Hello Herb & Mary It's Timber Hill not Timberland . As shown in the 1881 census at the end of this e-mail. In 1841 Thomas Smith is in Nolton Here is the census entry:- Folio 3 page 1 Nolton Cross Alexander Smith 55 Collier Y Ann Smith 45 Y William Smith 20 Y Hester " 20 Y Thomas " 15 Y Ann " 11 Y Elizabeth " 9 Y Eliza " 7 Y Sarah " 2 Y Note: In 1841 census adult ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Also: Alexander Smith Collier married Ann Griffiths in Roch on Oct 7th 1813. By 1851 Thomas has married. parish of Roch Folio 448 page 14 schedule 52 Thomas Smith 26 PEM Roch Mary Smith 23 PEM Roch Elizabeth Smith 3 PEM Roch John Smith 6 PEM Roch Answering your earlier question the family living in Tinber Hill, Haroldston West in 1841 is James Williams 30 Dissenting Minister N William " 7 Y Margaret Deveraux 13 Y Rebeckah Price 15 F.S. Y The 1881 census entry I mentioned is:- Dwelling: Timber Hill Census Place: Harroldston West, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342305 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5420 Folio 71 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas SMITH M 56 M Roch P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Jane SMITH M 45 F Dale P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Mary A. SMITH U 14 F Nolton P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter John SMITH 12 M Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Martha SMITH 10 F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Thomas SMITH 5 M Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Son Jane SMITH 3 F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Esther E. SMITH 5 m F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Schwarz family <[email protected]> writes >Hello Pat, last week we had information from the list (Janetana Davies) >confirming our Smith family on "Timberland,West Haroldstone". Thomas Smith >,the father of our Elizabeth Smith is listed as Farmer. Elizabeth was born >circ. 1850. The wife of Thomas is given as Jane , she is apparently his >second wife , and is the stepmother to our Elizabeth. Elizabeth 's mother >was apparently the owner of the farm !! - could you please check the 1841 >census to see who is listed on the 1841 census on the "Timberland farm,West >Haroldstone". It could be a Venable family? Thank you for your past >asistance, Herb and Mary Schwarz, Ontario,Canada >----- Original Message ----- -- Pat Powell