on 3/2/04 1:44 am, Virginia Edwards at [email protected] wrote: > I am interested in contacting someone with knowledge of the Crymes family in > Pembrokeshire. > > Virginia > Hello Virginia In my database of the 1891 census of west Pembrokeshire there is just one CRYMES. She was Mary Anne Crymes aged 61, single, born Haverfordwest. She was living with her sister Emlin [Emmelin] Stokes aged 62 and her husband Antony Bowen Owen Stokes. He was described as a landed proprietor and they lived at St Botolphs [House] in Steynton. he was a Lieutenant Colonel, who later became Chief Constable of Pembrokeshire according to "Historic Pembrokeshire Houses and their Families" That book also states that the Crymes family lived at Thornton House, Steynton. Captain John Crymes RN lived there at the start of 19th Century. He was the son of Rev. Amos Crymes of Buckland Monachorum, Devon. The Captain had a son Rev. Amos Crymes (d. 1856), a son John who was also a naval officer and a daughter (his eldest) called Mary Anne who married a solicitor, Morgan Rice James. Another daughter Elizabeth died unmarried and another, Louisa, married James Summers, solicitor and County Treasurer. The entry is rather confusing as it says Emmelin died aged 22, but I have her aged 62 in 1891 and implies that Antony Bowen Owen Stokes was not living at St.Botolphs in the late 1880's. And when did Mary Ann marry her solicitor? Most confusing - this needs a bit more research. It would appear that there were two Mary Anns (see below) These were Crymes baptisms between 1837 and 1899 in the Rhos Hundred: Edward 1838 St.Ishmaels Emma Jane 1855 Hubberston Hester 1844 Hubberston Joseph Henry 1860 Hubberston Mary Jane 1838 St.Ishmaels and between 1813 and 1837: Anne 1835 St.Ishmaels Charles 1831 St.Ishmaels Elizabeth 1831 St.Ishmaels Emlin 1830 Steynton James 1836 St.Ishmaels John 1828 Steynton Joseph 1837 St.Ishmaels Mary Anne Eliza 1830 Steynton But the families were living in Haverfordwest in 1841: HO107/1450/2A, Haverfordwest St Mary, folio 12, page 18 Amos Crymes, 40 [to 44?], Clergyman Emlin Crymes, 12 Mary Crymes, 10 Mary Crymes, 39 HO107/1449/17 or 1450/1, Haverfordwest St Martin, folio 29A, page 15 Elizabeth Crymes, 45 [to 49], Ind. Mary Crymes, 75 [to 79], Ind. and in 1851: Hill Street, Haverfordwest St.Thomas Amos Crymes, head, 54, Perpetual Curate of St Martin, born Steynton Mary Ann Crymes, wife, 54, born Hubberston John Crymes, son, 23, born Steynton High Street, Haverfordwest St Mary Morgan R. James, head, 59, Attorney, born Narberth Mary A. James, wife, 60, born Steynton John C. James, son, 30, Attorney, born Haverfordwest Elizabeth R. James, daughter, 27, born Haverfordwest Margaret James, daughter, 24, born Haverfordwest William V. James, son, 23, Attorney's Articled Clerk, born Haverfordwest James James, son, 22, born Haverfordwest Rebecca James, relation, 64, born Haverfordwest Elizabeth Crymes, relation, 59, born Herbrandston and next door appear to be more relatives of the James family (which may or may not be relevant): Mary Ann Owen, head, widow, 32, Landed Proprietor, born Haverfordwest Mary J.H. Owen, daughter, 8, born Moylgrove Morris W.Ll. Owen, son, 7, scholar at home, born Moylgrove Frances l.W. Owen, daughter, 5, scholar at home, born Moylgrove Emlin M.Ll. Owen, daughter, 4, scholar at home, born Moylgrove Emlin L.James, sister, u/m, 20, born Haverfordwest [Emlin seems to be a name cropping up a lot.] and further south HO107/2477, Hubberston, folio 158, page 12 (from an index) Barbara Crymes, 51, born Marloes George Crymes, 17, born St.Ishmaels Hester Crymes, 6, born Hubberston James Crymes, 10, born Hubberston James Crymes, 43, born St.Ishmaels Joseph Crymes, 14, born St.Ishmaels HO107/2477, Steynton, folio 33, page 1 Mary Ann Crymes, 20, born Thornton [Steynton parish] (this is the one in the 1891 census). This all needs careful scrutiny to extract the relevant information! Gerry Lewis

Dear Virginia, Gerry, Rose etc., Is a veil of Welsh mist lifting or am I more confused than usual? Following Gerry's message, which gives the RN Captain John Crymes, son of the Devon born Rev. Amos Crymes, living in Steynton from the start ot the 1800's...there is a marriage in the pre-1813 Rhos Hundred for a John Crymes and Mary Andrews in 1788 at Steynton. A touch of intrigue, Rose, when I looked to see if there were entries for the surname Andrews as well as Andrew in the female records...just to check for myself that I'd got it right....the very next entry to the one for the above marriage was one between Mary Andrews in 1780 at Steynton to William Feild.....one of yours! Is it the same Mary Andrews....or were they cousins? Did your William Feild die and his widow remarry, with her initial surname appearing in the records? An Amos Crymes left a Will in 1856...earlier Crymes did not appear to leave Wills via the St. David's Probate records....but their estates may have been administered.....I don't have the index sheets which might show that fact. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > on 3/2/04 1:44 am, Virginia Edwards at [email protected] wrote: > > > I am interested in contacting someone with knowledge of the Crymes family in > > Pembrokeshire. > > > > Virginia > > > > Hello Virginia > > In my database of the 1891 census of west Pembrokeshire there is just one > CRYMES. > > She was Mary Anne Crymes aged 61, single, born Haverfordwest. She was living > with her sister Emlin [Emmelin] Stokes aged 62 and her husband Antony Bowen > Owen Stokes. He was described as a landed proprietor and they lived at St > Botolphs [House] in Steynton. he was a Lieutenant Colonel, who later became > Chief Constable of Pembrokeshire according to "Historic Pembrokeshire Houses > and their Families" > > That book also states that the Crymes family lived at Thornton House, > Steynton. Captain John Crymes RN lived there at the start of 19th Century. > He was the son of Rev. Amos Crymes of Buckland Monachorum, Devon. The > Captain had a son Rev. Amos Crymes (d. 1856), a son John who was also a > naval officer and a daughter (his eldest) called Mary Anne who married a > solicitor, Morgan Rice James. Another daughter Elizabeth died unmarried and > another, Louisa, married James Summers, solicitor and County Treasurer. > > The entry is rather confusing as it says Emmelin died aged 22, but I have > her aged 62 in 1891 and implies that Antony Bowen Owen Stokes was not living > at St.Botolphs in the late 1880's. And when did Mary Ann marry her > solicitor? Most confusing - this needs a bit more research. It would appear > that there were two Mary Anns (see below) > > These were Crymes baptisms between 1837 and 1899 in the Rhos Hundred: > > Edward 1838 St.Ishmaels > Emma Jane 1855 Hubberston > Hester 1844 Hubberston > Joseph Henry 1860 Hubberston > Mary Jane 1838 St.Ishmaels > > and between 1813 and 1837: > > Anne 1835 St.Ishmaels > Charles 1831 St.Ishmaels > Elizabeth 1831 St.Ishmaels > Emlin 1830 Steynton > James 1836 St.Ishmaels > John 1828 Steynton > Joseph 1837 St.Ishmaels > Mary Anne Eliza 1830 Steynton > > But the families were living in Haverfordwest in 1841: > > HO107/1450/2A, Haverfordwest St Mary, folio 12, page 18 > Amos Crymes, 40 [to 44?], Clergyman > Emlin Crymes, 12 > Mary Crymes, 10 > Mary Crymes, 39 > > HO107/1449/17 or 1450/1, Haverfordwest St Martin, folio 29A, page 15 > Elizabeth Crymes, 45 [to 49], Ind. > Mary Crymes, 75 [to 79], Ind. > > and in 1851: > > Hill Street, Haverfordwest St.Thomas > Amos Crymes, head, 54, Perpetual Curate of St Martin, born Steynton > Mary Ann Crymes, wife, 54, born Hubberston > John Crymes, son, 23, born Steynton > > High Street, Haverfordwest St Mary > > Morgan R. James, head, 59, Attorney, born Narberth > Mary A. James, wife, 60, born Steynton > John C. James, son, 30, Attorney, born Haverfordwest > Elizabeth R. James, daughter, 27, born Haverfordwest > Margaret James, daughter, 24, born Haverfordwest > William V. James, son, 23, Attorney's Articled Clerk, born Haverfordwest > James James, son, 22, born Haverfordwest > Rebecca James, relation, 64, born Haverfordwest > Elizabeth Crymes, relation, 59, born Herbrandston > > and next door appear to be more relatives of the James family (which may or > may not be relevant): > Mary Ann Owen, head, widow, 32, Landed Proprietor, born Haverfordwest > Mary J.H. Owen, daughter, 8, born Moylgrove > Morris W.Ll. Owen, son, 7, scholar at home, born Moylgrove > Frances l.W. Owen, daughter, 5, scholar at home, born Moylgrove > Emlin M.Ll. Owen, daughter, 4, scholar at home, born Moylgrove > Emlin L.James, sister, u/m, 20, born Haverfordwest > > [Emlin seems to be a name cropping up a lot.] > > and further south > > HO107/2477, Hubberston, folio 158, page 12 (from an index) > Barbara Crymes, 51, born Marloes > George Crymes, 17, born St.Ishmaels > Hester Crymes, 6, born Hubberston > James Crymes, 10, born Hubberston > James Crymes, 43, born St.Ishmaels > Joseph Crymes, 14, born St.Ishmaels > > HO107/2477, Steynton, folio 33, page 1 > Mary Ann Crymes, 20, born Thornton [Steynton parish] (this is the one in the > 1891 census). > > This all needs careful scrutiny to extract the relevant information! > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >