Dear List This is somewhat tangential but I wonder if the tenant mentioned, Henry Palmer of Carew, may be a relative of Ashley John Roch Palmer, who published a Member's Birth Brief with tree in the second Dyfed FHS Journal, Volume 2, page 164. Some of his antecedents were baptised at Carew and include Phelps of Creswell, Yerbeston and Begelly. I am attempting to find "my" Henry Phelps, baptised Carew 1802, son of Henry and Mary Phelps, into these families. AJR Palmer wrote at the time that work was being done on the Phelps families, Regards Megan Phelps Sydney, Australia On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 09:04 AM, BJ & LC Kirkwood wrote: > Dear Sally, > > As promised.... > > extract from Major Francis Jones' article on Gelliswick > > "It seems that his family" (that of the tenant Henry Palmer of Carew) > "continued there a few years more, but by 1861 James Greenish, > previously > farming at Neeston, had taken over Gelliswick. He was succeeded in > 1867 by > his son, also named James, who married Mary Elizabeth Bassett Harries > of > Hilton in Roch Parish. He farmed the property till his death in 1899 > when > he was followed by his son Robert Picton Greenish who did not remain > there > long. In 1910 Mr. John Belton and his sister Cordelia took over > Gelliswick". > > The Major, being the late Welsh Herald of Arms Extraordinary is > usually most > reliable.....and at least it gives you bases for further research. > > As to the "George" placed before the names James Greenish in your > research.....maybe they just did not like it and dropped it from > general > use! > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > > >> Hello List, >> Ann has very kindly sent me Lettice Greenish and family living in >> Charles Street, Steynton and James Greenish plus family living at >> Gallinwick(?) Farm, Hubberstone >> >> Charles St Steyton >> Lettice Greenish W 63 Landed Proprietor >> B Walton West >> Robert " son S 35 >> Hebrandstone--blind from small pox >> Martha L " dau " 33 >> " >> Elizabeth " " " 28 >> " >> Maria Davies servant " 19 >> Haverfordwest >> >> Gallinwick(?) Hubberstone >> James Greenish 34 farmer 500 acres >> Hebrandstone >> Mary E B " 34 wife >> Roach >> George P " 5 son >> Milford >> Robert " 4 " >> Haverfordwest >> Samuel K " 2 " >> Hubberstone >> and 5 servants--including a nurse and a nursemaid >> >> It's interesting that Lettice gives her place of birth as Walton West >> in >> 1871, this is where she was married in 1830 and is closer Lambston >> where > her >> sister Mary Davies is thought to have been born. So now I'm looking >> for > the >> birth of a Lettice Davies c.1807 in Walton West rather than Milford. >> I think I have found James' son George Greenish, christened George > James >> Greenish 17 Oct 1865 St Mary, Haverford West; father George James >> Greenish >> and mother Mary Elizabeth Bassett. This son died in 1884 aged 18. > James' >> wife Mary died in 1873 ( in FreeBMD Mary Elizabeth B. Greenish), >> maybe > she >> died following the birth of Francis who was born that year. >> It's a bit of a puzzling that George's father's name is >> given as >> George James rather than just James. I wonder if Bassett was Mary >> Elizabeth's surname or one of her first names? perhaps after her >> marriage >> she added her maiden name to her married name? Can anyone tell me >> anything about her birth place ''Roach''? >> >> >> Sally >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Gareth's Help Page >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

Dear Megan, Henry Palmer had been a prosperous planter in Jamaica, although he was a native of Carew. (If we mislay an ancestor of two, they could have perhaps toddled off to the West Indies). His claim to fame is said to be cutting asparagus growing in the open at Gelliswick on Christmas Day 1818. He is said to have died on 16 August 1849 at age 72. His family continued at Gelliswick for some time thereafter. At Carew there was an Allen Palmer married Hannah Parcell in 1767, George Palmer 1790 m. Elizabeth Llewelyn and James Palmer in 1783 married Mary Davies. Other Palmer males married at Tenby and various other places in this particular Hundred. There is a very large number of Palmer and Parcell ladies who married here too. There is a connection.....but I don't know what it is...except honour and trust.... between the Phelps whom I'm interest in and the Parsell/Parcell family. There is a marriage between Henry Parcell and Elizabeth Phelps at Amroth in 1809. (And for Rose, whose mailbox is always full when I send anything lately, one of our Richard Rowes married Rebecca Palmer at Carew in 1773). The volume you mention, Megan, is before my time. I wonder if there is a follow-up article somewhere, or perhaps a pedigree lodged with the Dyfed FH Society, or The National Library. That tree sounds awfully interesting. Bettye K. PS.Is it as hot in your suburb as it is in mine? 40 deg. C. predicted again for tomorrow!