This isn't a repeat performance of stating the obvious such as not opening attachments and keeping AV protection up to date. Oh no, nothing so mundane :-) I have been giving some thought to what we listers could collectively do to help ourselves, here are two ideas for you to chew on; The first. I know there are many listers who at present receive separate mails who could get on just as well in Digest mode. With this latest virus involving lists, even though not carried on list mail, being in digest would mean that, if you somehow 'caught' a virus such as this latest one, then it would only send its auto response, with virus laden attachment, back to the Rootsweb admin address, and on the list administrator who could then deal with it, and warn the person with the infected computer. I expect you all appreciate by now that with this particular virus it is the actual sending of a message to the list which exposes one to it in the first place. Never posting to the lists is a bit drastic, although.............. The downside is that digest is more inconvenient to use than separate mails in OE. However, with this little trick this shouldn't be as bad as that for many of you who mostly just read mails, and don't regularly respond to them. --Left click once to highlight the digest in the inbox of OE, press Ctrl plus F3 together, maximise the window to see all the messages laid out and scroll away. If you do feel an irresistable urge to reply to a message then note the sender and open the digest normally, and Bob's your uncle! Another downside might be all the previous mails tacked on the end which haven't been properly culled, well, that's down to us collectively too........ We could have a sin bin [food bin?] and banish the main offenders to Jeff's All Wales list as a punishment, does one week there sound long enough ? Second. Not this virus, but the equally devious ones which attack via our address books, the previous norm. Might I suggest that we all switch off the facility for addresses to be auto added to our address books in OE , or whatever, every time we send a mail out. That way address books will be vastly smaller and any auto sending out of mails by a virus will be considerably limited. To just your special friends in fact, think about it............ I just trimmed mine from about 500 names down to c 50, and no, I'm not telling who is left on there :-) If you then can't find someone's email address via View/Sort by 'From' in OE's Deleted items file, then too bad....... Could also of course transfer the complete address list outside of OE before trimming. Could I request that you all delete me from your address books please :-) Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html