For now, Griffith Jenkin remains unconnected to anyone I know, but he sounds like someone to keep an eye on. Pat's idea on The Mote sounds just right, though. I'm sorry it wasn't likely of any help to your Mote research. I don't have the marriage certificate you asked about, but the man with the Web site -- Shon Edwards -- has agreed to send me a copy when he returns from his extended vacation. According to his Web site, the address mentioned in the marriage certificate is at Penquerr, Ilston, West Glam. Family group sheet for one of the children later born in Llanelly lists the home at Cevencaiau at time of his birth, which I assume is Cefncaeau just east of Llanelly. James worked as a coal filler. What information are you hoping to get from the certificate? Thanks to everyone who responded. Even if nothing immediate comes of it, I'm grateful for everyone's interest in helping. Kevin Jenkins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus