Peter, Thank you for the information. The daughter of Ellen WOOLFORD was born in 1877 and I have her birth certificate which *does* not list her father-a line goes through that block which requires his name. I have the 1881 census for Lydiard Millicent "the Green" and lists the following: George WOOLFORD-57-Butcher-Lydiard Millicent Mary Ann " -60- -Brinkworth William George-grandson-14-GWR general laborer-Lydiard Millicent Edwin G. LARGE-border-4-Lydiard Millicent Ellen WOOLFORD-unmarried-30-Dressmaker-Lydiard Millicent Lily Mary WOOLFORD-daughter-3-New Swindon Lily Mary Ellen WOOLFORD was b. 27 October 1877 at 9 North Wilts Terrace in New Swindon, Wilts; she d. 7 March 1883 of diphtheria. Death certificate does not mention a father. I have my suspicions on what family line may be the father of Wm. George but I do not know if William and his sister Lily even shared the same father, or if they were different men. Also, on the 1881 census is the Tyler family "In The Butts" George TYLER-47-Farm Laborer-Woolstone, Berks. Elizabeth (STURMEY)-45-Wanborough, Wilts. Robert-14-Farm Laborer-Lydiard Millicent William-11-Scholar-Lydiard Millicent Ernest-4-Lydiard Millicent Charles Sturmey-65-Farm Laborer-Lydiard Millicent I mention this family as Ellen married above Robert who was a contemporary of her son William and 16 yrs her junior. Ellen and Robert raised my grandmother as their daughter-she didn't know the facts (that Ellen and Robert were not her parents but grandparents) until Ellen died in 1910. My grandmother also looked very much like Robert in later years. So now you know how convoluted this bit of history is! If I cannot find out the identity through birth/death certificates or Bastardy records, I doubt there is any hope at all and will have to be satisfied with conjecture. If *anyone* has any thoughts or ideas on this subject, please fill me in! Janice