Happy New Year to everyone. I'm finally making some progress on the above John Brinn. I finally found his 2nd marriage to Martha Brinn on December 25, 1905 in Headington, Oxford. (Don't think that date would be available these days!!) Then through correspondence with St. Michael's Cemetery in Pembroke, Wales I have found that he was buried on February 13th at the age of 75 which jives with the other dates I have so far. I believe I have found a possible birth for him in the GRO index in the 2nd quarter of 1862, but have not sent for that one yet. However, and here is my problem, after doing a search of the 1st Quarter of the 1837 online site for a death of a John Brinn, I can find no entry. Does this mean the date I received from the Cemetery records is wrong, it got missed??? Should I apply for the certificate anyway? If anyone has encountered a similar problem I would be interested in hearing from you. Thanks for any and all advice. Libby Clarke Bracebridge, ON Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003

Hi Libby Is this the same Martha who married Walter John Hoad in 1887? I've been looking back at notes from our earlier converstions around June of last year trying to sort out your info while checking on all the John & Elizabeth Davies - I'll get back to you on those later. You said John Brinn was buried on Ferbruary 13th - which Year? My gues is around 1924-ish???? I am hoping to go to the local ref library next week sometime - so can look around the date to see if anything fits in the BMD index. I know you said you looked on the online site - but having to pay for each view limits the range of checking. Let me know what the year was. I have had several examples in my family searches of misleading dates. One had a burial date and a death date on her gravestone that was the right day and month but one year out according to the death certificate. Another was buried quite some time after his death as it was in an accident and presumably needed investigation. Last but not least my great grandfather was shown as buried several years after he was registered as dead!!! It turned out the burial date was the date of a re-burial presumably as part of the graveyard wwhere is was first buried is now under a main road- several of the family were eventually found to be moved to another graveyard. Looking at your previous questions - one was about William Norman George Davies - who died on Friday July 26 aged 52 but you didn't know the year. You also asked about an obituary for him. I have seen on the FreeBMD site that a birth of William Norman G Davies was registed in Haverfordwest district in the Sept quarter of 1905 (ref 11a/1358) Is this him? If so death could be about 1957. I have checked a calendar program and in 1957 July 26th was a Friday. If you contact Haverfordwest library or the Record Office - they keep copies of the WEstern Telegrah (there are some years in the lib and others in the RO) There are still obituaries in this paper that are often packed with information so maybe they will be able to find one for Norman. - If you haven't already sorted this problem out as it was some time ago when you asked. All for now Pat In message <[email protected]>, Libby <[email protected]> writes >Happy New Year to everyone. I'm finally making some progress on the above >John Brinn. I finally found his 2nd marriage to Martha Brinn on December >25, 1905 in Headington, Oxford. (Don't think that date would be available >these days!!) Then through correspondence with St. Michael's Cemetery in >Pembroke, Wales I have found that he was buried on February 13th at the age >of 75 which jives with the other dates I have so far. I believe I have >found a possible birth for him in the GRO index in the 2nd quarter of 1862, >but have not sent for that one yet. However, and here is my problem, after >doing a search of the 1st Quarter of the 1837 online site for a death of a >John Brinn, I can find no entry. Does this mean the date I received from >the Cemetery records is wrong, it got missed??? Should I apply for the >certificate anyway? If anyone has encountered a similar problem I would be >interested in hearing from you. >Thanks for any and all advice. > >Libby Clarke >Bracebridge, ON >Canada >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > -- Pat Powell

Hi Pat, Yes indeed it is the same Martha who married Walter John Hoad. I must apologize for not putting the date of John Brinn's death in the email (must learn to proof read!). According to the information I received from the cemetery it was 1937, grave No. F63. As I say, I did check both the last Qtr of 1936 and the 1st and 2nd Qtr of 1937 on the page where the Brinn's should be, but no John's. The information you sent regarding William Norman George Davies would seem to be a good fit. He is the son of William Henry Davies the "Sawyer" in the 1901 Census. So it is conceivable that he was married and had a child by 1905. According to the information I have, William "Norman" George Davies died in South Africa. Would I have to contact there to find his death record? I do not know if his body was returned to Wales, but assume so. I don't have much to go on with regard to where he was.....except that he was prinicipal of Buntingville Methodist Mission school. I've done a google search and have not been able to come up with anything regarding this school. I certainly appreciate all the work you are doing for me. I will contact the library to see what, if any information they might have with regard to an obituary. Take care and I look forward to any further information you might uncover. Libby Clarke Bracebridge, ON -----Original Message----- From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January 2, 2004 7:57 AM To: Libby Cc: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] RE: John Brinn Hi Libby Is this the same Martha who married Walter John Hoad in 1887? I've been looking back at notes from our earlier converstions around June of last year trying to sort out your info while checking on all the John & Elizabeth Davies - I'll get back to you on those later. You said John Brinn was buried on Ferbruary 13th - which Year? My gues is around 1924-ish???? I am hoping to go to the local ref library next week sometime - so can look around the date to see if anything fits in the BMD index. I know you said you looked on the online site - but having to pay for each view limits the range of checking. Let me know what the year was. I have had several examples in my family searches of misleading dates. One had a burial date and a death date on her gravestone that was the right day and month but one year out according to the death certificate. Another was buried quite some time after his death as it was in an accident and presumably needed investigation. Last but not least my great grandfather was shown as buried several years after he was registered as dead!!! It turned out the burial date was the date of a re-burial presumably as part of the graveyard wwhere is was first buried is now under a main road- several of the family were eventually found to be moved to another graveyard. Looking at your previous questions - one was about William Norman George Davies - who died on Friday July 26 aged 52 but you didn't know the year. You also asked about an obituary for him. I have seen on the FreeBMD site that a birth of William Norman G Davies was registed in Haverfordwest district in the Sept quarter of 1905 (ref 11a/1358) Is this him? If so death could be about 1957. I have checked a calendar program and in 1957 July 26th was a Friday. If you contact Haverfordwest library or the Record Office - they keep copies of the WEstern Telegrah (there are some years in the lib and others in the RO) There are still obituaries in this paper that are often packed with information so maybe they will be able to find one for Norman. - If you haven't already sorted this problem out as it was some time ago when you asked. All for now Pat In message <[email protected]>, Libby <[email protected]> writes >Happy New Year to everyone. I'm finally making some progress on the above >John Brinn. I finally found his 2nd marriage to Martha Brinn on December >25, 1905 in Headington, Oxford. (Don't think that date would be available >these days!!) Then through correspondence with St. Michael's Cemetery in >Pembroke, Wales I have found that he was buried on February 13th at the age >of 75 which jives with the other dates I have so far. I believe I have >found a possible birth for him in the GRO index in the 2nd quarter of 1862, >but have not sent for that one yet. However, and here is my problem, after >doing a search of the 1st Quarter of the 1837 online site for a death of a >John Brinn, I can find no entry. Does this mean the date I received from >the Cemetery records is wrong, it got missed??? Should I apply for the >certificate anyway? If anyone has encountered a similar problem I would be >interested in hearing from you. >Thanks for any and all advice. > >Libby Clarke >Bracebridge, ON >Canada >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 > -- Pat Powell --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/2003