonard H. Cizewski Son of the late PFC Felix A. Cizewski, Signal Corps, Europe, WW2 Son-in-law of Ralph E. Robinson, Landing Ship Medium 34, Pacific, WW2 http://personalpages.tds.net/%7Ecizewski/Felix/ww2index.html http://www.ibiblio.org/cizewski/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I saw the original Dam Busters in Germany in about 1955-56. My father, a Colonel in the Rhine Army, took me to the rebuilt Moehne Dam, where you could see the fresh concrete in the wall. I look forward to the new film.... Max Novels from Mundania Press (www.mundania.com)- by Max and/or Ariana Overton: Writers of Historicals, Paranormal Thrillers & Murder Mysteries. (www.maxoverton.com) The Lion of Scythia Trilogy - EPPIE winners 2005 and 2006 The Glass House Trilogy Other Books: Trapdoor, Tapestry, The Devil is in the Details Coming Soon: A Cry of Shadows, Scarab - Book 1 - Akhenaten Works in Progress: Scarab - Book 2 - Smenkhkare, Scarab - Book 3 - Tutankhamen, Rakshasa >From: worldwar2-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com >To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com >Subject: WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 14 >Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:13:21 -0600 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The Dam Busters, film remake (George Smith) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:59:39 +0100 >From: George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> >Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] The Dam Busters, film remake >To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20060902125939.00b5ecc8@mail.localdial.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Yes, Barnes Wallace used a new concept in the design of his aircraft, >Geodetics, which is a system of triangles in the structure covered with >fabric. > >I saw the R100 over Leicester in 1930. The Headmaster at school had seen it >and rang the fire bells so we all went into the playground and watched it >pass over, I also saw the R101 just before it crashed in France > > > >Hi All: > >The film “The Dam Busters” (1954, or 1955) is to be remade at >Weta > >Workshops, Wellington New Zealand, for $US 50 million, where it >is > >planned to build ten full-scale non-flying replicas of the >Lancaster > >bomber. The film is to be produced by Peter Jackson, and >directed by > >Christian Rivers of Weta (who got a visual effects Oscar for >the remake > >of King Kong). Jackson & Rivers recently visited Scampton air >base in > >England where the raid left from, and in Canada flew in one of the >three > >Lancasters still flying. Jackson is an aviation buff, rumoured >recently to > >be planning an aviation film set in WWI. The film is backed >by > >Universal & StudioCanal of Europe. >See: > >http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783717a11,00.html > >http://www.stu >ff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783992a11,00.html > > > >The RAF 617 “Dambusters” >Squadron included American, Canadian & > >New Zealand personnel. Les Munro, >now 87, of Tauranga New Zealand > >is the only surviving pilot of the 19 who >flew on the 1943 Dam mission > >(though his Lanc was hit en route and had to >abort). He was told off by > >the Air Force in 1955 for revealing some >technical mistakes in the earlier > >film (eg the true shape of the bomb), >and hopes the new film will include > >some of the antics they got up to >during training, ie low level flying and > >dogfights. Rivers expects to cast >actors in their twenties “to capture how > >young the pilots really were”; >Wing Commander Gibson was only 24. > >See on the new film: On the 1954 film, >see: > >http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/ > > > >The Dambuster’s raid destroyed >two dams, depriving German industry > >of water & power. Barnes Wallis >invented the special “Upkeep” dam > >bomb. He advocated effective precision >bombing rather than “area > >bombing”, used then because of the inability to >bomb accurately. Later > >he designed the deep penetration earthquake bombs >also dropped by > >Lancasters and used to bomb thick concrete structures like >U-Boat pens, > >the 12,000 lb Tallboy & the 22,000 lb Grand Slam (=5440 & >9980 kg). > >His main job was as an aircraft designer, the (successful) R 100 >airship > >and the Wellesley & Wellington bombers. On Wallis, >see: > >http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/wallis.asp > > > >Yours, >John Wilson (New Zealand) > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To >unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >Regards > >George. > >George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> >Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce >LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk >Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net >Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com >Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: >http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the WORLDWAR2 list administrator, send an email to >WORLDWAR2-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the WORLDWAR2 mailing list, send an email to >WORLDWAR2@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 14 >****************************************

Hi All: The film “The Dam Busters” (1954, or 1955) is to be remade at Weta Workshops, Wellington New Zealand, for $US 50 million, where it is planned to build ten full-scale non-flying replicas of the Lancaster bomber. The film is to be produced by Peter Jackson, and directed by Christian Rivers of Weta (who got a visual effects Oscar for the remake of King Kong). Jackson & Rivers recently visited Scampton air base in England where the raid left from, and in Canada flew in one of the three Lancasters still flying. Jackson is an aviation buff, rumoured recently to be planning an aviation film set in WWI. The film is backed by Universal & StudioCanal of Europe. See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783717a11,00.html http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783992a11,00.html The RAF 617 “Dambusters” Squadron included American, Canadian & New Zealand personnel. Les Munro, now 87, of Tauranga New Zealand is the only surviving pilot of the 19 who flew on the 1943 Dam mission (though his Lanc was hit en route and had to abort). He was told off by the Air Force in 1955 for revealing some technical mistakes in the earlier film (eg the true shape of the bomb), and hopes the new film will include some of the antics they got up to during training, ie low level flying and dogfights. Rivers expects to cast actors in their twenties “to capture how young the pilots really were”; Wing Commander Gibson was only 24. See on the new film: On the 1954 film, see: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/ The Dambuster’s raid destroyed two dams, depriving German industry of water & power. Barnes Wallis invented the special “Upkeep” dam bomb. He advocated effective precision bombing rather than “area bombing”, used then because of the inability to bomb accurately. Later he designed the deep penetration earthquake bombs also dropped by Lancasters and used to bomb thick concrete structures like U-Boat pens, the 12,000 lb Tallboy & the 22,000 lb Grand Slam (=5440 & 9980 kg). His main job was as an aircraft designer, the (successful) R 100 airship and the Wellesley & Wellington bombers. On Wallis, see: http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/wallis.asp Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand)

Yes, Barnes Wallace used a new concept in the design of his aircraft, Geodetics, which is a system of triangles in the structure covered with fabric. I saw the R100 over Leicester in 1930. The Headmaster at school had seen it and rang the fire bells so we all went into the playground and watched it pass over, I also saw the R101 just before it crashed in France >Hi All: >The film �The Dam Busters� (1954, or 1955) is to be remade at Weta >Workshops, Wellington New Zealand, for $US 50 million, where it is >planned to build ten full-scale non-flying replicas of the Lancaster >bomber. The film is to be produced by Peter Jackson, and directed by >Christian Rivers of Weta (who got a visual effects Oscar for the remake >of King Kong). Jackson & Rivers recently visited Scampton air base in >England where the raid left from, and in Canada flew in one of the three >Lancasters still flying. Jackson is an aviation buff, rumoured recently to >be planning an aviation film set in WWI. The film is backed by >Universal & StudioCanal of Europe. See: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783717a11,00.html >http://www.stu ff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3783992a11,00.html > >The RAF 617 �Dambusters� Squadron included American, Canadian & >New Zealand personnel. Les Munro, now 87, of Tauranga New Zealand >is the only surviving pilot of the 19 who flew on the 1943 Dam mission >(though his Lanc was hit en route and had to abort). He was told off by >the Air Force in 1955 for revealing some technical mistakes in the earlier >film (eg the true shape of the bomb), and hopes the new film will include >some of the antics they got up to during training, ie low level flying and >dogfights. Rivers expects to cast actors in their twenties �to capture how >young the pilots really were�; Wing Commander Gibson was only 24. >See on the new film: On the 1954 film, see: >http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/ > >The Dambuster�s raid destroyed two dams, depriving German industry >of water & power. Barnes Wallis invented the special �Upkeep� dam >bomb. He advocated effective precision bombing rather than �area >bombing�, used then because of the inability to bomb accurately. Later >he designed the deep penetration earthquake bombs also dropped by >Lancasters and used to bomb thick concrete structures like U-Boat pens, >the 12,000 lb Tallboy & the 22,000 lb Grand Slam (=5440 & 9980 kg). >His main job was as an aircraft designer, the (successful) R 100 airship >and the Wellesley & Wellington bombers. On Wallis, see: >http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/wallis.asp > >Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html

I note that the date happened to be D-Day Ray ---- Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: > A while back someone wanted info on the collission of two aircraft over > Kent, England on 6 June 1944 - I have the accident report if whoever it was > will write. > delilah evans > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the original post, if you still interested in knowing which were in what plane, let me know, I got the report, finally. delilah evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Taylor" <johnataylor@btinternet.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] LEST WE FORGET - June 6, 1944 | Hi Listers | | This is an appropriate day to post some information that I have collected | over the past year or so. It concerns the collision and crashing of two | USAAF Bombers in the county of Kent, England. | | | The two aircraft in question were:- | | Martin B26 Marauder | Serial No 4296263 | Code 5W-S | 394 BG | 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham | Pilot Lt W. KLINE Jr | Time 05.10 hrs | Date 06 Jun 1944 | Crashed at Corporation Road, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid | Reference if required) | | | Martin B26 Marauder | Serial No 4296050 | Code 5W-L | 394 BG | 587 B Sqdn based at Boreham, Essex, England | Pilot 1st Lt W. BURGER | Time 05.00 - 05.10 hrs | Date 06 JUN 1944 | Crashed at East Court Farm, Gillingham, Kent, England (I can provide Grid | Reference if required) | | I have no information on which plane collided with which, but I suspect that | it is academic in any case. Nor do I have any information on where the | collision occured, but I am told that the plane that crashed at East Court | Farm passed over a particular house just seconds before the crash; this is | to the northeast of the crash site, so the plane was likely to have been on | a generally southwesterly heading at the end. | | Both aircraft were returning from an attack on gun positions at St Martin de | Varreville. | | The crews involved were:- | | 1st Lt Warren D. RODGERS ( Riverside, Calif.) | 2nd Lt Emil F. OSTROWSKI ( Belleville, N. York) | T/Sgt Edward H. MONAGHAN (Rochester, N. York | S/Sgt George S. KNIGHT ( Jacksonville, Illinois) | S/Sgt Raymond SABLATURA | S/Sgt James BECHTLER | S/Sgt Joseph AMATO | Sgt Alfred M. ZUSSA ( Chicago, Illinois) | Sgt Boris R. SELIMSKI ( New York) | CFL Forrest W. PAFENBERG ( Norman, Indiana) | | It is not presently known which of the above were in which aircraft, | however; if there is anyone out there who does know, I would be grateful if | they would post it. | | All these details have been given to me by the Kent Aviation Historical | Research Society (KAHRS) and it is essential that this Society is given due | credit, particularly if the information is published in any form. | | KAHRS would love to have photos of these aircraft and/or crews. | | Incidentally, the explosion of the aircraft that crashed at East Court Farm | blew in the windows of our house and showered me with glass; all us kids | enjoyed collecting debris from the crash, including live ammunition upon | which we expended a great deal of time trying to detonate - I write this | today because we failed! | | Remember these brave people and their peers; we owe them all a great deal. | | John | | in Chard, Somerset, England | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx |

yes, I think we were discussing it on-list - and someone wanted to know the names, if they still on the list, I have the report. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: <raybot@xtra.co.nz> To: <worldwar2@rootsweb.com>; <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] two plan collission |I note that the date happened to be D-Day | Ray | ---- Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: | > A while back someone wanted info on the collission of two aircraft over | > Kent, England on 6 June 1944 - I have the accident report if whoever it was | > will write. | > delilah evans | > | > | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

A while back someone wanted info on the collission of two aircraft over Kent, England on 6 June 1944 - I have the accident report if whoever it was will write. delilah evans

Greetings, I would be most interested in information like the letter listed. My step father was in the R.A.F. H.Q. in 'Egypt' as of end of 1941 and served through to 1945 (Bernard Russell) I have not been able to identify any locations during that time frame. Peter patrick holland wrote: > >Hi George, > >I believe that we have corresponded before. At the moment I am trying to >trace a distant relative of mine who served in the RAF as an Air Gunner >during WW2. His details are 190321 Sgt. Charles Borton Segrott. He >served from 1939 in Europe, N. Africa and Burma and while stationed in >North Africa he was the sole survivor when the aircraft he was in hit a >fuel tanker on take off. Later in the war he was promoted to F/Lt. " > >As a WW2 RAF Veteran yourself I wonder if you could please suggest the >best way to find out more about this individual. > >Regards. > >Patrick Holland. > >Perth, Western Australia. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi George, I believe that we have corresponded before. At the moment I am trying to trace a distant relative of mine who served in the RAF as an Air Gunner during WW2. His details are 190321 Sgt. Charles Borton Segrott. He served from 1939 in Europe, N. Africa and Burma and while stationed in North Africa he was the sole survivor when the aircraft he was in hit a fuel tanker on take off. Later in the war he was promoted to F/Lt. " As a WW2 RAF Veteran yourself I wonder if you could please suggest the best way to find out more about this individual. Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth, Western Australia.

how can you find the names of the people who served threw this program. i am trying to find information on the seventh field artillery regiment . i am trying to find information on pine camp, camp drum, fort drum, new york, for the years between 1923 to 1932. my father was stationed their, and i cannot find any information on this time perioc. maybe he was threw this program. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrews, John C" <AndrewsJC@state.gov> To: <worldwar2@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10 > SOME of the WPA projects were boondoggles, not ALL. One reason was because > its lapses and abuses were scrutinized far and wide. One thing that set it > up for abuse was that many Democrats -- coat-tailed into office with > FDR -- saw their chance to use it for patronage in awarding jobs and > contracts to pals, if not outright skimming. Any Republican who was paying > attention was quick to point the accusing finger! Much the same for > blacks or other ethnicities -- every faction wanted in and demanded to be > accommodated. IIRC the General Accounting Office spent a lot of effort to > police the WPA, as well as other FDR "socialist" programs. > > It was the WPA BTW that built many, many post offices, National Guard > armories, US Route roads and Federal office buildings. Without WPA, they > would not have existed. WPA also employed artists -- check out the murals > and statuary of post offices and other period edifices -- including > musicians, actors and writers. The writers published tourist guide books > on all the States that were, and still are, very good and recognized as > "yardsticks" of the genre. > > In similar fashion, the CCC "invented" or made usable our entire system of > National Parks and National Forests. Without CCC, there would have been no > trail networks, access roads, hiker huts, surveys, maps, man-made lakes > and reservoirs and on and on. It, called "The Tree Army", also was the > incubator for our mobilized military in WWII. > > John Andrews > > -----Original Message----- > From: worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:59 AM > To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10 > > The CCC was also part of the WPA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JbarL@aol.com> > To: <worldwar2@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10 > > > | > | In a message dated 8/30/2006 5:49:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > | ewh@adelphia.net writes: > | > | Malisa, I just received a private e-mail from a rootsweb friend > reminding > me > | the WPA. It was Work Progress Administration and was the brain child > of > | Franklin D. Roosevelt in the late 1930's along with WPA which, if I > remember > | correctly, was Public Work Administration. Both were the beginning of > the > | make work program financed by the Government. Unemployed men were put > to > | work repairing roads, bridges, parks etc. and building retaining walls > etc. > | for public benefit. They were boondoggle projects. My father had a > new > | 1936 International Dump Truck and was hired to transport the men to the > job > | sites. The joke at the time was that most of the workers stood around > | leaning on their shovels. > | Ellis Hosbach > | Bethel Park, PA > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > | the body of the message > | > | > | > | Ellis: > | > | The PWA (Public Works Administration) was responsible for building > federal > | buildings all across the United States. If you have a 1930s era post > office > | in your town it probably was built under the Public Works > Administration. > | Now the WPA is another matter entirely...have you ever heard the > wonderful > | song ( by the Mills Brothers I think) called the WPA? > | Many of the projects were boondoggles as you say but if you can find > the > WPA > | writer's projects which include wonderful local histories you will > feel > | differently. At 92 I have had a first hand experience with the WPA. I > worked > | for the State of California in the Bureau of Vital Statistics...We had > a > WPA > | project there during the war which made photostatic copies of all the > original > | Birth , marriage and death certificates. Those copies were coded with > the > | soundex system by the WPA crew and were filed by the soundex > coding....I > was > | responsible for searching for birth certificates for the men and women > eager to > | serve their country ....as I recall the birth certificates were > required > for > | enlistment in some parts of the service other than the army. On > December > 8th > | ,1941 we had a triple line of men over two blocks long waiting for our > doors > | to open. We worked a lot of overtime finding the correct records and > blessed > | those WPA workers for the work that they had done as we could search in > file > | drawers for photo copies instead of hauling heavy books of original > records > | > | Forgive an old lady for this bout of recall...You pushed a buried > memory > | button. > | > | Jessie > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

SOME of the WPA projects were boondoggles, not ALL. One reason was because its lapses and abuses were scrutinized far and wide. One thing that set it up for abuse was that many Democrats -- coat-tailed into office with FDR -- saw their chance to use it for patronage in awarding jobs and contracts to pals, if not outright skimming. Any Republican who was paying attention was quick to point the accusing finger! Much the same for blacks or other ethnicities -- every faction wanted in and demanded to be accommodated. IIRC the General Accounting Office spent a lot of effort to police the WPA, as well as other FDR "socialist" programs. It was the WPA BTW that built many, many post offices, National Guard armories, US Route roads and Federal office buildings. Without WPA, they would not have existed. WPA also employed artists -- check out the murals and statuary of post offices and other period edifices -- including musicians, actors and writers. The writers published tourist guide books on all the States that were, and still are, very good and recognized as "yardsticks" of the genre. In similar fashion, the CCC "invented" or made usable our entire system of National Parks and National Forests. Without CCC, there would have been no trail networks, access roads, hiker huts, surveys, maps, man-made lakes and reservoirs and on and on. It, called "The Tree Army", also was the incubator for our mobilized military in WWII. John Andrews -----Original Message----- From: worldwar2-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:diamond6468@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:59 AM To: worldwar2@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10 The CCC was also part of the WPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JbarL@aol.com> To: <worldwar2@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [WORLDWAR2] WORLDWAR2 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10 | | In a message dated 8/30/2006 5:49:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, | ewh@adelphia.net writes: | | Malisa, I just received a private e-mail from a rootsweb friend reminding me | the WPA. It was Work Progress Administration and was the brain child of | Franklin D. Roosevelt in the late 1930's along with WPA which, if I remember | correctly, was Public Work Administration. Both were the beginning of the | make work program financed by the Government. Unemployed men were put to | work repairing roads, bridges, parks etc. and building retaining walls etc. | for public benefit. They were boondoggle projects. My father had a new | 1936 International Dump Truck and was hired to transport the men to the job | sites. The joke at the time was that most of the workers stood around | leaning on their shovels. | Ellis Hosbach | Bethel Park, PA | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and | the body of the message | | | | Ellis: | | The PWA (Public Works Administration) was responsible for building federal | buildings all across the United States. If you have a 1930s era post office | in your town it probably was built under the Public Works Administration. | Now the WPA is another matter entirely...have you ever heard the wonderful | song ( by the Mills Brothers I think) called the WPA? | Many of the projects were boondoggles as you say but if you can find the WPA | writer's projects which include wonderful local histories you will feel | differently. At 92 I have had a first hand experience with the WPA. I worked | for the State of California in the Bureau of Vital Statistics...We had a WPA | project there during the war which made photostatic copies of all the original | Birth , marriage and death certificates. Those copies were coded with the | soundex system by the WPA crew and were filed by the soundex coding....I was | responsible for searching for birth certificates for the men and women eager to | serve their country ....as I recall the birth certificates were required for | enlistment in some parts of the service other than the army. On December 8th | ,1941 we had a triple line of men over two blocks long waiting for our doors | to open. We worked a lot of overtime finding the correct records and blessed | those WPA workers for the work that they had done as we could search in file | drawers for photo copies instead of hauling heavy books of original records | | Forgive an old lady for this bout of recall...You pushed a buried memory | button. | | Jessie | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WORLDWAR2-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message