Hi to you all. Trying to find ways to crumble a 15 yr old brick wall. Would appreciate a look up for the following family group, or any member of it. The boy is whom I am interested in. I am hoping he turns out to be Thomas Morgan WILLIAMS who was born in Bristol in 1873 to Mary WILLIAMS, no father mentioned. In 1881 Census 9 Scyborfach St, Swansea Town. Glam Film 1342292, Refg RG11, Piece 5360, Folio127, Page 40. HAWKINS Samuel - h - mar - 28 - carpenter - b Gloucester HAWKINS Nanny - w - mar - 32 - b Newport Mon WILLIAMS Mary - mothinlaw - wid - 65 - b Perranarworthal, Cornwall WILLIAMS Thomas - vis - unm - 7 - scholar - b England. I am hoping Mary is Thomas's grandmother, our Thomas M lived in Bristol and worked at Temple Meads station, spoke with a Welsh accent, he was my husbands Grandfather. Family story is, he was taken in by somebody, but never officially adopted, legal adoption hadn't started this far back. Any help or advice greatly appreciated Vernon and Pat Cook in Grimsby, Lincs Researching; Devon; COCKRAM,CRUDGE,LAKE,FISHER, Somerset,WESTERN,LEE,TIBBS Lincolnshire; STEAD, SMITH, LEE, SCARBY, DUNNILL ,FREEBOROUGH ,ROSSINGTON ,METCALF(E) ,THOMPSON Yorkshire; STEAD, SMITH, JARVIS, THOMPSON, DUNNILL/HILL Hunts; SMITH, ELLIS Notts. WATERFIELD Bristol; COOK.LEE,WILLIAMS.WESTERN,ALLEN

On 3 Jun 2002, at 8:47, Leslie Buckle wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This is my first visit to your list. > > First may I apologies for being verbose, but there is no simple way of > explaining my problem. > > I am seeking EVAN OWEN PRICE > > I know that he married SARAH JANE SAVAGE born 1880 (calculated from > 1881 Census) in Clarbeston, Pembroke , Wales. > > They had to my knowledge only one son - REGINALD SAVAGE PRICE born > 24/3/1907 in Teglum, Robeston Wathen, Pembroke. > > Reginald's birth certificate, providing the above details. > > A search of the 1881 Census found only one EVAN PRICE aged 6, who was > living in ST James St, Narberth, with his grandmother - MARY HARRIES > and Great Grandfather - THOMAS MORGAN > > On the assumption that this was my Evan, I commissioned a PRO search > for his birth certificate (I live on a tiny dot in the Mediterranean, > and cannot do my own searches), but to no avail. Either his stated age > (at census) is way out or he was not born in Narberth or Pembroke come > to that. > > I have no knowledge as to the whereabouts of EVAN'S mother or father > at the time of the 1881 census! > > They were not in Pembroke as far as I can ascertain! > > It has been suggested to me that they may have strayed into Swansea? > > Hence I am seeking any help you may be able to offer > > Regards from Gozo > > Les Buckle > Les, You need to obtain the marriage certificate of Evan Owen PRICE and Sarah Jane SAVAGE. This is the only sure way to ensure they were indeed married and confirm the name of Evan's father. The rest should be plain sailing (probably not !) You need to ascertain Evan's date of birth. Without this you could spend ages chasing someone who may have been younger than his wife and did not therefore appear on the 1881 census. Cheers Peter

Hi Folks, This is my first visit to your list. First may I apologies for being verbose, but there is no simple way of explaining my problem. I am seeking EVAN OWEN PRICE I know that he married SARAH JANE SAVAGE born 1880 (calculated from 1881 Census) in Clarbeston, Pembroke , Wales. They had to my knowledge only one son - REGINALD SAVAGE PRICE born 24/3/1907 in Teglum, Robeston Wathen, Pembroke. Reginald's birth certificate, providing the above details. A search of the 1881 Census found only one EVAN PRICE aged 6, who was living in ST James St, Narberth, with his grandmother - MARY HARRIES and Great Grandfather - THOMAS MORGAN On the assumption that this was my Evan, I commissioned a PRO search for his birth certificate (I live on a tiny dot in the Mediterranean, and cannot do my own searches), but to no avail. Either his stated age (at census) is way out or he was not born in Narberth or Pembroke come to that. I have no knowledge as to the whereabouts of EVAN'S mother or father at the time of the 1881 census! They were not in Pembroke as far as I can ascertain! It has been suggested to me that they may have strayed into Swansea? Hence I am seeking any help you may be able to offer Regards from Gozo Les Buckle

Hello, This is my first posting to the list. My interest is in David BOWEN, a furnace man, from Swansea, who married Alice SELF in 1886. They had a son, William Cyril BOWEN born Swansea 1887. In the 1891 Census for Burry Port area, Carmarthenshire, William Cyril BOWEN, aged 3, is listed as a lodger at the home of my great-grandparents, David and Mary DAVIES (nee THOMAS), in Hands Row, Dyfatty. Where are his parents, David and Alice BOWEN? Any help re this couple would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Cynthia Collison

Thanks I thought I had gone off the list. Regards Anne W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn Jenkins" <B4ANY@swansea3.fsnet.co.uk> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Swansea] Queeries > The last Digest mode list was on 24 May. > Heulwen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne P Wigglesworth" <anne.wigglesworth@btinternet.com> > To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:38 AM > Subject: [Swansea] Queeries > > > > Can somebody please tell me why I do not get any mail from this site. I > registered on to the listings and for the last ten day's have not rec any > mail. > > Regards Anne Wigglesworth > > > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm >

Hi Anne,Were All Here & Searching, Best to you ..lee

The last Digest mode list was on 24 May. Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne P Wigglesworth" <anne.wigglesworth@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: [Swansea] Queeries > Can somebody please tell me why I do not get any mail from this site. I registered on to the listings and for the last ten day's have not rec any mail. > Regards Anne Wigglesworth >

Can somebody please tell me why I do not get any mail from this site. I registered on to the listings and for the last ten day's have not rec any mail. Regards Anne Wigglesworth

Hello All, Any one please got a copy of above census i am looking for POLLARDS of either Loughor or Wainarlwydd, Andrew and Sarah is who I am looking for.TIA. Regards

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One of my g grandfathers has given me a lot of problems, but I think I may be getting somewhere at last. From his children's birth certifcates and the 1891 / 1901 censuses, I've found out that: his name was was John Davies, sometimes given as David John Davies; his birth year was either 1853 or 1854, probably the latter; his probable place of birth was Swansea as on the 1891 Census (not Clovelly, his wife's birthplace, as stated on the 1901 Milford Haven Census); he was a "marine fireman" in Swansea in 1882, when he lived at 81 Watkin St., and when his first son, Matthew John, was born; he was a "steam tug engine driver" in Swansea in 1890, when he lived at 76 Fuel Rd. (renamed Pentreguinea Rd. by 1891), St.Thomas, when his first daughter, Ada Gertrude, was born. Between April 1891 (Census) and October 1892 (birth of my grandmother) the family moved to Milford Haven. I can't find his marriage to Mary Jewell on the GRO Index, but I know from Clovelly parish records that they didn't marry there. Neither can I find a likely Mary Jewell or Mary Davies on the 1881 Census, though the likeliest John Davies is living at Pillar Treboeth, Penderry, in 1881. If so, his father was Matthew, a coalminer, (which fits with his son's name), and he was then a "Rollerman (Tin)". So it seems that between April 1881 (Census) and April 1882 (birth of first son), he got married (or just began to live with) Mary Jewell, changed his job, and moved into the Mount Pleasant area of Swansea. Can anyone add any background details to this (eg, the tinplate works where he might have been working, the tug firm he might have worked for), or suggest likely further lines of enquiry? I'd particularly like to find out whether he did make an honest woman of Mary (especially as some of my elderly aunts are getting very nervous and touchy about this), not least because that should confirm or reject my hypothesis about his 1881 Penderry parents. And what is the meaning of the address "Pillar Treboeth"? Barry Johnson Monmouthshire.

Hi Tom, Thanks for trying anyway I will have to look further. Regards Anne Wigglesworth ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tomthechair@aol.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Swansea] Swansea Place of Marriage > Hello,Ann, > The only place I know other than Middleton Place which has the 1861 Swansea > census is the West Glamorgan RO in Swansea. I wish I could get hold of it > myself. > Sorry, > Tom > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm >

Hello,Ann, The only place I know other than Middleton Place which has the 1861 Swansea census is the West Glamorgan RO in Swansea. I wish I could get hold of it myself. Sorry, Tom

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To Brian Davies Thank you so much for this information. It would have taken me for ever to discover the 1851 stuff. Someone else has told me that there are NURSEs in Cardiff as well, so they seen to have got around a bit since 1851. I've been in the doldrums with this family for months (got fed up trying to find my nains grandparents, Elizabeth and John Thomas in Llanelli) but now I feel spurred into action. Thanks again Denise

Here's some more on Nurse Family, M.I's Albert David Died Jan 12 1978 aged 80yrs Machen lower, St Michael Ann Died Jan 29 1837 aged 10 Whitchurch, St Mary, old yard. Ann Died Feb 1 1902 aged 77 Cefn hengoed, Welsh baptist Catherine Died Nov 21 1838 aged 48 Whitchurch, St Mary. Emma Died Sept 24 1970 aged 78 Machen lower. St Michael George died Mar 12 1855 aged 66 Whitchurch, St Michael John Died Jul 03 1893 aged 88 Cowbridge, Holly cross William died Jan 08 1817 aged 5 whitchurch, St Mary Hope this helps Brian Davies

Hi Denise, Not sure if this is of any use but there were only five Nurse families living in wales in 1851 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE CATHERINE DA U 20 MON PONTYPOOL 2454 263 152 NR LLANDAFF YARD NURSE CATHERINE VR U 22 GLA - 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE CHARLOTTE DA U 16 MON PONTYPOOL 2455 615 004 GABALFA NURSE ELIZA WI M 59 GLA WHITCHURCH 2454 232 103 UPPER VILLAGE NURSE GEORGE SO - 10 GLA WHITCHURCH 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE GEORGE SO U 23 MON PONTYPOOL 2455 615 004 GABALFA NURSE GEORGE HD M 64 GLA WHITCHURCH 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE HANNAH WI M 53 MON ABERCARN 2454 232 103 UPPER VILLAGE NURSE JAMES SO - 8 GLA WHITCHURCH 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE JAMES HD M 60 GLS - 2463 042 093 JERSEY TERRACE 10 NURSE JANE WI M 55 GLA MELINGRIFFITH [WHITCHURCH] 2463 042 093 JERSEY TERRACE 10 NURSE JOHN HD M 52 GLA MELINGRIFFITH [WHITCHURCH] 2454 232 103 UPPER VILLAGE NURSE MARIA HD W 32 GLA WHITCHURCH 2454 169 007 MACHEN WORKS NURSE WILLIAM SO U 12 GLA NEWBRIDGE [PONTYPRIDD] 2463 042 093 JERSEY TERRACE 10 NURSE WILLIAM SO U 19 MON ABERSYCHAN Brian Davies Swansea

Hello Listers I've just subscribed to this list so I thought I would post my interests. I'm researching the NURSE family tree. My nain was Elizabeth Annie NURSE, b. Llanelli 1900, but her ancestors seem to have worked their way west through towns in South Wales. I have found some on the 1881 census living in Swansea and Newport. Denise Berkshire

Dear Listers I received the Marriage Certificate of one my Grandfather's older brother's marriage. Name: Albert James CONIBEAR, He was married in Zion Chapel Gain Street Swansea District of Swansea in the Counties of Swansea and Glamorgan He was a Bachelor, and Bible Christian Minister. Father Greorge CONIBEAR Married August 1893 to Helena Mary WEBBER, Spinster, Father Thomas WEBBER. Grocer Witness: A. WEBBER C.T. Warmington Bertha LETHEREN (niece) Ellen Sing. I do know there was one child of this Union Allen James Conibear who also became a Minister. Is there any possible way of finding out if there were more children? Does the Zion Chapel still stand. ? Could there possibly be anyone researching this family? Thanks Sincerely Elsie Person nee elsieperson@shaw.ca Conibear Canada

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