I am currently trying to trace a John Hart who married a Margaret Twigg in 1833 in Hayscastle. The marriage entry is very uninformative about the Groom other than he was a labourer However the 1851 census entry gives his age as 37 and place of birth as Talbenny. Armed with this information I have searched the Dyfed index for the Rhos hundred, but this does not record a John Hart being christened at the relevant time C1813. I know that my forbears were very uninventive in their choice of names but if anyone has stumbled across a John Hart C1813 I would be grateful for any information that might suggest a course of investigation. Nick Hart ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Dear Nick, John may never have been baptised, but the Talbenny church records should possibly be checked. Your John Hart married Margaret Twigg in 1833 at Hayscastle. I presume the parish register entry will have witness names which might give more clues, although you said it was uninformative. As John's age was 37 in 1851 census (birthplace Talbenny) it would seem likely that his parents were William Hart of Freystrop who married Mary Moy at Talbenny on 17th. July, 1813...so probably an end of 1813 baptism or 1814 ..even from July, 1813 if some of my ancestral line are anything to go by (I CAN count..but we are talking about Pembrokeshire!). A William Hart married Frances Philipps at Freystrop in 1780 (which might be a generation back for your line) and a John Hart married Elizabeth Morris at Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1792...so you can take your pick. There were other Hart marriages at Camrose and Steynton, but you seem to think that in your line the family names were repeated ad infinitum. If Mary Moy proves to be part of your ancestry, then a Benjamin Moy married Catherine Mackan at Hubberston in 1813 (05/06/1813)......he might be a brother or cousin to Mary and marrying in his bride's parish ...and perhaps if you investigated this marriage you might get similar witness names. A Francis Moy in 1782 married Mary Howell at St. Ishmaels....and this appears to be the only marriage which fits timewise. I have a slight interest in the Twigg name and that of Maccan (which might be Mackan) so would be interested to hear if you have anything further. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Harts in Pembroke > I am currently trying to trace a John Hart who married > a Margaret Twigg in 1833 in Hayscastle. The marriage > entry is very uninformative about the Groom other than > he was a labourer > However the 1851 census entry gives his age as 37 and > place of birth as Talbenny. > > Armed with this information I have searched the Dyfed > index for the Rhos hundred, but this does not record a > John Hart being christened at the relevant time > C1813. > > I know that my forbears were very uninventive in their > choice of names but if anyone has stumbled across a > John Hart C1813 I would be grateful for any > information that might suggest a course of > investigation. > > Nick Hart > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

Dear Bettye Well thanks for the information and sorry for the belated reply. But I have been going in circles over the last few weeks rather like the mythical bird with one short wing. The information is very much along the lines that I suspect but proving it is going to be an up hill struggle. In the IGI records William and Mary from Talbenny are recorded as having a daughter Elizabeth christened 24 May 1818. But no further information is forth coming. The church records are very silent about Liz as well. Seemingly there was a Tabernacle in Little Haven [Independents, c 1812] but where their records are kept is something of a mystery. So I am currently trying to find out where Liz’s record sprang from. So it going to be off to the local Family History Centre to see what they can suggest. I am going back to Pembroke this summer (I don’t live quite as remote as you. Just the north of England. ) so I will have to make some time to visit Haverfordwest and have a dig through the records and see what they reveal. Currently I am working from indexes and transcripts. If any one out there knows where the Tabernacle records for Talbenny / Little Haven are kept I would be very grateful Further if any one has access to the 1841 / 51 census are there any Harts in Talbenny at this time? If I run across the name of Mackan, or what ever, I will let you know but I suspect that anything I find you will probably already have. Good Hunting Nick --- BJ & LC Kirkwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nick, > > John may never have been baptised, but the Talbenny > church records should > possibly be checked. Your John Hart married > Margaret Twigg in 1833 at > Hayscastle. I presume the parish register entry > will have witness names > which might give more clues, although you said it > was uninformative. > > As John's age was 37 in 1851 census (birthplace > Talbenny) > it would seem likely that his parents were William > Hart of Freystrop who > married Mary Moy at Talbenny on 17th. July, > 1813...so probably an end of > 1813 baptism or 1814 ..even from July, 1813 if some > of my ancestral line are > anything to go by (I CAN count..but we are talking > about Pembrokeshire!). > > A William Hart married Frances Philipps at Freystrop > in 1780 (which might be > a generation back for your line) and a John Hart > married Elizabeth Morris at > Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1792...so you can take > your pick. There were > other Hart marriages at Camrose and Steynton, but > you seem to think that in > your line the family names were repeated ad > infinitum. > > If Mary Moy proves to be part of your ancestry, then > a Benjamin Moy married > Catherine Mackan at Hubberston in 1813 > (05/06/1813)......he might be a > brother or cousin to Mary and marrying in his > bride's parish ...and perhaps > if you investigated this marriage you might get > similar witness names. A > Francis Moy in 1782 married Mary Howell at St. > Ishmaels....and this appears > to be the only marriage which fits timewise. > > I have a slight interest in the Twigg name and that > of Maccan (which might > be Mackan) so would be interested to hear if you > have anything further. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick hart" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:40 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Harts in Pembroke > > > > I am currently trying to trace a John Hart who > married > > a Margaret Twigg in 1833 in Hayscastle. The > marriage > > entry is very uninformative about the Groom other > than > > he was a labourer > > However the 1851 census entry gives his age as 37 > and > > place of birth as Talbenny. > > > > Armed with this information I have searched the > Dyfed > > index for the Rhos hundred, but this does not > record a > > John Hart being christened at the relevant time > > C1813. > > > > I know that my forbears were very uninventive in > their > > choice of names but if anyone has stumbled across > a > > John Hart C1813 I would be grateful for any > > information that might suggest a course of > > investigation. > > > > Nick Hart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Gareth's Help Page > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html