Dear Ann, Pat and Debbie Thank you very much for your quick responses. I believe that this is the right family; 1861 census; Martha the mother circa 1809 Alice John - she has the same name as the witness at Mary Ann's wedding. Samuel was a brother and born circa 1851-1854 ( per the 1881 census and as a witness of Mary Ann's wedding, plus the details on his gravestone at Crundle cemetary) Mary Ann circa 1858 ( per 1881, 1891, 1901 censuses and her wedding cerificate and her gravestone in Crundle cemetary) Pat - I did not have any idea of Mary Ann's mother's name. 1851 census: Again there is the mother and daughter Sophie which ties in with the 1861 census. There is a son Thomas who was born circa 1841 - could he have been the father of the deaf/dumb son with the same name and born circa 1864? i will need to follow up on this. !871 census; Martha again and this time with the deaf/dumb grandson Thomas born circa 1864. Pat do you have the page number for the 1861 census data? Ann do you have the 1871 census data re folio,schedule and page number? I will order copies of the census data from Hwest records office. I have a copy of the 1891 census for Hubbertsone (near Milford haven ) and I should have got the next page as it might have shown me if Samul Mabe Johns and Thomas Lynn Johns were with Mary Ann and her family at that time. I was surprised to note that the father James Johns was not present in any of the censuses. I did try to find him under sherrifs /bailiffs etc under rootsweb site for Pembs., but to no avail. Perhaps he spent a lot of time on the road chasing criminals!! Once again so many thanks for providing me with another generation. Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada

here are the details of the 1871 record Gerry for Martha and Thomas RG10/5528 Reg District Haverfordwest sub Reg " " Prendergast district 16 Folio 21 Page 9 Best wishes Ann D