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Phelps" <[email protected]> To: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > Dear List > > This is somewhat tangential but I wonder if the tenant mentioned, Henry > Palmer of Carew, may be a relative of Ashley John Roch Palmer, who > published a Member's Birth Brief with tree in the second Dyfed FHS > Journal, Volume 2, page 164. Some of his antecedents were baptised at > Carew and include Phelps of Creswell, Yerbeston and Begelly. I am > attempting to find "my" Henry Phelps, baptised Carew 1802, son of Henry > and Mary Phelps, into these families. AJR Palmer wrote at the time that > work was being done on the Phelps families, > > Regards > > Megan Phelps > Sydney, Australia > > > On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 09:04 AM, BJ & LC Kirkwood wrote: > > > Dear Sally, > > > > As promised.... > > > > extract from Major Francis Jones' article on Gelliswick > > > > "It seems that his family" (that of the tenant Henry Palmer of Carew) > > "continued there a few years more, but by 1861 James Greenish, > > previously > > farming at Neeston, had taken over Gelliswick. He was succeeded in > > 1867 by > > his son, also named James, who married Mary Elizabeth Bassett Harries > > of > > Hilton in Roch Parish. He farmed the property till his death in 1899 > > when > > he was followed by his son Robert Picton Greenish who did not remain > > there > > long. In 1910 Mr. John Belton and his sister Cordelia took over > > Gelliswick". > > > > The Major, being the late Welsh Herald of Arms Extraordinary is > > usually most > > reliable.....and at least it gives you bases for further research. > > > > As to the "George" placed before the names James Greenish in your > > research.....maybe they just did not like it and dropped it from > > general > > use! > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > > > > > >> Hello List, > >> Ann has very kindly sent me Lettice Greenish and family living in > >> Charles Street, Steynton and James Greenish plus family living at > >> Gallinwick(?) Farm, Hubberstone > >> > >> Charles St Steyton > >> Lettice Greenish W 63 Landed Proprietor > >> B Walton West > >> Robert " son S 35 > >> Hebrandstone--blind from small pox > >> Martha L " dau " 33 > >> " > >> Elizabeth " " " 28 > >> " > >> Maria Davies servant " 19 > >> Haverfordwest > >> > >> Gallinwick(?) Hubberstone > >> James Greenish 34 farmer 500 acres > >> Hebrandstone > >> Mary E B " 34 wife > >> Roach > >> George P " 5 son > >> Milford > >> Robert " 4 " > >> Haverfordwest > >> Samuel K " 2 " > >> Hubberstone > >> and 5 servants--including a nurse and a nursemaid > >> > >> It's interesting that Lettice gives her place of birth as Walton West > >> in > >> 1871, this is where she was married in 1830 and is closer Lambston > >> where > > her > >> sister Mary Davies is thought to have been born. So now I'm looking > >> for > > the > >> birth of a Lettice Davies c.1807 in Walton West rather than Milford. > >> I think I have found James' son George Greenish, christened George > > James > >> Greenish 17 Oct 1865 St Mary, Haverford West; father George James > >> Greenish > >> and mother Mary Elizabeth Bassett. This son died in 1884 aged 18. > > James' > >> wife Mary died in 1873 ( in FreeBMD Mary Elizabeth B. Greenish), > >> maybe > > she > >> died following the birth of Francis who was born that year. > >> It's a bit of a puzzling that George's father's name is > >> given as > >> George James rather than just James. I wonder if Bassett was Mary > >> Elizabeth's surname or one of her first names? perhaps after her > >> marriage > >> she added her maiden name to her married name? Can anyone tell me > >> anything about her birth place ''Roach''? > >> > >> > >> Sally > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 > >> > >> > >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Gareth's Help Page > >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Genuki Wales > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > >