Dear Richard, These things don't always fall into place. There are two possible James John each with a son named Frederick in the 1881 census...but neither exactly matches your information. James H. John, Relieving Officer (Munic.) and Small Farm., aged 42 born Johnston, lived at Bullford, Steynton, with his wife Sarah P. (born Johnston) and their 8 children including Fredc. M. John aged 6 born Steynton. Their eldest son, Joseph H., 20, was born in Sheerness Kent, so the family obviously moved around. The children's father, James, could have changed his occupation, particularly as also living with this family were Joseph John aged 76 born Roach, Pemb. a SHIPWRIGHT, and Martha John aged 69 born Camrose....designated as James' father and mother. There is no Maud amongst the children, though there is a 5 year old named Sarah M....perhaps they called her by her second name within the family to differentiate from her mother. Even though Sarah P. John living at Steynton was aged 43, she could, I guess, have had another child later named Maud. The other James John was aged 35, N.D.Coachman ..whatever that means...with wife Mary born Loveston aged 27 and Martha J. 29 months and Fredc. Wm. aged 9 months, i.e. born 1880, living at 31 Princes St., Pembroke St. Mary Perhaps you could investigate both these families in the 1891 census. A Joseph Johns married Martha Morris at Johnston on 22/03/1832....this may or may not be the Martha and Joseph in question as James was not born until around 7 years later. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard JOHNS" <richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Johns of Neyland > Seasons greetings to you all. > > I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any thing on the family would be really appreciated. > > I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. > > I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated August 6th 1909. > The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. > > Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. > > Richard Johns > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >