Hello Gerry As your Mary Ann Johns gave both Crundale and Haverfordwest as birthplace then as Crundale is just north of Haverfordwest (parish of Rudbaxton) I thought I'd have a look to see if she was there in 1861. This is what I found - I think it fits don't you? Folio 78 schedule 24 Cold house Martha John Hd M 52 Camrose Alice John dau 10 scholar Rudbaxton Samuel " son 8 " " Mary Ann " dau 3 " Note : there are John families in the next two houses too- although with such a surname there is no reason to assume they are related - but you could keep it in mind. My only concern is that you thought Mary's mother's name was Ann - what was the source of that information? If you are sure this is the correct family - then in 1851 they are in Camrose. Folio 367 page 19 schedule 77 From the index: Alice Sophia John 9 mths born Camrose Martha John 42 Camrose Thomas John 7 " I'll get back to you off-list if I find out more for you Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, JANETANN DAVIES <[email protected]> writes >Thomas Johns found 1871 >Prendergast Haverfordwest >Stephens Ford >Martha Johns head of family married 62 b County >of Pembrokeshire >Thomas " grandson 7 >" deaf and dumb from birth > >Will keep looking for the others! >Ann D in Aberystwyth > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:53 AM >Subject: Fw: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > > >> I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request >> for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. >> Could SKS do me a favour. >> I am looking for my great grandmother: >> >> Name: Mary Ann Johns >> DOB: circa 1858 >> Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in >> Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) >> >> She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 >> census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at >> age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). >> >> In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born >> circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). >> On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( >> High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice >> Johns. >> >> Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census >see >> if they can find her and her family >> Thanks very much >> Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> South/West Wales Lookup Exchange >http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > -- Pat Powell