Hello Bonnie I have found a Roger Howells on the part of the 1891 census I have for Abercanaid Merthyr Tydfil. Roger is not such a common name linked to a Howells, he could belong to your family. Piece 4433 Folio 118 138 35 Nightingale Street Abercanaid Roger Howells Head married aged 34 Coal Miner born Aberdare Glam Mary Jane Howells wife aged 32 born Kidwelly Carmarthenshire Annie R Howells daughter aged 7 scholar born Merthyr Tydfil David C Howells son 9 months old born Merthyr Tydfil Regards Heather

Thanks Heather, but my Roger would be a Thomas. The Howells I have are Charlotte and William...Bonnie

<< Hi Mary, Just found these in the 1851 Census. I wonder if this lot are in your line there are only two Gregory families in wales that fit. All in the Timber trade also ???? 2465 1851 CENSUS OF YNYSLLWCHWR PARCEL. REF.H.O.107/2465, E.D.4A. Piece: 2465 Folio: 152 Schedule: 027 Address: RHOSILI GREGORY THOMAS HD M 37 SAWYER GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1814) GREGORY MARGRET WI M 47 SAWYER WIFE CMN LLANSTEPHAN (c1804) GREGORY RICHARD SO U 18 SAWYER GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1833) GREGORY DAVID SO - 15 SAWYER GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1836) GREGORY THOMAS SO - 12 SAWYER GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1839) GREGORY DANIEL SO - 9 AT HOME GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1842) GREGORY MARY DA - 4 AT HOME GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1847) GREGORY MARGRET DA - 6M AT HOME GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1850) (c1851) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- 2465 1851 CENSUS OF GLYNLLWCHWR PARCEL. REF.H.O.107/2465, E.D.4B. Piece: 2465 Folio: 166 Schedule: 095 Address: PENTRE BACH GREGORY JOHN HD M 42 JOINER GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1809) GREGORY HARRIET WI M 43 - CMN ? (c1808) GREGORY DANIEL SO U 19 JOINER (APP) GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1832) GREGORY JOHN SO U 16 JOINER (APP) GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1835) GREGORY HANNAH DA U 13 - GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1838) GREGORY CATHARINE DA U 11 - GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1840) GREGORY WILLIAM SO U 9 - GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1842) GREGORY THOMAS SO - 7 - GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1844) GREGORY HENRY SO - 2 - GLA LLANDEILO TALYBONT (c1849) Just a thought Happy hunting Brian Davies Swansea >>

Diana Sawyer, Tried to send message direct to you as requested but had problems, try contacting me on my home address and see what happens Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Gregory To: diana.sawyer1@ntlworld.co Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Family matters Hello cousin-in-law, how are you. This is all I have so far,on the Gregory's 1881 census 9 Bennett Street, Swansea Gregory family: Thomas age 43 Timber merchant Margaret age 41 " " " " John age 22 Sawmill engineer (Husbands grand father) Daniel age 21 Sawyer Margaret age 17 at home Thomas age15 Box maker Joseph age 13 scholar Christopher age 11 " Sarah age 9 " Elisabeth age 7 " Ruth age 6 " Rachel age 4 " Wm Edward age 1 John married Hannah Harris up here in, 1889 at Ince Parish church, Wigan, Lanc's. By which time he has himself as a Smelter, in 1881 they have 1 daughter Maggie, they go on to have Blodwyn or Blodwin / William & Thomas (Twins) / Elisabeth born 1892 / Charlotte born 1895 / Annie born 1896 / Christopher Henry born 1898 this was my father-in-law, I am still filling in the many gaps, the family are very vague on history although are always wanting to know the latest bit I have uncovered. Christopher Henry married Sarah Whittaker and had 5 children John who died as a baby, Robert (Bob) died a couple of years ago, Margaret, Evelyn and Roy who is looking over my shoulder as I write. He sends his love and hopes to meet up some time. He's just jealous as we went to a Skidmore family re union (My grandmother's side) last year. Please keep in touch. Mary

Hello Alwyn Thanks for the offer of help. the name is below on the first email. Howell Thomas who died 1st April 1841. Thanks again Heather From: Alwyn Jenkins B4ANY@swansea3.fsnet.co.uk To: WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Swansea] Burial records of Cocket Church or Caersalem Chapel!! Hello Heather, St.Peter's,Cockett was built in 1857 & the records are in Swansea Archives, as are St.John's. Caersalem Chapel records are probably in NLW Aberystwyth. The graveyard is very overgrown. What about Llangyfelach? If you give me the name I'll look as I have Llangyfelach's index. Heulwen From: "Heather Smith" heather.smith8@virgin.net To: WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: [Swansea] Burial records of Cocket Church or Caersalem Chapel!! Does anyone have the burial records of I think it is St Paul's at Cocket or Caersalem Chapel, please? I am searching for the burial of my Howell Thomas who died on 1st April 1841 at Pentregethen ion the parish of St John's. Thanks Heather

Hello Heather, St.Peter's,Cockett was built in 1857 & the records are in Swansea Archives, as are St.John's. Caersalem Chapel records are probably in NLW Aberystwyth. The graveyard is very overgrown. What about Llangyfelach? If you give me the name I'll look as I have Llangyfelach's index. Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: [Swansea] Burial records of Cocket Church or Caersalem Chapel!! > Does anyone have the burial records of I think it is St Paul's at Cocket or Caersalem Chapel, please? > > I am searching for the burial of my Howell Thomas who died on 1st April 1841 at Pentregethen ion the parish of St John's. > > Thanks Heather >

Hello Alwyn, Hope things are going well. Alwyn, sorry to "butt in" on your reply but I could not help but notice you mentioned that you had a burial index for Llangyfelach. I was wondering if the index went to 1891, I have been looking for the burial "spot" of a Benjamin Howell for quite sometime now. He died on February 21, 1891, (pre-deceased by his wife Sarah, when I do not know, yet :-). If you can help Alwyn, great, if not thanks so much for your time. B Benjamin lived on Neath Road, Landore, would you have any idea of what burial yards are in the area. Take care and all the best Sue Martin Prince George, B.C. Canada -----Original Message----- From: Alwyn Jenkins <B4ANY@swansea3.fsnet.co.uk> To: WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Swansea] Burial records of Cocket Church or Caersalem Chapel!! >Hello Heather, >St.Peter's,Cockett was built in 1857 & the records are in Swansea Archives, >as are St.John's. >Caersalem Chapel records are probably in NLW Aberystwyth. The graveyard is >very overgrown. >What about Llangyfelach? If you give me the name I'll look as I have >Llangyfelach's index. >Heulwen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> >To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:40 PM >Subject: [Swansea] Burial records of Cocket Church or Caersalem Chapel!! > > >> Does anyone have the burial records of I think it is St Paul's at Cocket >or Caersalem Chapel, please? >> >> I am searching for the burial of my Howell Thomas who died on 1st April >1841 at Pentregethen ion the parish of St John's. >> >> Thanks Heather >> > > >==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== >Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ >Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ >Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ >City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

I also have an interest in the Llanyfelach burial index. While you are looking at it could you check for the Howell(s) family? William Howells and Charlotte Howell Thomas who married David Thomas who's father was Roger. David and charlotte were married in Llanyfelach church on septemberr 22 1838. I am doing this search for my Dad, Donald Thomas, who will be 90 in December. thanks bonnie Thomas Foster, Voorheesville New York

Can anyone please help me find William John Davies, reportedly born in Cockett, Swansea, 14th Aug 1895ish. His mom died in childbirth and his dad remarried, His dad went on to have, Bobby, Sarah, Tommy, Annie, Ben, Davie, and Sue. All with the DAVIES surname. Thankyou Dianne in Canada. diehard1967@home.com

Hi Mary Do you have any info on your Gregory's further back than 1881? My gggrandfather William Jones married Maria Gregory in St Mary's Swansea, Maria was the daughter of Daniel Gregory and Sarah ?? She had several siblings one of which was named Thomas Gregory, I have no information on descendants of her siblings. John (Llanelli) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Gregory" <mary.gregory@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: [Swansea] Bennett Street : I have found my husbands grand father's family living at 9, Bennett Street, Landore, Swansea, in 1881. Thomas Gregory and his wife Margaret are Timber merchants and their son's are sawmill engineer/sawyer/box maker respectively. Any one know the area? Is it possible that the wood yard was at the home address or some where else? : : Mary (Merseyside) : : : ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== : Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ : Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ : Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ : City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm :

WOW!!!!!! We're related!!!!!! They had 16 children, the youngest, Blodwen GREGORY was my great grandmother!!!!!!!!!! Her only surviving daughter (my great aunt) has told me the names of some of her aunts and uncles, and told me some stories about them. Which one was your husband's grandfather? I have also found Thomas GREGORY's father, another Thomas also married to a Margaret, and their children. PLEASE contact me off list, I would love to hear from you! Diana (Cardiff) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Gregory <mary.gregory@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: [Swansea] Bennett Street > I have found my husbands grand father's family living at 9, Bennett Street, Landore, Swansea, in 1881. Thomas Gregory and his wife Margaret are Timber merchants and their son's are sawmill engineer/sawyer/box maker respectively. Any one know the area? Is it possible that the wood yard was at the home address or some where else? > > Mary (Merseyside) > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

I have found my husbands grand father's family living at 9, Bennett Street, Landore, Swansea, in 1881. Thomas Gregory and his wife Margaret are Timber merchants and their son's are sawmill engineer/sawyer/box maker respectively. Any one know the area? Is it possible that the wood yard was at the home address or some where else? Mary (Merseyside)

Hi List, can anyone help me please. My G.Gramps was William John DAVIES born in COCKETT, Swansea sometime around 1880ish. His mother died either in labour or shortly thereafter. His dad remarried. Around 1900s he married Annie BOSTON-DOWNES, she was the illigitimate daughter of wealthy fish merchants in Boston on Tweed or Berwick on Tweed. Anyway they lived at 75 Culfor Road, Loughor, all my life. G Gramps is burried somewhere in Swansea. I think they lived in Llanelli too. Some kind lister did send me a census report with William on it but unfortunately I inadvertantly erased it. Can anyone help me fill in some blanks. Oh they had kids too Elizabeth and Euphemia Jean. Thanks in advance Dianne in Canada. diehard1967@home.com

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Does anyone have the burial records of I think it is St Paul's at Cocket or Caersalem Chapel, please? I am searching for the burial of my Howell Thomas who died on 1st April 1841 at Pentregethen ion the parish of St John's. Thanks Heather

Thanks for this interesting bit of Devonald history. I wish my grandfather and his siblings were still alive so I could ask them questions! I'm just writing everything down, and hopefully the pieces of the puzzle will eventually come together! Thanks for taking the time to send this to me. Regards, Emily

I am researching Henry Robinson whose parents Joseph, a sea captain and Jane Rosser married in Swansea 1832.Is anyone there researching this family. Lola in Oz > > > > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

Can someone please help me? My great nanna was called Annie BOSTON-DOWNES, born 10th March 1873, out of wedlock, whoever raised her were wealthy fish merchants from somewhere on Tweed. She married William John DAVIES around 1890, He was born in Cockett, Swansea, his mother died in childbirth and his dad remarried. I can't find any record of them. I know that they lived at 75 Culfor Road, LOUGHOR, all my life and most of their married life. Can someone please tell me where to go from here . Thanks in advance Dianne, Canada. diehard1967@home.com

I thought I'd send this, as there was a message ages ago about a WILLIAM DEVONALD who was killed July 1908 whilst trying to board a moving train at Mumbles. Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: Diana <diana.sawyer1@ntlworld.com> To: <GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [glam] Devonald > Hiya, > > whilst helping Sue with her Elias family, I came across a DEVONALD marriage in Aberdare (parish church of St John). > > I know this name has been on the list recently, so if anyone is interested, here's the details: > > 1/2/1914 Elizabeth Jane Elias, 27, father = John Elias (dec.), groom = Joseph Devonald, 29, father = William Devonald > > Diana > > > ==== GLAMORGAN Mailing List ==== > "Pleasure is very seldom found where it is sought;our brightest blazes of gladness are commonly kindled by unexpected souls" Dr Johnson > This Mailing List is Independent of all Family History Societies > >

Hi List, I'm researching the COLE and WELLESBY families of Swansea. Alfred Arthur COLE was born in Swansea in 1823 to parents Thomas COLE and Harriett WELLESBY. Would love to hear from anybody researching these families. Alfred Arthur COLE emigrated to Australia sometime before 1854, where he married Selina BRACHER. Thanks, Vicki Melbourne, Australia