I said tongue in cheek in my last mail that I was not sure if the info was a help or a hindrance--the way that it appeared was gibberish!!So here is another attempt 1851 Clydey---this is how it appears in Census Bwlch y Groes David Elias 54 Labourer Anna " 53 wife Ann " 28 John " ? all born in Parish of Clydey Llandygwyd Cnwc Rachel Elias 91 Widow pauper b Llandygwyd Mary " 20 Grandau. dressmaker Clydey 1841 Clydey Bwlch y Groes David Elias 45 Ag Lab Hannah " 44 Hannah 14 John 10 Thomas 6 Llandygwyd Farm servant Tyngallt Ann Elias 15 Hope this reads more sensibly than the last that landed in you inbox Ann D in Aber