Dear Jocelyn, I can't thank you enough for all the information you have sent me. It will take some time to sift through it all. I have gone ahead and ordered John Brinn's birth certificate to see if there is a father named. I did it through the Free BMD and it was so easy. Unfortunately it gets to be quite expensive for us over the pond. I also bought some units at 1837 Online and found the death for Amelia and Lydia Brinn in the September quarter of 1860, Pembroke, 11a Page 337. It must have been difficult for twins to survive. All the information on the Griffiths family is fascinating and I just wish I could win a lottery and obtain all the necessary documents to put this family all together. Once again, Jocelyn thanks for all your help. Regards, Libby