Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) Does Ven still exist? Pat Dougan Belfast ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Edwards" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > I am interested in contacting someone with knowledge of the Crymes family in Pembrokeshire. > > Virginia > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >
Dear Pat, The plot thickens! Francis Andrew in 1769 married Mary Andrew at Steynton who must have been married to a Mr. Andrew (I hope) previously, to be the mother of his stepdaughter Mary Crymes. By my reckoning, the stepdaughter Mary would probably be born in the 1760's ...to marry in 1788 ....and her mother's name was Mary. Two possibilities....William Andrew in 1762 married Mary Batin at Steynton, or William Andrews in 1752 married Mary Moor at Hubberston. A John Battin in 1694/95 married Grace Jenkins at Steynton and a Brigett Battin in 1688/89 married William Butterfield....John and Bridgett may be brother and sister. I think there may be a relationship between these Batin/Battins, Thomas Batine who held a lease for lives of Denant, Steynton, in 1833, and William Batine of Barrett's Hill, Steynton who, in 1789, held a lease of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda, with his wife Dorothy and children Thomas and Mary. Thomas Batine of Llanwnwr, Llanwnda married Elizabeth Williams and named one of his daughter Bridget. On that very slender clue I rest my case. If Mary Andrew was the child of William Andrews and Mary Moor/e ....then that's another story! Pat, have you any more interesting Andrew wills...they may clear up a few relationships....and do you already have the prior Andrew marriages in this parish? Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. --- Original Message ----- From: "victor & pat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. > From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, > made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... > > '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, > haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; > part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and > Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, > Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of > Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully > issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard > [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my > step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' > > (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) > Does Ven still exist? > > Pat Dougan > Belfast > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia Edwards" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:44 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > > > > I am interested in contacting someone with knowledge of the Crymes family > in Pembrokeshire. > > > > Virginia > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] > >
on 4/2/04 11:56 pm, victor & pat at [email protected] wrote: > Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. >> From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, > made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... > > '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, > haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; > part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and > Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, > Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of > Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully > issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard > [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my > step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' > > (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) > Does Ven still exist? > > Pat Dougan > Belfast Hello Pat Venn Lodge is marked on the 1:25,000 scale O.S. map and is just north of the road that runs east from Milford Haven (Black Bridge) to Waterston. A Little Venn Farm and Great Venn Farm existed at the time of the 1891 census. Gerry Lewis
Many thanks Gerry I wonder if its the same building in existence today?! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > on 4/2/04 11:56 pm, victor & pat at [email protected] wrote: > > > Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. > >> From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, > > made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... > > > > '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, > > haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; > > part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and > > Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, > > Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of > > Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully > > issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard > > [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my > > step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' > > > > (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) > > Does Ven still exist? > > > > Pat Dougan > > Belfast > > Hello Pat > > Venn Lodge is marked on the 1:25,000 scale O.S. map and is just north of the > road that runs east from Milford Haven (Black Bridge) to Waterston. > > A Little Venn Farm and Great Venn Farm existed at the time of the 1891 > census. > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >