To Brian Davies Thank you so much for this information. It would have taken me for ever to discover the 1851 stuff. Someone else has told me that there are NURSEs in Cardiff as well, so they seen to have got around a bit since 1851. I've been in the doldrums with this family for months (got fed up trying to find my nains grandparents, Elizabeth and John Thomas in Llanelli) but now I feel spurred into action. Thanks again Denise