--1109946389452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Betty.Thankyou very much Indeed for all of the Information on the LAV[I]ERS families.It was very kind of you. As John LAV[I]ERS seems to be missing[AWOL]from Pembrokeshire in 1851,I shall have to try around the Swansea area,as he may have defected to Glamorganshire, much sooner than first thought?Ive got the 1851 for some of Glam; It seems a possible Candidate for a Brother of John [Henry,also born in Manobier]was also in the Bridgend area too. John LAVIERS aged 48 in 1881 at Maesteg incidently was a "Coal Miner". In my original message,I did state that his Missus WAS'NT at home in 1881.So I don't know where she was in 1881?I will have to have a looksee on my computer discs for her. Thanks again Betty. Kind Regards,Graham Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. Of Canton,Cardiff. "If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> wrote: --1109946389452 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from gizmo03bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.13]) by ics0035.ics.ntlworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:00:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 28578 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BWMAM16.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.114) by gizmo03bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from ess-p-144-134-71-39.mega.tmns.net.au ([144.134.71.39]) by BWMAM16.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 264/10914787) with SMTP id 10914787; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59:59 +1000 Message-ID: <000d01c52054$dc57a400$27478690@oemcomputer> From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> To: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au>, <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> References: <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com> <77e4af07915224a645c08b47e3461887@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: bjkirkwood@bigpond.com Dear Graham, Lavers, is, as Megan states, the spelling given in Pemb. records. As your John Laviers would have been born at Manorbier around 1833, I presume he is the son of Henry LAVERS and Margaret Upton who married at Manorbier on 24/10/1829. In the 1813-37 marriages index there are five male Uptons who married....usually in the Narberth Hundred. It is possible Margaret came from there.....I have not checked. The Upton name does not appear in the Castlemartin Hundred records (where Manorbier records are to be found), but there are Lavers who married as under: Alban Laver 1724/5 (Pwllcrochan); James 1761(Manorbier); James 1795 (Manorbier); James 1798 (Pembroke St. Mary) and John 1762(Monkton); Ann 1800 (Cosheston); Elizabeth 1758 (Penally); Jane 1721(Pemb. St. Mary); Mary 1786 (Monkton); Sarah 1794 (Manorbier)...and there is one queried entry Lavers? Elizabeth 1747 (Pemb. St. Mary). The Manorbier entries seem your best bet.....unfortunately I can not supply the names of brides and grooms, but the parish register entries could be obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office.....if copies are purchased, you could possibly as well as finding partners, expand your horizons by seeing who acted as marriage witnesses. There appear to be no Laver/Lavier wills in the St. David's Probate index......but there may have been administrations. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > Dear Graham > > I have family from Manorbier, so immediately took an interest. This > sounds like an unusual name and when I used FamilySearch for the 1881 > census, the only similar name was Lavers, as below. Tenby is very near > Manorbier, so perhaps there is a connection: > > Martha LAVERS Head W Female 45 Tenby, Pembroke, > Wales Laundress > Margaret LAVERS Dau U Female 20 Tenby, Pembroke, > Wales Milliner > Thomas LAVERS Son U Male 15 Tenby, Pembroke, Wales Draper > & Apprentice > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Source Information: > Dwelling Lower Frog Street > Census Place Tenby St Mary In Liberty, Pembroke, Wales > Family History Library Film 1342303 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 5409 / 71 > Page Number 1 > > No sign of a John. What was his occupation > > > On 04/03/2005, at 8:16 AM, <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John > > LAVIERS aged 48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his > > missus and kids,all born In Maesteg. > > In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; > > So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt > > telling porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other > > goodies still at home? > > Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. > > > > Cheers Graham > --1109946389452--
Graham I can't see a John Laviers on the 1851 Gla FHS cd, or any likely sp variation . There is this James Laviers below in 1861, may be a connection, he doesn't appear in 1881. I see the John L in 1881 doesn't have a wife with him, has a son James too. ############################## Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD4061 1861 CENSUS OF GARTH DISTRICT. REF.R.G.9/4061, E.D.27. Piece: 4061 Folio: 027 Schedule: 050 Address: PARK STREET 18 LAVIERS JAMES HD M 26 MINER PEM - (c1835) LAVIERS JANE WI M 25 - PEM - (c1836) LAVIERS MARGARET DA - 3 - - - (c1858) LAVIERS JOHN SO - 10M - - - (c1860) ######################## Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: RE:Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > > --1109946389452 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello Betty.Thankyou very much Indeed for all of the Information on the > LAV[I]ERS families.It was very kind of you. > As John LAV[I]ERS seems to be missing[AWOL]from Pembrokeshire in 1851,I > shall have to try around the Swansea area,as he may have defected to > Glamorganshire, much sooner than first thought?Ive got the 1851 for some > of Glam; > > It seems a possible Candidate for a Brother of John [Henry,also born in > Manobier]was also in the Bridgend area too. > John LAVIERS aged 48 in 1881 at Maesteg incidently was a "Coal Miner". > > In my original message,I did state that his Missus WAS'NT at home in > 1881.So I don't know where she was in 1881?I will have to have a looksee > on my computer discs > > for her. > > Thanks again Betty. > > Kind Regards,Graham > > Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. > Of Canton,Cardiff. > "If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 "BJ & LC Kirkwood" > <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> wrote: > > --1109946389452 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from gizmo03bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.13]) by > ics0035.ics.ntlworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); > Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:00:04 +0000 > Received: (qmail 28578 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO BWMAM16.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.114) > by gizmo03bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 > Received: from ess-p-144-134-71-39.mega.tmns.net.au ([144.134.71.39]) by > BWMAM16.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 264/10914787) with SMTP id 10914787; > Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59:59 +1000 > Message-ID: <000d01c52054$dc57a400$27478690@oemcomputer> > From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> > To: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au>, > <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> > References: <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com> > <77e4af07915224a645c08b47e3461887@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > Return-Path: bjkirkwood@bigpond.com > > Dear Graham, > > Lavers, is, as Megan states, the spelling given in Pemb. records. > As your John Laviers would have been born at Manorbier around 1833, I > presume he is the son of Henry LAVERS and Margaret Upton who married at > Manorbier on 24/10/1829. In the 1813-37 marriages index there are five > male > Uptons who married....usually in the Narberth Hundred. It is possible > Margaret came from there.....I have not checked. > > The Upton name does not appear in the Castlemartin Hundred records (where > Manorbier records are to be found), but there are Lavers who married as > under: > > Alban Laver 1724/5 (Pwllcrochan); James 1761(Manorbier); James 1795 > (Manorbier); James 1798 (Pembroke St. Mary) and John 1762(Monkton); > > Ann 1800 (Cosheston); Elizabeth 1758 (Penally); Jane 1721(Pemb. St. > Mary); > Mary 1786 (Monkton); Sarah 1794 (Manorbier)...and there is one queried > entry Lavers? Elizabeth 1747 (Pemb. St. Mary). > > The Manorbier entries seem your best bet.....unfortunately I can not > supply > the names of brides and grooms, but the parish register entries could be > obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office.....if copies are purchased, > you > could possibly as well as finding partners, expand your horizons by seeing > who acted as marriage witnesses. > > There appear to be no Laver/Lavier wills in the St. David's Probate > index......but there may have been administrations. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > > >> Dear Graham >> >> I have family from Manorbier, so immediately took an interest. This >> sounds like an unusual name and when I used FamilySearch for the 1881 >> census, the only similar name was Lavers, as below. Tenby is very near >> Manorbier, so perhaps there is a connection: >> >> Martha LAVERS Head W Female 45 Tenby, Pembroke, >> Wales Laundress >> Margaret LAVERS Dau U Female 20 Tenby, Pembroke, >> Wales Milliner >> Thomas LAVERS Son U Male 15 Tenby, Pembroke, Wales Draper >> & Apprentice >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Source Information: >> Dwelling Lower Frog Street >> Census Place Tenby St Mary In Liberty, Pembroke, Wales >> Family History Library Film 1342303 >> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >> Piece / Folio 5409 / 71 >> Page Number 1 >> >> No sign of a John. What was his occupation >> >> >> On 04/03/2005, at 8:16 AM, <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John >> > LAVIERS aged 48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his >> > missus and kids,all born In Maesteg. >> > In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; >> > So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt >> > telling porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other >> > goodies still at home? >> > Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. >> > >> > Cheers Graham >> > > > --1109946389452-- > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > > >