Hello Jonathan I've found James in 1851 - Do you want them in 1841 too? 1851 census: Llandissilio enum dist 9a Sched 38 Pencnwck James Morgans Head M 25 Farmer 27 acres Pem Maenclochog Elizabeth Morgans wife M 30 Pem Clarbeston William Morgans son 2 Pem Llandissilio John Morgans son 1 Pem Llandissilio Phebe Williams serv U 13 house serv Pem Llandycefn Lydia Thomas visitor U 27 house serv Pem Clarbeston Frances Thomas visitor 7 wk? Pem Llawhaden Plasymeibion is in Llangolman - John Morgan aged 28 is there as a general servant working for head of household William Gibby. I'll send you the full census tomorrow and look for William. By the way your George Morgan is not the right one for Lea - I eventually found him in Cilymaenllwyd. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Jonathan Pike <[email protected]> writes >Hi Pat > >The George Morgan who was of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio in 1851 was one of >my relatives. I had recorded the name as Grinow Glebe, but Crinow Glebe >makes more sense as a place name. George was the son of David Morgan by his >wife Sarah, nee Beddoe of Llwyncelyn, Egremont. > >I have most of the family on most of the censuses but not 1851. Do you have >the rest of the 1851 census for Llandissilio. If so, would you mind checking >for George's other sons. The eldest John would be about 28 and probably at >Plasymeibion. the second, James would be about 26 and probably at Pencnwc >East with a wife and 2 children. George's youngest son, William, became a >merchant in Narberth and may well have been living there in 1851, perhaps as >an apprentice. > >Amongst George's descendants were Elsie Sinclair Morgan, wife of Thomas Rees >Francis, headmaster of Narberth School from 1924, and (William) Vincent >Morgan, a doctor in Narberth in the 1920s and Medical Officer to the >Narberth Union Workhouse. > >Cheers, Jonathan Pike > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:14 AM >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] names / places Lan Tymawr Crinw Benlan Penbont >Llancewn > > >> Hello - sorry you didn't give your name >> >> I think most of the "names" are giving the place or house where each >> person lived. >> >> e.g Jennie Tymawr >> Tymawr mean "big house" which is sometimes the actual name of the house >> and sometime a reference to a karge house in the area. >> >> Similarly Penbont (top of the bridge) is most likely to be the name of >> the house or farm. >> >> I would guess Crinw is Crinow a place in Pembrokeshire although in 1851 >> a family of Morgans were living in a household called "Crinow Glebe" in >> Llandissilio. >> >> This is the 1851 census entry - do they fit in with your family? >> >> If you send me all the details in the letter off-list I will try to >> identify as much as I can for you. >> >> 1851 Llandissilio enumdist 9c schedule 44 >> >> Crinow Glebe >> >> George Morgan Head M 55 Farmer 19 acres born Cmn Kilymaenllwyd >> Elizabeth Morgan wife M 55 PEM New Moat >> George Morgan son U 16 carpenter Cmn Laugharne >> >> >> Look forward to hearing from you >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> In message <[email protected]>, >> [email protected] writes >> >Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my >great-great-great...grandfather, >> >George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my >> >great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my >great-great >> >grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. >I >> >can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If >so, I'd >> >like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who >they are. >> > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? >A >> >surname? Etc. >> > >> >The names are as follows: >> > >> >Maly Crinw >> >Nely'r Lan >> >Jennie Tymawr >> >Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) >> >Morris (Maurice) >> >Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) >> >Morris Penbont >> >Benin >> >Twm (Tom) Llancewn >> >William - son of Harriett >> > >> >Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! >> > >> >______________________________ >> >> -- >> Pat Powell >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> South/West Wales Lookup Exchange >http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >> >> -- Pat Powell

