Shirley, I have recently joined the PEM list and have been browsing the archives. Are you still puzzled about Benjamin Nicholas? I have a suggestion about that father Gwen Nicholas: how about Owen? I have been looking at some of the registers and a capital O is often written open, almost like a C or G as we would write them. Do you have a photocopy of that marriage certificate, or just a transcription? Have you found any of the family in 1881? - I can see Rhoda in the D&D school aged 9 in 1881. Hope some of this is helpful Bill G-J