I wonder if this is his father in 1871 Parkglas Dinas John Harries head w 74 retired mariner and landlord b Dinas Thanks Ann for the above information from the 1871 census it may well be William's father, I will keep it on file. Hopefully someone will spot him on the 1851 and this will help us find out. Thanks again for your help It's much appreciated. Regards Pat