Greetings from the Land o' the Maple Leaf! FYI a DEVONALD tear jerking snippet from From: Once Upon a Village - Aspects of Life in the Mumbles 1901 - 1914 by Carol Powell. Inalong Publishing, 15 Mulgrave Way, Mayals, Swansea, SA3 5DG. Telephone (01792)402855/367791. Page 102. It was reported on July 1908, that William DEVONALD of 13, Gloucester Place had been killed, while trying to board a moving Mumbles Train, at Swansea Gaol. He had only recently started work at the Swansea Post Office as a trainee telegrapher, and 'had not yet received his uniform'. Best wishes, Diana-in-Canada Researching: ARROWSMITH/Stockton/Hartlepool/Co Durham/UK Any DRYSDALE/Stockton/Hartlepool/Co Durham/Glamorgan/UK Any GOLDSMITH/Kent/UK Any HALL/Joseph & family/Manchester area/UK/circa1850 HAMBROOK/Kent/UK Any JARRETT/Shropshire/UK Any LLOYD/Mumbles/Oystermouth/Wales/1600+ NICHOLAS/Swansea & Mumbles/Oystermouth/Wales/1600+ WEBSTER/Ashby-De-La-Zouch & Bury/Lancs/England/18C+ on 11/9/01 11:08 PM, Widge3@aol.com at Widge3@aol.com wrote: > Dear Tom, > Yes, this certainly helps. In fact it brought a tear to my eye seeing my > grandfather's name as it was recorded when he was an infant. I went to the > cemetary, and his birth year was 1880 (December), so this would be correct, > if that was recorded in 1881. His two older sisters were Mary and Martha as > well. He had an older brother, so I don't know where he was, unless he had > already come to the US. I was so thrilled to see a Devonald listed. > Certainly your Devonalds have to be related! I know that Davies is a common > surname, but I don't think Devonald is. Thank you so much for your > information! > Regards, > Emily Fifolt

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Hi again Tom, I must be blind this morning. I just re-read your reply, and there was an older brother, Evan, listed, so everyone was present. This is so great! Thanks so much, again, for your help! Emily

Dear Tom, Yes, this certainly helps. In fact it brought a tear to my eye seeing my grandfather's name as it was recorded when he was an infant. I went to the cemetary, and his birth year was 1880 (December), so this would be correct, if that was recorded in 1881. His two older sisters were Mary and Martha as well. He had an older brother, so I don't know where he was, unless he had already come to the US. I was so thrilled to see a Devonald listed. Certainly your Devonalds have to be related! I know that Davies is a common surname, but I don't think Devonald is. Thank you so much for your information! Regards, Emily Fifolt

I live in upper New York state, and I am trying to trace my father's family for his 90th birthday. I have birth certificates for David Howell and Aubrey. I am trying to get the marriage certif. for David Thomas and Mary Richards and David Howell and Charlotte Howell. Aubrey had a sister Eleanor who was 7 in the 1881 census. I think Aubrey also was married in Wales prior to going to Manitoba Canada and had a son Hugh (Huw). Hope we can jfind a relative for a birthday gift for my Dad, Donald Arthur Thomas.

Hello,Emily, I hope this helps. 3 Hopkin Terrace Swansea Town Glamorgan Wales PRO Ref RG11 PIECE 5361 FOLIO 23 PAGE 40 EVAN DAVIES HD RAILWAY PORTER M 29 B LLANFYRNACH PEMBROKE WALES MARY DAVIES WIFE M 29 B NEVERN PEMBROKE WALES EVAN D. DAVIES SON SCHOLAR 6 B CWMAVON GLAMORGAN WALES MARTHA DAVIES DAUR 4 SCHOLAR B LLANFYRNACH PEMBROKE WALES MARY H. DAVIES DAUR 2 B SWANSEA GLAMORGAN WALES ERNEST J. DAVIES SON 4 WKS B SWANSEA GLAMORGAN WALES HARRIET DEVONALD VISITOR WIDOW 63 B NEVERN PEMBROKE WALES This is from the 1881 census.It is interesting to note that there is a DEVONALD present and that this is the area that my DEVONALDS come from. If I can be of any further help please let me know. Regards, Tom

My details are sketchy at best, but my great-grandfathers' name was Evan Davies. I believe it was on that side of the family a Mary Lloyd married a man with the surname Devonald (thanks for the corrected spelling of the name). From the story that was handed down, it seems Mary's family felt she was marrying beneath her social status, and disowned her when she went ahead and married without the family's blessing. From then on, future generations always included the name Devonald when naming their children. My grandfather's name was Ernest James Devonald Davies, and his brothers and sisters all had Devonald somewhere in their name. My grandfather came to the United States when he was probably about 7 or 8 years of age. I have to double check his birth year, but it was somewhere between 1879 or 1880? I'll look it up to get the exact date. Thanks for any help you can give me. Emily Fifolt

The name should be DEVONALD and it is a PEMBROKESHIRE name. I know a number of DEVONALDS,so what is your family name ? Tom

Are there any clock experts out there. We have a late 18th century Welsh longcase clock in the family, sadly following my father's death early this year we are now parting company with the clock. But before we do we have one query, on the clock's dial is written THOMAS DAVIES and then underneath CARMARTHEN. Is this the name of the clockmaker or, if the clock was given as say a wedding gift, the name of the bride and groom? We have Davies in our family tree but not as far as we can tell Thomas. If it is the clockmaker is there any recorded information about them. If anyone is interested or would like to see the clock then they should go to Welsh Country Auctions, Crosshands, Llanelli on Saturday 10th November where it is possibly being sold in auction at 10.00 a.m. regards, Stuart

THank you so much for your lookup on Charles B. Jenkins. Yes, he was my ggrandfather and Emeline was my grandmother. I didn't respond immediately because I was afraid I might have picked up a virus but I have now checked and am told that my pc is clean. One question. Did you send an attachment with your message? It came through showing that there was an attachment but I didn't download it. I am really a novice when it comes to computers and am afraid to download attachments unless I have been warned ahead of time that one is coming. There is no attachment to this e-mail responnse. Now I just have to find out more about Charles and Frances and who their parents were in Pembrokeshire. Each step leads to two more, doesn't it? Bonnie

Hi Barbara Cefn Coed Y Cymmer is a villeage 2 miles North West of Merthyr Tydfil. Follow this link to a map http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?GridE=303112&GridN=207823&client=euro pe&X=303112&Y=207823&scale=100000&place=Cefn-coed-y-cymmer,+Merthyr+Tydfil&d b=hcgaz&local=&type=&start=&limit=&coordsys=gb&overviewmap=ap Regards John Best john.best@ntlworld.com

Bethel cemetery is attached to Bethel Church, Carnglas Road, Sketty, Swansea. It is a Welsh speaking chapel and the contact details on the outside of the church are: Sion ALUN, (who I guess is the vicar/pastor or whatever) - Bethel Sketty, 10 Carnglas Road, Sketty, Swansea. There were two telephone numbers listed as 204148 & 898327 - the std code for Swansea is 01792. I hope this helps a little. Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: Bondeclay@cs.com To: WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: [Swansea] BETHEL Cemetery, Sketty Can anyone tell me if the Bethel Cemetery records are accessible on the web or if there is an e-mail address where one could write for information. I believe that my ggrandparents are buried there sometime around 1900. Bonnie North Carolina ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm

Am seeking information about the location of Cefn Coldy Cymer in South Wales. My husband's grandfather, John Protheroe, was born there on Aug.28. 1852, and emigrated to the US at age 25 (approx), settling in Kansas. We cannot find Cefn Coldy Cymer on the map. Can someone help us out - either regarding the town or the family? Thanks.- Barbara Protheroe

My grandfather's family also came from Swansea. All of his brothers and sisters had Devinald for a middle name as this was his mother's maiden name. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Hi Listers, Can SKS please let me know if the cemetry at Cadoxton has been listed as I would like to find out if there are any headstones for the Saunders Family. I will give details of names and dates when and if ..to much info to bore others! Many thanks, Steve

Hiya, Bigamy. Everytime I hear that word (not often, I have to say!) it always reminds me of truly dreadful word-play jokes, including that one from 'Carry on Cleo' where Kenneth Williams (as Ceasar) says "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!" Sorry, just had to say that. Well, last night I visited an elderly aunt (would have been yesterday afternoon but the exhaust fell off my car......) I showed her the printouts of the family tree that I've compiled (26 pages of A4 cut and pasted together!!!). She put me right about a number of dates and people, etc, then I asked about her grandfather. As I'd already learned, he was a bit of a rogue. On a Friday, he'd get his dole cheque and disappear until he'd drunk it all. Also, he'd go all round the valleys (and beyond?) selling an ointment he'd made. Actually, he'd get his daughters (my grandmother and her 3 sisters) to make, made of lard and various other ingredients - my aunt said it was very good! Again, he'd go off selling the stuff, and would drink all the profits..... My aunt told me that, on the day he died (1945) her mother gave her a piece of paper to take to the post office, on it was a list of people and a message for the post master to send as telegrams informing relatives of the death. This reminded her of a number of relatives, but she didn't know how they were related. Anyway, she overheard a couple of women talking of her grandfather, one not knowing who he was, so the other said "yes, you know him, he went to jail for bigamy" My aunt didn't know what this meant, but knew it wasn't a good thing, so didn't mention it to her mother or grandmother. It could be true, it could have been misheard, who knows! He could have been married before he married my great grandmother (1905, Swansea) of after. I know their first two daughters were born in Swansea (Llando) and then they moved to Cwmbach, Aberdare. Anyway, I don't know when or where this happened, but probably in Swansea, although it could have been anywhere in Glamorgan. If anyone has any idea as to how I could go about finding out I would absolutely love to hear from you!!! Diana

Hi Dianne, Not sure if this is him in the 1881 Census as this was the only William. J. Davies I found in Swansea. Dwelling: 1 Miers Street Census Place: Swansea St Thomas, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342293 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5363 Folio 131 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert DAVIES M 43 M Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Engine Fitter Sarah Ann DAVIES M 44 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Dressmaker David H. DAVIES U 16 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Joiner Robert J. DAVIES 14 M Newport Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Emma J. DAVIES 12 F Llansamet, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William J. DAVIES 10 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Brian Davies Swansea

Can anyone help me find info on William John Davies born in Cockett, Swansea, around 1870, he married Annie Boston-Downes, daughter of wealthy fish merchants from Berwick on Tweed. Can anyone help please? Dianne in Canada. diehard1967@home.com

Hi Janice, I too am researching Davies, although mine are from Cockett, Swansea, if yours origionated there could you get back to me please, Thanks Dianne, Canada. diehard1967@home.com