Listers, Would some kind person look up 1891 Census for Swansea for me, please? I am trying to locate David BOWEN, furnaceman, and his wife Alice. I have asked previously, but unfortunately had no replies. Here's hoping. Kind regards, Cynthia, Australia

Hi Ken I looked at Trafalgar Terrace, Swansea on the 1891 census today and could not see any JENKS. The ref. is RG12/4478, enumeration districts 7 and 8 on fiche 1 of the piece. At no. 53, which must have been quite a large house, the head of household was Alex F AUSTIN, Ship Builder, b Swansea, Glam. There were a number of residents - I didn't count but about 10 or 12 - including a visitor, J T KEAT, married, 52, born Port Isaac, Cornwall, who I took note of because that was where my Swansea ancestors came from, though I can't connect her as yet. I would hope that his name might turn up in 1891 Kelly's Directory, with an alternative address, if he remained a lodging house keeper. Trafalgar Terrace still stands. Best wishes Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ enks_1 <KJenks1@Rochester.rr.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:31 AM Subject: [Swansea] 1891Census Lookup > Hi List, > > Could SKS do a lookup for me on the 1891 Census. > > I am looking for Thomas JENKS-Head age 79 > Margaret JENKS-Wife age 69 > Nellie JENKS-Granddaughter age 16 > > The 1881 Census had them living in Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales, at 53 Trafalger Terr.. > Thomas's Occupation was Lodging House Keeper. > > Any information would be Greatly Appreciated. > Thank you in advance. > > Kenneth R. Jenks > kjenks1@rochester.rr.com > > Researching; > Jenks - England & Wales > Wright - England > > ______________________________

Hi Bernard I looked at 1891 Census today. Could not find Convent Terrace, Swansea, as it was not in the street index, but looked closely at Convent Street. They were quite small dwellings, with only 4 rooms occupied. No. 34 was David JONES, 48, General Labourer, wife Sarah 48, daughter Sarah A 16 and brother William 37, Haulier, Copper Works. All were born Swansea. RG12/4480 Enumeration District 23 on fiche 3 of the Piece. There was no TOY/TOI in Convent Street. In the Convent itself, in the 'marital state' column, for all the nuns there was an entry running up the page 'Members of the Community'. Sorry you have yet another setback in your quest. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernard Alexander <moonraker00@msn.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: [Swansea] 1891 Census Look-up please > Hi List, > > I've just received a birth cert for Christopher George TOI; parents John and Edith. He was born on the 25 March 1887 at 34, Convent Terrace, Swansea. I'm hoping that they were still living there in 1891. Could SKS check this out for me. Many thanks. > > Regards, > > Bernard > Phoenix, AZ >

Now that I've found the HOLLETT'S on the 1901 census as living in Pontycymer in the Garw Valley,I wonder if a kind person who has access to the 1891 census be prepared to check the census to see where they were in 1891 . In 1881 they were in Swansea and were down as Hallett's Henry Hollett aged abt.40 born Newfoundland Canada. Mary Hollett wife aged abt 40 born Portland Dorset. George Hollett son .b.Plymouth William Hollett son .B.Plymouth Harry Hollett son .b.Plymouth There could be more sons/daughters and poss another Mary Hollett aged about 79 born Coombe Martin Devon Many Thanks , Buddug Hollett

Fran, I am not hundred percent convinced that this is them. Thanks anyway. Katrina

Might this be the family? Dwelling: 20 New Oxford St Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342292 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5362 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David THOMAS M 34 M Brecknock, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Assurance Agent Ann THOMAS M 35 F Mount Ash, Radnorshire, Wales Rel: Wife Margaret Ann THOMAS 11 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Evan THOMAS 6 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth Jane THOMAS 3 F Treorky, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur John Wm. JONES U 28 M Brecknock, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Collector Wm.John GOLDSWORTHY U 23 M Devon, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Dairyman

Hi I was wondering if someone could look up the 1881 census for me in regards to a David Thomas wife Ann. We have them living in Swansea in 1881. I believe either him or his wife were born in Mount Ash. They had around 5 children by 1881 one of them being Evan Thomas born 1874. If someone could pass on the information contained on the census I would be really grateful. Regards Katrina Crute cruteft@bigpond.com

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Looking for information on the families of David Lewis Evans b. abt 1886 Swansea, d. Perth Amboy, New Jersy, USA m. Zella Anne Davies b. Swansea d. Swansea. They had three children: John (Ioan) Lewis Evans b. March 15, 1896 Swansea, d. Mar 16, 1964 Edison, New Jersey, USA; Mary Evans b. 1898 Swansea d. Ohio ?, and Anne Evans b. 1900 Swansea d. Swansea. The two older children joined their father to America after the death of their mother. The youngest child was adopted and remained in Wales. Thankyou, Carol hopeless@dmv.com

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Hi List, Could SKS do a lookup for me on the 1891 Census. I am looking for Thomas JENKS-Head age 79 Margaret JENKS-Wife age 69 Nellie JENKS-Granddaughter age 16 The 1881 Census had them living in Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales, at 53 Trafalger Terr.. Thomas's Occupation was Lodging House Keeper. Any information would be Greatly Appreciated. Thank you in advance. Kenneth R. Jenks kjenks1@rochester.rr.com Researching; Jenks - England & Wales Wright - England

Hi List, I've just received a birth cert for Christopher George TOI; parents John and Edith. He was born on the 25 March 1887 at 34, Convent Terrace, Swansea. I'm hoping that they were still living there in 1891. Could SKS check this out for me. Many thanks. Regards, Bernard Phoenix, AZ

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Hi The Times seems to have got the name wrong. In two major reports in the 'Cambrian' newspaper in consecutive weeks in May 1881 the name of the accused is clearly MAZEY, including in a headline. This on the authority of one of the volunteer team indexing the 'Cambrian' at Swansea library. Please let me know if a full copy of the lengthy reports is wanted. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Stella Watkin <stella.watkin@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: [Swansea] Gazey/Mazey murder C May 16 1881 Trial Swansea Assizes > Hi folks > > I am trying to help someone in Canada find out more about her GAZEY > relatives and can't find a trace of these brothers, Benjamin, David, who > were on trial for murder in Swansea in the 1881 census (or mother Jane): > > THE TIMES, MONDAY, May 16, 1881 > > CHARGE OF MURDER AGAINST TWO CHILDREN. > At Swansea Assizes, before Mr. Justice Cave, Benjamin Gazey aged 11 and > David Gazey, age nine, were on Saturday indicted for the wilful murder of > John Thomas, aged ten, and Jane Gazey, mother of the prisoners, was charged > as an accessory after the fact. The deceased, son of a shoemaker at > Kidwelly, had been sent with a pair of boots, for which he received 10s. He > was last seen alive entering the prisoners' house by the side of the high > road. Search being made, his body was found two days afterwards in a ditch > at the back of the house, the skull being entirely beaten in. The three > prisoners told a story to the effect that deceased had fallen from a swing > and had been killed and that they buried him, being terrified ; but medical > evidence showed that the injuries could not have been so caused. The > prisoners were found in possession of the change for the half-sovereign > which deceased has received. About 20 witnesses were examined. The Judge > summed up impartially, and the jury, after some consideration, returned a > verdict of acquittal. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Would anyone who lives in Swansea do her the great favour of looking at the > local Swansea/Kidwelly newspaper for the date circa May 16 1881, to see if > there are more details. > > > I've now found the Gazey family in 1881 census awaiting trial in Carmarthen prison, entered as Mazey in error?: > > Institution: "H. M. Prison" Spillman St > Census Place: Carmarthen St Peter, Carmarthen, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342300 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5397 Folio 78 Page 11 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > William HENDON U 19 M Bradford, York, England > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Shoemaker > Ann MORSE M 55 F Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Needlewoman > Ellen JONES U 57 F Amlwch, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Hawker > John EDWARDS U 19 M Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > David THOMAS M 45 M Blaenfoes, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Shopkeeper (Grocer) > William JONES M 21 M Llanstephan, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > James THOMAS M 34 M Carmarthen, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Hawker > William ROBINSON M 33 M Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Mason > Thomas WILLIAMS M 22 M Aberystwith, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Stone Polisher (Mason) > William HARLEY U 30 M Southampton, Sussex, England > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Tailor ((Tatlor)) > Jane DAVIES U 31 F Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: General Serv > Aaron THOMAS U 22 M Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Engine Driver > William DAVIES M 40 M Penally, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > William THOMAS M 35 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Ship Carpenter > John THOMAS W 29 M Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Groom > William H. SUTTON M 53 M Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Clerk > John FRANCIS U 39 M Scotland > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Tailor > David MORRIES M 33 M Llandilo Fawr, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Blacksmith > Evan DAVIES W 25 M Penbryn, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > Jane MAZEY M 34 F Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Dressmaker > David MAZEY 11 M Llanelly, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Sholar > Benjamin MAZEY 9 M Llanelly, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Scholar > David BOWEN M 44 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Shoemaker > William GRIFFITHS U 20 M Merthyr Tydvil, Wales > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > John PARNALL U 30 M Bath, Gloucester, England > Rel: Prisoner > Occ: Labourer > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > I believe this is the family that lost John Thomas in Kedwelly: > Census Place: Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342296 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5377 Folio 71 Page > 32 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > David THOMAS M 52 M Llandefeilog, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Shoemaker > Sarah THOMAS M 50 F Llangendeirn, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Wife > Ann THOMAS 17 F Llandefeilog, Carmarthen, Wales > Catherine THOMAS 15 F Llandefeilog, Carmarthen, Wales > Sami THOMAS 8 M Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > or this one? > Dwelling: Old Chapel > Census Place: Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342296 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5377 Folio 79 Page > 4 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Evan THOMAS M 41 M St Ishmael, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Boot & Shoa Maker > Lettice THOMAS M 39 F St Ishmael, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Wife > Occ: Boot & Shoe Maker Wife > Mary THOMAS U 20 F St Ishmael, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Employed at Tinworks > Jane THOMAS 12 F Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Lettice THOMAS 7 F Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Peter THOMAS 5 M Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > William THOMAS 2 M Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales > Rel: Son > > (If anyone needs any 1881 census, Vital Records II, Pigot's London 1825, PO > London 1850, First Fleet 1788 to Aus lookups, Bedfordshire Wills, I would be > more than pleased to help you) > > -- > > Cheerio Stella in Deepest Beds > stella.watkin@ntlworld.com > > St Albans > http://www.stella.watkin.ukgateway.net/stalbans > Luton Comes Alive > http://www.stella.watkin.ukgateway.net/ >

-----Original Message----- From: WLS-SWANSEA-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:WLS-SWANSEA-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:02 PM To: WLS-SWANSEA-D@rootsweb.com Subject: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #101

Greetings from the Land o' the Maple Leaf. Yesterday I received a copy of the death certificate of my 2x g-grandmother. Lettice or Letitia MATTHEW[S] who died in 1862 aged 70. Is anyone else researching her family? Her huband was William MATTHEWS - spellings vary MATHEW/MATTHEW - a copperman. Addresses are Swansea areas of St. Johns/Trevivian. MATTHEW children are: My g-grandmother Elizabeth b. circa 1836 Mary Thomas Jane Ann Margaret John Eleanor William Harriett Ann THOMAS - granddaughter Mary Ann HALE - granddaughter Best wishes Diana-in-Canada Researching: ARROWSMITH/Stockton/Hartlepool/Co Durham/UK Any DRYSDALE/Stockton/Hartlepool/Co Durham/Glamorgan/UK Any GOLDFINCH/Kent/UK Any HALL/Joseph & family/Manchester area/UK/circa1850 HAMBROOK/Kent/UK Any JARRETT/Shropshire/UK Any LLOYD/Mumbles/Oystermouth/Wales/1600+ NICHOLAS/Swansea & Mumbles/Oystermouth/Wales/1600+ WEBSTER/Ashby-De-La-Zouch & Bury/Lancs/England/18C+

Hi Birth was registered in Swansea Registration District 1st quarter of 1881. If you want to order direct from the GRO the reference number is Swansea 11a 641 Best wishes Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Lomax, Val <VLomax@plymco.co.uk> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: [Swansea] Pascoe > Would SKS be able to look up the birth of a Mary Ann Pascoe sometime > around Jan 28th 1881, in Swansea > > Thank you > > > Val Lomax. > IMPORTANT > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. Only the intended recipient is authorised to access it. If > you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender straight > away and delete any copies. Unauthorised use dissemination, > distribution, publication or copy of this communication is prohibited. > Check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses before opening. >

Re-posting interests: Dockwra mill, somewhere in Swansea, had a rolling mill installed in 1697 (allegedly the first in Wales) and made brass pins. Does anyone know more about it, where it was situated or which Dockwra owned it? Any snippets very welcome, thanks :-) -- Cheers, Anne mailto:docwras@yahoo.co.uk http://resource.at/docwra Docwra Family Research Project

Would SKS be able to look up the birth of a Mary Ann Pascoe sometime around Jan 28th 1881, in Swansea Thank you Val Lomax. IMPORTANT The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. Only the intended recipient is authorised to access it. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender straight away and delete any copies. Unauthorised use dissemination, distribution, publication or copy of this communication is prohibited. Check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses before opening.

By chance I can give you the family at no. 91 Watkin Street. If you search for one of them - eg Pascoe, an unusual forename - then when you find them go for the 'neighbours' button. I don't have 1881 census and have only used it in archives, so am not very familiar with it. I think there is also a Help button. Jeff PS If anyone is connected to this family, please contact me - we might be distant relatives. 1881 census> Dwelling: 91 Watkin St > Census Place: Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342292 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5361 Folio 17 Page > 28 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Benjamin DAVIES M 38 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Shipwright (Wood) > Jennifer A. DAVIES M 34 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Wife > Occ: Shipwright Wife > Elizabeth M. DAVIES U 12 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Benjamin R. DAVIES U 11 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Edith A. DAVIES U 10 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Pascoe B. DAVIES U 8 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Thomas H. DAVIES U 7 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Jenifer A. DAVIES U 5 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Margaret D. DAVIES U 3 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Charles R. DAVIES U 2 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Johnson <barry.johnson1@virgin.net> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: [Swansea] Watkin Street in 1881 Census > I have the 1881 Census on CD-ROM, and I want to look up the occupants of no.81. > > Can anyone tell me how to find it on the CD-ROM - without having to search through the whole of Swansea! > > Barry Johnson > Monmouthshire >