--- On Sun, 3/1/10, Howard Faulkner <hfaulk@maine.rr.com> wrote: From: Howard Faulkner <hfaulk@maine.rr.com> Subject: Re: [WOODWORKERS] wood carver To: woodworkers@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 18:38 John. I have often wondered, essentially on the same topic. Hi Howard, thanks for your reply.  It probably would be useful to find an employer but I think that will be difficult. I don't think I've explored every posibility yet. John

Hi all, can anyone help to educate me in the trade of wood carver. My gggrandfather John Coleman was born about 1822 in Macroom, County Cork. I have traced him through the census from 1851 in Kelso, Roxboroughshire to 1891 in Newcastle on Tyne, in all census's he listed himself as a wood carver (once as a carver in wood). I assume that he would have served an apprenticeship to this trade as I believe it involved at least understanding technical drawing but whether he gained his trade in Ireland or Scotland is yet to be discovered. As he was 30 in the 1851 census he would have been an established tradesman. What kind of work would he have done, I assume from some of the addresses in the census's that he was better off financially than the average man, in 1861 he was living in Clayport Street in the centre of Alnwick Northumberland and in 1871 in Clayton Street in Newcastle on Tyne. Would there be a record of his apprenticeship in Ireland or in Scotland if he came there as a boy. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Robson

John. I have often wondered, essentially on the same topic. My great grandfather b. 1840 in LeHavre, France of Scot parents. The soon moved back to Paisley, Scotland after his birth. His father, my gg grandfather was identified as an 'engineer' I believe related to the textile industries in the Paisley, Glasgow area. Back to my great grandfather who removed to the US about 1865 and his occupations were at different times referred to as a 'joiner', 'machinist', 'mechanic', 'engineer'. and again his employment was mostly with the textile industry in Keene, New Hampshire, US. The term 'joiner' is most commonly associated with wood...as in cabinetmaking, pattern making and the like. Engineers of course cover many fields from architecture to many fields of science and technology etc. Machinists operate machines...usually associated with metals. Now back to 'wood carvers'. I believe this could be any of the following: Sculpturing of many types from busts, to free form, etc. Signage (popular in the period your gg grandfather lived as it is today) Joinery (cabinets, furniture, architectural woodwork, of which there was considerable both then and now). Wood patterns for metal foundry castings Many other trades such as carriage makers, coffins makers, detailed fine construction, ships fittings, etc. In short the term 'carver' or 'carver in wood' could mean most any of the above. It would be most helpful if you could find the name of any firm that employed him or a particular community he lived in which was well known for certain products that may have employed such trades. Sorry I can not be more specific. I hope the above will give you some clues. Howard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++____________________________++++++++++++++++++++++ On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:12 AM, john robson <rieverjohn@mypostoffice.co.uk>wrote: > Hi all, > can anyone help to educate me in the trade of wood carver. > My gggrandfather John Coleman was born about 1822 in Macroom, County Cork. > I have traced him through the census from 1851 in Kelso, Roxboroughshire to > 1891 in Newcastle on Tyne, in all census's he listed himself as a wood > carver (once as a carver in wood). > I assume that he would have served an apprenticeship to this trade as I > believe it involved at least understanding technical drawing but whether he > gained his trade in Ireland or Scotland is yet to be discovered. > As he was 30 in the 1851 census he would have been an established > tradesman. > What kind of work would he have done, I assume from some of the addresses > in > the census's that he was better off financially than the average man, in > 1861 he was living in Clayport Street in the centre of Alnwick > Northumberland and in 1871 in Clayton Street in Newcastle on Tyne. > Would there be a record of his apprenticeship in Ireland or in Scotland if > he came there as a boy. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > John Robson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WOODWORKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All, In my genealogy searches I have come across the occupation of "Lathrender" which appears to bear some relationship to carpentry and hurdle making. Can someone telll me what exactly it was? Regards, Bert Arter, Stibbard, Norfolk, England Researching ARTER, BONE, GAGE, LANGLEY, WIDOWSON and many others

Hi there, Does anyone have an interest in Toy/Rocking Horse Makers? Thank you Stephanie in sunny Porthcawl

Hi all, My Brettells, when they were in London in the very early 1800s, were carpenters, or in some sort of wood trade. The entire family were baptised (as adults) at Bond St Baptist Chapel in 1804 and so I am assuming that is where they lived at the time. The father of my family is listed as Joseph Brettell and the directory entries for Joseph Brettell in Brum 1780 - 1812 have occupation as either button maker/s or factor/s. Would it be normal for the offspring of someone with one of those occupations to take up carpentry? Other Brettells listed in Birmingham between 1780 and 1830 had occupations of pearl button makers, brassfounders or victuallers. Thanks and cheers to all Mary Brettell Brisbane (Aus)

Can anyone help me with research into my Great Great Grand Father JOHN HARRIS. I am researching my family history and have come across a listing in the 1851 Census for JOHN HARRIS a bedstead and cabinet maker employing 10 men plus apprentices at 9-11 Lower Castle Street in Bristol in 1851. He is listed in Mathews 1851 Bristol Directory as a Cabinet and Bedstead Manufacturer. If anyone knows of this person or any of his employees could you contact me please. Many thanks Philip Harris Leigh on Sea, Essex

Hello everyone, Does anyone know if there would be a form of 'jobs vacancy' circulated somehow, in the newspapers of the time, perhaps? An ancestor, a joiner, moved from the Goole area of Yorkshire in the 1830's to Blackburn, married a local woman and moved back home by the 1841 census. I have no idea why he made the move, but have a notion it might have been because joiners were in demand to supply the increasing growth in textiles with the looms for the mills. Could this idea be right, and is there evidence of this? It could be, of course, that he went simply to find work in the mills, but I think not as the birth certificate of the first child, born in Blackburn, states him to be a joiner/woodworker, rather a mill trade. thanks for any suggestions, Sandra Turner

Hi, Does 'woodworker' include common or garden carpenter? (My husband would freak if he heard me say that, he's been a very good 'common-or-garden-carpenter for 34 years!!). To clarify, when the term is applied to family research, are there sites to research the qualifications a carpenter had, the jobs that they worked on, and the builders they worked with? Or, is it really only related to woodturning and carving, the really fine work?. In 1881 Richard Tompson, Age 47 is listed as a carpenter and living at 1 Ester Cottages, Deptford St. Paul, Kent. Do you think that there's any way I can find out anything else about him? Thanks ,Jo

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Hi Folks Is there SKS out there who could help me out of this pit of despair and give me some pointers as to how I could get some information regarding my paternal Grandfather. I have quite a lot of information genealogywise but now I want to do some background work on him. He was born in 1880 and on the 1901 census he was listed as 'Joiner' Would he have had to have undergone an 'apprenticeship' and if so would any records be kept anywhere? In 1935 (when my parents married) he was listed as resident in Hong Kong his occupation being 'Chargeman Joiner' I also know from family stories that he served in the Navy at some time and plan to visit Kew to get his service records shortly which might help. I just seem to be going round in circles and getting VERY giddy TIA for any advice Pauline

----- Original Message ----- Wrom: IVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVT To: WOODWORKERS-L@rootweb.com<mailto:WOODWORKERS-L@rootweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: NYC guilds Can anyone provide me with names of woodworking guilds in New York City for the years 1850 thru 1900 ? Thanking you in advance, Glenn

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Hello folks Is there some kind person out there who can 'edjimicate a higoramus' 1) Is there any difference between a Carpenter and a Joiner and if so what is it. Also I presume that both would have undergone apprenticeships but were records kept? 2) Would a joiner/carpenter need to have served an apprenticeship to serve in the Merchant Marine in the early 1900's? ANY info would be gratefully received Pauline

I am trying to locate a company that went by the name of Fuller Products "Since 49 "Pioneer furniture. I am hoping someone will know of the company. Any help is deeply appreciated.

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Hi List, I am looking for any information on a furniture factory in Springfield, Virginia, that was apparently burned by Union soldiers in the Civil War. I would be particularly interested in knowing who owned this factory while it was in operation. Your help is very appreciated. Thank you, Beverly Clark

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