Hi Pat Thanks very much. Yes I would be interested in the 1841 census for the family. I imagine that George and Elizabeth were probably at Pwllyranian, Llandissilio, along with their 4 sons. I would also like the full household at Plasymeibion in 1851. Elizabeth, wife of George Morgan was a Gibby before marriage so their son John was probably with a relative at Plasymeibion in 1851. For those who may be interested, I will put details from memorial inscriptions at Llandissilio for family member below. My own connection is that George Morgan's sister Sarah Morgan married Griffith Evans of Bletherston. They were my 3 x great grand parents. Thanks, Jonathan Pike Sacred to the memory of James Morgan of Pencnwc second son of George and Elizabeth Morgan of Pwllybarian in this parish died August 1st 1859 aged 34 years, who left a widow and six children to lament his loss, therefore be ye also ready. Also Elizabeth Morgan wife of the above who died May 16th 1892 aged 72 years. In Memory of William the son of James and Elizabeth Morgan, Pencnwc who died Feb 22nd 1852 aged 5 years and 9 months. The following three are on three sides of a square memorial: In loving memory of James Morgan of 61 - 67 Rye Lane, Peckham, London, formerly of Pencnwc East in this Parish who died 21st April 1909 aged 50 years. In loving memory of John Morgan, Pencnwc East, Llandissilio Born Sept 14th 1849 Died May 4th 1912. Also Frances Morgan, Caerhaul, Llandissilio, Sister of the above born Nov 25th 1851, died June 8th 1927. In loving memory of George son of James and Elizabeth Morgan of Pencnwc East in this parish who died 3rd August 1880 Aged 26 years. Also Elizabeth Morgan, Caerhaul, Llandissilio, sister of the above. Born 22nd January 1857. Died 14th February 1932. In memory of John Morgan of Plasymeibion eldest son of George and Elizabeth Morgan of Pwllyranian in this parish who died January 16th 1857 aged 34 years. In memory of George Morgan of Grinowglebe in this parish who died August 9th 1863 aged 72 years. Also Elizabeth his wife who died May 12th 1880 aged 85 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Morgan of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio > Hello Jonathan > > > > I've found James in 1851 - > > Do you want them in 1841 too? > > 1851 census: > Llandissilio enum dist 9a > > Sched 38 Pencnwck > James Morgans Head M 25 Farmer 27 acres Pem Maenclochog > Elizabeth Morgans wife M 30 Pem Clarbeston > William Morgans son 2 Pem Llandissilio > John Morgans son 1 Pem Llandissilio > Phebe Williams serv U 13 house serv Pem Llandycefn > Lydia Thomas visitor U 27 house serv Pem Clarbeston > Frances Thomas visitor 7 wk? Pem Llawhaden > > Plasymeibion is in Llangolman - John Morgan aged 28 is there as a > general servant working for head of household William Gibby. > I'll send you the full census tomorrow and look for William. > > > By the way your George Morgan is not the right one for Lea - I > eventually found him in Cilymaenllwyd. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > In message <[email protected]>, Jonathan Pike > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi Pat > > > >The George Morgan who was of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio in 1851 was one of > >my relatives. I had recorded the name as Grinow Glebe, but Crinow Glebe > >makes more sense as a place name. George was the son of David Morgan by his > >wife Sarah, nee Beddoe of Llwyncelyn, Egremont. > > > >I have most of the family on most of the censuses but not 1851. Do you have > >the rest of the 1851 census for Llandissilio. If so, would you mind checking > >for George's other sons. The eldest John would be about 28 and probably at > >Plasymeibion. the second, James would be about 26 and probably at Pencnwc > >East with a wife and 2 children. George's youngest son, William, became a > >merchant in Narberth and may well have been living there in 1851, perhaps as > >an apprentice. > > > >Amongst George's descendants were Elsie Sinclair Morgan, wife of Thomas Rees > >Francis, headmaster of Narberth School from 1924, and (William) Vincent > >Morgan, a doctor in Narberth in the 1920s and Medical Officer to the > >Narberth Union Workhouse. > > > >Cheers, Jonathan Pike