Hi Libby Can you give us the rest of the information re the 1901 census entry? = Particularly his age and birthplace - then may be we can find some more information for you. Who else was living in the same household? William Henry Davies is not an uncommon name!! - There is a William Henry Davies aged 3 living in Mansel Street, Pembroke in 1881 - any match? Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Libby <[email protected]> writes >Happy New Year to a most helpful list. >I am trying to track down the above individual who was listed as a lawyer in >the 1901 Census of St. Mary's Pembroke, Wales. At that time he was residing >at 17 Mansel Street. According to the other Census information that I have >he was born in Pembroke. I am wondering if there might be a directory of >Lawyers for that time period. The Census also states that he was a worker, >so it is likely that he was working for another law firm. I believe that he >moved to Haverfordwest at some point and may have opened up his own firm >there. Any light you may be able to shed will be most appreciated. >Thanks for your time and efforts. > >Libby Clarke >Bracebridge, ON >[email protected] >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Hi Pat, Thanks for the email. I believe that the William Henry Davies, aged 3 living in Mansel Street in Pembroke, 1881 is one and the same person. According to the 1891 Census he was living at 8 Mansel Street, however, the details of where his parents were born are different, but ages match. Is it possible that these two are not the same family?? Can someone tell me if the street was renumbered, or did they really move that many times? Any help with this family would be most appreciated. Here are the details from the 1901 Census..... 17 Mansel Street,St. Mary's, Pembroke RG13/5122, Page 12 John Davies, Head, Married 48 Tanner Worker Pembroke English Elizabeth Davies, Wife, Married 50 Pembroke English John Davies, Father, Widow 80 Pembroke English William H. Son Single 23 Lawyer Worker Pembroke English Samuel G. Son Single 16 Carpenter Worker Pembroke English Phyllis Davies, Niece Single 14 Pembroke English Thanks for your help with this, yours, Libby Clarke Bracebridge, ON Canada [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: December 30, 2003 8:19 AM To: Libby Cc: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] RE: William Henry Davies Hi Libby Can you give us the rest of the information re the 1901 census entry? = Particularly his age and birthplace - then may be we can find some more information for you. Who else was living in the same household? William Henry Davies is not an uncommon name!! - There is a William Henry Davies aged 3 living in Mansel Street, Pembroke in 1881 - any match? Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Libby <[email protected]> writes >Happy New Year to a most helpful list. >I am trying to track down the above individual who was listed as a lawyer in >the 1901 Census of St. Mary's Pembroke, Wales. At that time he was residing >at 17 Mansel Street. According to the other Census information that I have >he was born in Pembroke. I am wondering if there might be a directory of >Lawyers for that time period. The Census also states that he was a worker, >so it is likely that he was working for another law firm. I believe that he >moved to Haverfordwest at some point and may have opened up his own firm >there. Any light you may be able to shed will be most appreciated. >Thanks for your time and efforts. > >Libby Clarke >Bracebridge, ON >[email protected] >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003

Dear Pat, Following your correspondence with Libby, I've had a look at a few things, and I offer the following for your thoughts. Because the 48 years old John Davies was a Tanner, it seems likely that his father was the John Davies, Tanner, aged 60 in the 1881 census living at Thomas St. O Gardens, Pembroke St. Mary with his widowed daughter Ann Greirson aged 31 and her sons John H. Greirson 7 and David H. aged 2. This gives John Davies (senior) a birth date of 1821, so I looked in the marriage index and there are a couple of Joseph Davies likely candidates for his father, but there is also a John Davies, servant, who married Martha Morris on 12th. December, 1820 at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. (I've found the term "servant" awfully misleading, sometimes these folks had means and weren't my interpretation of servant at all). The John Davies with wife Elizabeth and 3 year old William Henry lived at 9 Mansel St. O Gardens, Pembroke St. Mary. Libby has told us that William Henry became a lawyer (I think the "worker" is just a red herring and the folks who were employed at that time are designated as such on this entry, whilst the wives and children are not). This led me to 'A History of Haverfordwest' edited by Mr. Dillwyn Miles......and from there back to the 1881 census where 59 years old William Davies, Solicitor and MP for the County of Pembroke is shown residing with his family at Spring Gardens, Haverfordwest St. Martin. There may be no connection whatsoever, as the Davies name is so common......but I wondered if perhaps there is some remote family tie between the MP/Solicitor and the young lawyer. Davies, a solicitor, had contested the county as a Liberal in a by-election in 1876 .....his former partner was a William Rees. He would be 79 if still alive in 1901...so the names and occupations are probably just coincidental, but I wondered why the son and grandson of a Tanner aspired to a legal career...maybe he was just clever. Warm regards. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. PS. This all seems familiar, have we gone down this road previously? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Libby" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] RE: William Henry Davies > Hi Pat, > Thanks for the email. I believe that the William Henry Davies, aged 3 > living in Mansel Street in Pembroke, 1881 is one and the same person. > According to the 1891 Census he was living at 8 Mansel Street, however, the > details of where his parents were born are different, but ages match. Is it > possible that these two are not the same family?? Can someone tell me if > the street was renumbered, or did they really move that many times? Any > help with this family would be most appreciated. > > Here are the details from the 1901 Census..... > > 17 Mansel Street,St. Mary's, Pembroke RG13/5122, Page 12 > > John Davies, Head, Married 48 Tanner Worker Pembroke > English > Elizabeth Davies, Wife, Married 50 Pembroke > English > John Davies, Father, Widow 80 Pembroke > English > William H. Son Single 23 Lawyer Worker Pembroke > English > Samuel G. Son Single 16 Carpenter Worker Pembroke > English > Phyllis Davies, Niece Single 14 Pembroke > English > > Thanks for your help with this, yours, > Libby Clarke > Bracebridge, ON > Canada > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: December 30, 2003 8:19 AM > To: Libby > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [WLS-PEM] RE: William Henry Davies > > > Hi Libby > > Can you give us the rest of the information re the 1901 census entry? = > Particularly his age and birthplace - then may be we can find some more > information for you. > Who else was living in the same household? > > William Henry Davies is not an uncommon name!! - There is a William > Henry Davies aged 3 living in Mansel Street, Pembroke in 1881 - any > match? > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > In message <[email protected]>, > Libby <[email protected]> writes > >Happy New Year to a most helpful list. > >I am trying to track down the above individual who was listed as a lawyer > in > >the 1901 Census of St. Mary's Pembroke, Wales. At that time he was > residing > >at 17 Mansel Street. According to the other Census information that I have > >he was born in Pembroke. I am wondering if there might be a directory of > >Lawyers for that time period. The Census also states that he was a worker, > >so it is likely that he was working for another law firm. I believe that > he > >moved to Haverfordwest at some point and may have opened up his own firm > >there. Any light you may be able to shed will be most appreciated. > >Thanks for your time and efforts. > > > >Libby Clarke > >Bracebridge, ON > >[email protected] > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > > > >______________________________ > > -- > Pat Powell > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Hello Bettye and Libby - and any others following this thread. To answer some of your points. 1. Yes we have gone down this road before. Some time ago following a query from Libby for a Martha Davies I found in 1881 the following who I think is a better match for the parents of John Davies. Maybe Libby you can tell us if this is part of the same family - and if you have confirmed that this is your Martha? Dwelling: East End Census Place: Pembroke St Michael, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342303 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5410 Folio 67 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John DAVIES M 58 M Penelly, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Elizabeth DAVIES M 48 F St Marys, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Martha DAVIES U 22 F St Marys, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Cook (Dom) 2. Secondly with regard to the "lawyer" question. First I don't think William Henry Davies of Spring gardens comes into this family (My Mum lived in Spring Gardens when she was 3years old!!! - not that that has any relevance!) I have followedup that W H Davies for someone else a long time ago - so I woulds have to look back at my notes. However maybe Libby could answer this one- I see in the on-line 1901 index that William Henry Davies is shown as a "Sawyer" not a "Lawyer". Certainly these often look similar in the writing of the time - so have you just taken the "lawer" from the print of the census page, Libby - or has it been substantiated by other docs? Certainly Sawyer would fit in more with the family where brother Samuel George is shown as a carpenter. 3. I have also been looking back in the 1851 census and found a possible for John Davies the grandfather of William Henry Davies but I'm not sure yet so I will come back to you both later. The coincidence of the wives seems to be a bit too much!! Williams parents were John and Elizabeth. John's parents were John and Elizabeth and now the second John (aged 27 in 1851) has parents John and Elizabeth!!! He also has a sister Martha. Anyway - between us all we may get to the bottom of this. Happy new year to you all - chat to you again soon. Pat In message <[email protected]>, BJ & LC Kirkwood <[email protected]> writes >Dear Pat, > >Following your correspondence with Libby, I've had a look at a few things, >and I offer the following for your thoughts. > >Because the 48 years old John Davies was a Tanner, it seems likely that his >father was the John Davies, Tanner, aged 60 in the 1881 census living at >Thomas St. O Gardens, Pembroke St. Mary with his widowed daughter Ann >Greirson aged 31 and her sons John H. Greirson 7 and David H. aged 2. > >This gives John Davies (senior) a birth date of 1821, so I looked in the >marriage index and there are a couple of Joseph Davies likely candidates for >his father, but there is also a John Davies, servant, who married Martha >Morris on 12th. December, 1820 at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. (I've found the >term "servant" awfully misleading, sometimes these folks had means and >weren't my interpretation of servant at all). > >The John Davies with wife Elizabeth and 3 year old William Henry lived at 9 >Mansel St. O Gardens, Pembroke St. Mary. > >Libby has told us that William Henry became a lawyer (I think the "worker" >is just a red herring and the folks who were employed at that time are >designated as such on this entry, whilst the wives and children are not). > >This led me to 'A History of Haverfordwest' edited by Mr. Dillwyn >Miles......and from there back to the 1881 census >where 59 years old William Davies, Solicitor and MP for the County of >Pembroke is shown residing with his family at Spring Gardens, Haverfordwest >St. Martin. > >There may be no connection whatsoever, as the Davies name is so >common......but I wondered if perhaps there is some remote family tie >between the MP/Solicitor and the young lawyer. > >Davies, a solicitor, had contested the county as a Liberal in a by-election >in 1876 .....his former partner was a William Rees. He would be 79 if still >alive in 1901...so the names and occupations are probably just coincidental, >but I wondered why the son and grandson of a Tanner aspired to a legal >career...maybe he was just clever. > >Warm regards. > >Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > >PS. This all seems familiar, have we gone down this road previously? >----- Original Message ----- -- Pat Powell