Hello Kevin Thanks very much for all the info - I thin I've solved the "Mote" puzzle. I'm intrigued at the marriage of James and Elizabeth taking place in the Gower (i.e at Ilston) . Can you give me all the details from the marriage certificate? meanwhile:- I think the marriage you mentioned already of Thomas Jenkins and Mary Thomas in Llanboidy on May 9th 1805 seems a very good possibility. Looking at then in Llanginning in the 1841 and 1851 census they are shown in 1841 to be living in a house cale "Mote" !!! In 1851 it is written as Mott. This could be the place referred to in relation to Harriet rather than the one in Pembrokeshire. Which as the Harriet Jenkins you pointed to in 1881 was born in Llanboidy but living in Llanginning things could be falling into place. The question is was Harriet really a widow and therefor a sister in law? or was the W either wrong or a mis-transcription? I have certainly had wrong marital status given to people in my family at times. For your info - in case you don't have the full entries are the ones from Llanginning. 1841 enumdist 12 page 8 Mote Thomas Jenkins 55 Ag lab Mary Jenkins 55 Elizabeh Jenkins 10 (Note there is a Hannah Jenkins 35 Ind living in the next house) 1851 Mott Thomas Jenkins H M 69 Ag Lab Llandewy velfrey Mary Jenkins wi M 70 Llanginning. All for now Pat In message <[email protected]>, Kevin D Jenkins <[email protected]> writes >Pat: > >Thanks for your interest. I posted some of these >details a few weeks ago, but I'll try to concisely >offer pertinent information here. > >My ggg grandfather was James Jenkins: >Born 1817 in Llangynin, Carm. >Married 1842 in Ilston, Glam, to Elizabeth Davis of >Llangan, Carm. (Her father of Llanboidy, Carm., her >mother of Mydrim/Meidrim, Carm.) >Children born 1844 to 1848 in Llanelly, Carms. >Family sailed 1854 to United States. >In one U.S. record, differing from other records, >James said he was born in 1818 in Lampeter Velfrey, >Pem. > >John Jenkins, brother to James: >Born 1811 in Llanboidy, Carm. (surmised) >Letter from John to James 1887 & 1888, John in Neath, >Glam., visiting daughter's family. Visiting from >Cilshew (surmised: Cil-rhiw, farm SW of Lampeter >Velfrey, Pem.) >1881 Census mentions a John Jenkins, servant/labourer, >at Cil-rhiw, Lampeter Velfrey, Pem., born 1811 >Llanboidy. >John's family information unknown, beyond daughter and >her husband's name. > >Harriet, sister to James, mentioned in John's letter: >Died about February 1888 after living "in the Mote." >Buried "from the Mote." >1881 Census mentions a Harriet Jenkins, widow, in >Llanboidy, Carm, who was born in Llanboidy in 1805. >I have no other family information on her. > >Another brother, Ben, died underground in the Rhondda, >according to the letter. > >According to James, his parents were Thomas Jenkins >and Mary Thomas. (I don't know where he recorded this >information; family passed it down): >One researcher of unknown relation (taken from Web >site) used 1841 and 1851 census, believes Thomas is >the one born/christened 1782 in Llanddewi Velfrey, >Pem., Mary born in Llangynin. >Same researcher believes Thomas and Mary the ones >married 1805 in Llanboidy, Carm., which might make >Harriet the oldest child if she could be the widow >mentioned in the 1881 census. >Same researcher believes Thomas' father was a Thomas >also, born in Lampeter Velfrey about 1756, died >Llangynin possibly 1793, but those appear to be >guesswork. > >Thanks again for your response. > >Kevin. > > > >--- Pat Powell <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello Kevin >> >> I would like to help you as I am often following up >> my family around >> that area. My greatgrandfather was born in Mote >> which usually stands for >> New Moat - but occasionally for Henry's Mote. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Pat Powell