on 13/2/04 6:13 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, > George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my > great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great > grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I > can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, > I'd > like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they > are. > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A > surname? Etc. > > The names are as follows: > > Maly Crinw > Nely'r Lan > Jennie Tymawr > Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) > Morris (Maurice) > Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) > Morris Penbont > Benin > Twm (Tom) Llancewn > William - son of Harriett > > Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > Hello Leamarie There is a farm/house called Lan in Cilymaenllwyd and a place called Pen-y-bont newydd near Login. And another place called Penbontbren near Cwm-miles (see my other replies). Gerry Lewis

Dear Leamarie, If your great-great grandmother died in 1865 or 6, and you don't already have it, purchasing her death certificate might be of great help. You'd learn how old she was, therefore could work out her birthdate, perhaps then find her marriage certificate and her prior name. Some of the pallbearers may have been her brothers or nephews and carry her family name. They may have been her grandsons or granddaughter's husbands. Gerry has indicated possible place connections to the Cilymaenllwyd area in Carmarthenshire. This made me prick up my ears, as an Enoch Morgan Devonald was married there in 1836. Enoch was the son of Isaiah Devonald (one of my brick walls) and Rachel Morgan who was born at Grondre, Near Narberth. Rachel's father was a Daniel Morgan, presumably born in the 1750/60's. Cilymaenllwyd is next to Llandissilio and Egremont is not far away.....and whilst I have not been able to get any corresponding records for Egremont, marriage indices I do have include many Morgan/Morgans marriages for the Llandissilio area. As Enoch's children all seem to have married at Llandissilio and his siblings and their wives were from all around the same general areas, there might just be a vague connection. Some of the later Devonalds from this line are known to have emigrated to the USA. With a Rachel, an Isaiah and a Daniel...all religious names....the records I seek might be nonconformist....and, of course, there could be many different Morgan families in the area and no connection between yours and mine. You could perhaps look at the places (identified by Gerry) on the 1881 census Mormon CD if you have access to it, and then work backwards with previous censuses to see if the same family names were still there. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] names / places Lan Tymawr Crinw Benlan Penbont Llancewn > on 13/2/04 6:13 am, [email protected] at [email protected] > wrote: > > > Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, > > George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my > > great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great > > grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I > > can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, > > I'd > > like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they > > are. > > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A > > surname? Etc. > > > > The names are as follows: > > > > Maly Crinw > > Nely'r Lan > > Jennie Tymawr > > Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) > > Morris (Maurice) > > Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) > > Morris Penbont > > Benin > > Twm (Tom) Llancewn > > William - son of Harriett > > > > Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > > > > Hello Leamarie > > There is a farm/house called Lan in Cilymaenllwyd and a place called > Pen-y-bont newydd near Login. And another place called Penbontbren near > Cwm-miles (see my other replies). > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >