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    1. [Swansea] Ystrad
    2. Lyn Nunn

    3. Hi All I am new to the list as I have just discovered my links to Swansea, though I had suspicions for a while. My interests lay in the names LEYS(H)ON and BEAVAN from a marriage in Llansamlet in 1807. The groom was a surgeon in Llansamlet and they left Wales in about 1810. I have discovered the bride's father's Will. He was Thomas Leyson Esquire of Ystrad in the parish of Swansea County Glamorgan. He was quite a substantial landholder both in Glamorgan, Carmarthenshire and Surrey. I have been trying to find information about the history of Ystrad but with little luck so far. I have found reference to Ystradgynlais in the Swansea area - is this the same place? Any pointers would be most welcome. Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia lyn@webexpress.net.au lnunn@optusnet.com.au

    11/14/2002 11:51:57
    1. Re: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area

    3. Hello,Heather, I have checked the St Mary's registers and William is not buried there.I think he will have been buried in St John's,now St Matthews, the registers of which are at the West Glamorgan R.O in Swansea. Regards, Tom

    11/14/2002 02:50:34
    1. Re: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area
    2. Alwyn Jenkins

    3. Hi Heather, Have you tried Swansea City Council Cemeteries Dept.? Possibly buried Danygraig Cemetery. Outside chance St.Mary's Church or St.John's Church(now known as St.Matthews). The burial registers for the last 2 are in Swansea Archives. Good Hunting Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:42 AM Subject: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area > Good morning, Everyone > > I am searching for the burial of my ancestor William Raynor or Rayner > between 1845 and 1851. > > On the 1841 census William is living in the Gomerian Buildings in Swansea > aged 70 years living on independent means. Ages at that time were rounded up > or down to the nearest 5 years. > > Enumeration District given as 7 Swansea Town. Some where near Goat Street. > > Can you inform me where William Rayner was likely to have been buried, > please? > > Thank you very much > > Kind regards > > Mrs Heather Smith in Yorkshire > > > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

    11/13/2002 12:49:36
    1. [Swansea] ADMIN MESSAGE
    2. Pat Connors

    3. Please, if you are subscribed to this list at work or at home and you have an automatic message that goes out when you are not in to tell someone who has sent you and email, that you are not in the office or home, unsub from the list before going away or don't join the list. Today, was the second time within a month were I have been hit with hundreds of email caught up with computers talking to computers. The first time I was away for a day and came home to over 1,000 bounce messages sent to me! What happens is the automatic messager, when they get a post from the list, sends out the "I am away from the office" message to the list. Rootsweb's computer then sends them "help email" because the message wasn't addressed properly. When the help message is sent, I get a copy of the "I am away from the office message". When the "help" message is received at the office, the messager sends another "I am away from the office message", then rootsweb send "help" and I get a copy..... This morning I just receive over 100 messages and I was away from the computer for only 2 hrs. I immediately unsubbed the person because I recognized what happened. The first time I thought it was a virus or something. I have put the subber on a reject list so he/she will not be able to sub again without going to me first and he/she will have to assure me, the automatic message answerer is shut off. Thanks for you cooperation. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, listowner http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002

    11/13/2002 04:58:21
    1. [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area
    2. Heather Smith

    3. Good morning, Everyone I am searching for the burial of my ancestor William Raynor or Rayner between 1845 and 1851. On the 1841 census William is living in the Gomerian Buildings in Swansea aged 70 years living on independent means. Ages at that time were rounded up or down to the nearest 5 years. Enumeration District given as 7 Swansea Town. Some where near Goat Street. Can you inform me where William Rayner was likely to have been buried, please? Thank you very much Kind regards Mrs Heather Smith in Yorkshire

    11/12/2002 11:42:12
    1. Re: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area
    2. Anne P Wigglesworth

    3. Hi Heulwen, Thank you very much for you info re Graveyards I am based in Yorkshire but will have to try and get down there one of these days, my brother in Law lives at Harlech and we are going to continue down some time to try and find all this info. Regards Anne Wigglesworth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn Jenkins" <B4ANY@swansea3.fsnet.co.uk> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area Hello Anne, About 1½-2 miles from Waunarlwydd, is Bethlehem,Cadle Chapel,Fforestfach. That is an Independant(Annibynnwyr) Chapel. There was a Libanus Chapel in Waunarlwydd, but I'm not sure if it had a burial ground or it's denomination. There is also a Chapel burial ground in Gowerton, but am not sure of name. Gowerton is about 1½ miles west of Waunarlwydd. Hope this helps Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne P Wigglesworth" <anne.wigglesworth@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area > Hello All, > I wonder if some one could help me I am looking for a burial ground near Waunarlwydd and I found an address but it is not complete alI I have got is as follows: > BURYING GROUND OF INDEPENDANTS C---------- > The family concerned are Quakers but there was not a burial ground near then ,the year was 1863 > Thanks if any one can help. > Regards Anne Wigglesworth > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm

    11/12/2002 02:01:45
    1. Re: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area
    2. Alwyn Jenkins

    3. Hello Anne, About 1½-2 miles from Waunarlwydd, is Bethlehem,Cadle Chapel,Fforestfach. That is an Independant(Annibynnwyr) Chapel. There was a Libanus Chapel in Waunarlwydd, but I'm not sure if it had a burial ground or it's denomination. There is also a Chapel burial ground in Gowerton, but am not sure of name. Gowerton is about 1½ miles west of Waunarlwydd. Hope this helps Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne P Wigglesworth" <anne.wigglesworth@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area > Hello All, > I wonder if some one could help me I am looking for a burial ground near Waunarlwydd and I found an address but it is not complete alI I have got is as follows: > BURYING GROUND OF INDEPENDANTS C---------- > The family concerned are Quakers but there was not a burial ground near then ,the year was 1863 > Thanks if any one can help. > Regards Anne Wigglesworth > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

    11/12/2002 12:53:35
    1. [Swansea] Burial grounds in the Swansea area
    2. Anne P Wigglesworth

    3. Hello All, I wonder if some one could help me I am looking for a burial ground near Waunarlwydd and I found an address but it is not complete alI I have got is as follows: BURYING GROUND OF INDEPENDANTS C---------- The family concerned are Quakers but there was not a burial ground near then ,the year was 1863 Thanks if any one can help. Regards Anne Wigglesworth

    11/11/2002 05:33:04
    1. [Swansea] Howell Davies[Diehard]

    3. Thankyou very much for the information. Will follow this up.Alun

    11/03/2002 06:45:08
    1. [Swansea] Howell Davies
    2. Diehard

    3. Someone was looking for Howell Davies, the first one I found interesting because he was boarding with a Williams, I beleive the lister mentioned a wife Margaret Williams. Anyway, I have no ties to this family, but thought I'd send this from the 1881 census. Dwelling: 29 Thomas St. Census Place: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342281 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5321 Folio 13 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Evan EVANS W 35 M Conwil Elvet, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Collier Mary EVANS U 12 F Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Hannah EVANS U 8 F Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Margaret Jane EVANS U 6 F Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary BEVAN U 33 F Brynaman, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Housekeeper Margaret BEVAN U 13 F Llanboidy, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Daur Occ: Housekeeper William WILLIAMS U 23 M Llanboidy, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Labourer Howell DAVIES U 20 M Trelech, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Labourer Dwelling: Rhydnanterin Census Place: Blaenporth, Cardigan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342307 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5429 Folio 24 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Owen JONES M 51 M Llandugwydd, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Elizabeth JONES M 50 F Blaenporth, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Blacksmiths Wife Mary Anne JONES 13 F Blaenporth, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Eliza Ellen JONES 7 F Blaenporth, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Howell DAVIES U 18 M Trelech, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: Blacksmiths Servant Dianne West, listowner, diehard1967@shaw.ca DOWNES-L@rootsweb.com DOWNES-D@rootsweb.com SCARLETT-L@rootsweb.com SCARLETT-D@rootsweb.com

    11/02/2002 09:56:38
    1. Re: [Swansea] John J Davies
    2. Alwyn Jenkins

    3. Hi again Llangyfelach was/is the largest parish in Swansea. Heulwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diehard" <diehard1967@shaw.ca> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: [Swansea] John J Davies > Hi Everyone, with the help from Huelwyn, and Jeff, I believe I found my > William John Davies, here is my next request. WJ's dad was John J DAVIES. > according to the 1901 he was born 1871 or 2ish. The following census returns > are from the 1881 census, one John J born 72 one in 73. > Can anyone tell me if Llangyfelach, Glamorgan is a subdivision of Swansea, > if it's not do you think it would be safe to say the other one is mine. That > may be a daft question but I don't know how else to backtrack, that costs > little or better yet no money. > Dwelling: 60 Llangyfelach Road Bryn Terrace > Census Place: Clase, Glamorgan, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342289 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5352 Folio 57 Page > 108 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thomas DAVIES M 48 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Engine Fitter > Mary DAVIES M 50 F Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Wife > Occ: Engine Fitter Wife > Mary Ann DAVIES U 27 F Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Dressmaker > John Jones DAVIES U 9 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Morgan HARRY U 22 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Clerk > > > Dwelling: Nr Penuel > Census Place: Loughor, Glamorgan, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5370 Folio 60 Page > 53 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Ann DAVIES W 34 F Llangledwen, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Dressmaker > John J. DAVIES 8 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Thomas J. DAVIES 7 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Martha H. DAVIES 4 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Daur > William T. DAVIES U 16 M Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Nephew > Occ: Coal Miner > William FRANCIS M 37 M Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Blacksmith At Tinworks > > Dianne West, listowner, diehard1967@shaw.ca > DOWNES-L@rootsweb.com > DOWNES-D@rootsweb.com > SCARLETT-L@rootsweb.com > SCARLETT-D@rootsweb.com > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm > >

    11/02/2002 03:45:09
    1. [Swansea] John J Davies
    2. Diehard

    3. Hi Everyone, with the help from Huelwyn, and Jeff, I believe I found my William John Davies, here is my next request. WJ's dad was John J DAVIES. according to the 1901 he was born 1871 or 2ish. The following census returns are from the 1881 census, one John J born 72 one in 73. Can anyone tell me if Llangyfelach, Glamorgan is a subdivision of Swansea, if it's not do you think it would be safe to say the other one is mine. That may be a daft question but I don't know how else to backtrack, that costs little or better yet no money. Dwelling: 60 Llangyfelach Road Bryn Terrace Census Place: Clase, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342289 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5352 Folio 57 Page 108 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas DAVIES M 48 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Engine Fitter Mary DAVIES M 50 F Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Engine Fitter Wife Mary Ann DAVIES U 27 F Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker John Jones DAVIES U 9 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Morgan HARRY U 22 M Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Clerk Dwelling: Nr Penuel Census Place: Loughor, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5370 Folio 60 Page 53 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann DAVIES W 34 F Llangledwen, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Dressmaker John J. DAVIES 8 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas J. DAVIES 7 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Martha H. DAVIES 4 F Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur William T. DAVIES U 16 M Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Nephew Occ: Coal Miner William FRANCIS M 37 M Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Blacksmith At Tinworks Dianne West, listowner, diehard1967@shaw.ca DOWNES-L@rootsweb.com DOWNES-D@rootsweb.com SCARLETT-L@rootsweb.com SCARLETT-D@rootsweb.com

    11/01/2002 11:07:47
    1. Re: [Swansea] 1851 Collins Charles St, Swansea

    3. Hello, yes, there is a Daniel Collins living in Charles St. On the 1851 census. He is 40, a lodger living with a family called Coughlin. Honora Sullivan lived a few doors away. if this sounds right and you need any more info, drop me a line. cheers, Laurence

    10/31/2002 04:00:57
    1. [Swansea] 1851 Collins Charles St, Swansea
    2. Betsy Rubel

    3. I wonder if some one with access to 1851 census would be so kind as to tell me who was living at # 4 Charles Street, Swansea in 1851. If there is a Daniel Collins or a Nora/Honora any last name there??? Thanks so very much... Betsy Rubel beharu@attbi.com G O R V E T T pages http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/beharu/index1.html

    10/31/2002 02:33:09
    1. Re: [Swansea] Re: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #131
    2. John Jones

    3. Hi Don I have checked both the 1841 and 1851 census for Glamorgan for your Michael Leary born 1831 but could not find him. I found a Michael Leary born 1835 in Swansea still living in Swansea in 1841 (marked as age 6 in census). The 1841 was usual marked up or down in ages depending on whether the person was over or under 5, 15, 25, 35 etc., (someone aged 3 would be marked up as 5.) If you need more on this particular Michael Leary let me know. Regards John Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: DBJOLEARY@aol.com To: WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: [Swansea] Re: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #131 Where would I look for a MICHAEL LEARY born 1831 in Swansea? Thanks. Don O'Leary Indianapolis, IN USA ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002

    10/30/2002 11:46:18
    1. Re: [Swansea] Re: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #131
    2. Diehard

    3. Dwelling: 50 Halket Street Census Place: Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342271 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5283 Folio 41 Page 75 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Michael LEARY W 49 M Rel: Head Occ: Coal Trimmer Margret LEARY U 10 F Cardiff Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Michael LEARY U 10 M Cardiff Thats the only Michael, born in that time frame who was not from Ireland. Thats 1881 census. Dianne in Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DBJOLEARY@aol.com> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: [Swansea] Re: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #131 > Where would I look for a MICHAEL LEARY born 1831 in Swansea? > > Thanks. > > Don O'Leary > Indianapolis, IN > USA > > > ==== WLS-SWANSEA Mailing List ==== > Swansea History Site http://www.swanseahistoryweb.org.uk/ > Genuki Swansea Site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/ > Glamorgan Family History Society http://website.lineone.net/~glamfhsoc/ > City/County of Swansea http://www.swansea.gov.uk/default.htm >

    10/30/2002 10:41:00
    1. [Swansea] Re: WLS-SWANSEA-D Digest V02 #131

    3. Where would I look for a MICHAEL LEARY born 1831 in Swansea? Thanks. Don O'Leary Indianapolis, IN USA

    10/30/2002 03:39:16
    1. [Swansea] John Jones of Llansamlet
    2. J S Coleman

    3. Here they are in 1851 probably just married, no kids yet. 2464 1851 CENSUS OF FOXHOLE. REF.H.O.107/2464, E.D.7. Piece: 2464 Folio: 684 Schedule: 068 Address: FOXHOLE JONES JOHN HD M 31 COPPER REFINER GLA LLANSAMLET (c1820) JONES SARAH WI M 29 - GLA SWANSEA There was another John JONES age 31 in Llansamlet with a string of children and a different wife. "This lookup was made using material published by Glamorgan Family History Society, details of membership and their research service with a full list of published indexes and transcriptions for sale can be seen on http://www.glamfhs.org/ " Jeff Glam FHS 1287

    10/29/2002 03:43:16
    1. Re: [Swansea] Jones in 1861 Llansamlet
    2. J S Coleman

    3. 1861 census folio 60 p15 - Foxhole, Llansamlet John JONES Head 41 Copper Refiner b Glam Llansamlet Sarah wife 37 b Glam Swansea Jennet daur 9 Catherine daur 6 David son 5 all b Glam Llansamlet No other children. I found two other John JONES heads of families, both Coal Miners, but the rest of the details did not match. Given where he lived, I would hazard a guess that he worked at Upper Bank, Middle Bank or White Rock copper works, all three of which were active in 1851, the nearest date I have details of. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: cclark2 <cclark2@nd.edu> To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: [Swansea] Jones in 1861 Llansamlet > If anyone has access to the 1861 census for Llansamlet and is willing to take > a look for me, I'd be much obliged. I am looking for this family: > John JONES, head > [wife may be Sarah, age 39] > David, age 5 > Catherine, age 7 > Jennet, age 9 > Ages should be close. There may be other children. The three children listed > were born in Llansamlet. > > -- Chris Clark [g-grandson of Catherine] > South Bend, Indiana, USA > > ______________________________

    10/29/2002 09:54:28
    1. [Swansea] Raynor in Goat Street
    2. Heather Smith

    3. Could someone inform me if the 1861 census for Goat Street Swansea for my family list below has been completed yet, please? Piece 1426/04 Folio 030 Schedule 18 Census 1851 Goat Street Rayner family William HD M aged 46 Builder emp 20 men born 1805 Leic Leicester Martha Wife aged 49 born 1802 Ken New Romney Ellen DA U aged 19 born 1832 Swansea Glam William R SO U aged 18 born 1833 Swansea Glam Emma M DA U aged 13 born 1838 Swansea Glam Susan D DA U aged 11 scholar born 1840 Swansea Glam Gilmour G SO U aged 9 scholar born 1842 Swansea Glam Rhoda A DA U aged 6 scholar born 1845 Swansea Glam Jennette E Williams SV U aged 16 house servant born 1835 IOW Cowes Thanks very much Heather

    10/28/2002 03:58:03