Hi all, newbie here ,i have just traced my paternal line back to pembrokeshire. i have a thomas evans marrying a dorothy morse at the parish church in henry's moat on 30th march 1852. the fathers are david evans schoolmaster living at penbank and john morse farmer living at danycoed spellings as on certificate. i have found david evans (aged 81) on the 1851 census at penbank.married to a mary evans aged 56 and a daughter aged 16 named mary. place of birth is given as british subject for all members of the household as are the members of the household for dyffryn (next entry)not sure of the meaning for this . just wondering if anybody had details of schools in the area at around 1800 to 1850 penbank i think is just up from dyffryn which is on current maps. also wondered if anybody knew of this john morse . all the best chris

Chris - I've only ever seen the term "British Subject" on a census when the person concerned was born abroad to British subjects. You'll see plenty of these on the Pembs. censuses, especially in the garrisons of the Milford Haven forts and Pembroke Dock. (See Thorne Island in 1881 for a particularly poignant case.) However, if no foreign place of birth is given, it's my guess (and it's only a guess!) that the people concerned didn't know their place of birth, except that it was it the UK to parents who were British subjects. The enumerator may then have taken it on himself to make use of the term. After all, the 1851 Census was the first one in which the place of birth had to be given (the 1841 simply requiring the information as to whether the person was born in or out of the county concerned), and neither the enumerator nor his informants were used to the question! Barry Johnson Monmouthshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris Evans" <chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: newbie > Hi all, > newbie here ,i have just traced my paternal line back to pembrokeshire. > i have a thomas evans marrying a dorothy morse at the parish church in > henry's moat on 30th march 1852. > the fathers are david evans schoolmaster living at penbank > and john morse farmer living at danycoed > spellings as on certificate. > i have found david evans (aged 81) on the 1851 census at penbank.married > to > a mary evans aged 56 and a daughter aged 16 named mary. > place of birth is given as british subject for all members of the > household > as are the members of the household for dyffryn (next entry)not sure of > the > meaning for this . > > just wondering if anybody had details of schools in the area at around > 1800 > to 1850 > penbank i think is just up from dyffryn which is on current maps. > > also wondered if anybody knew of this john morse . > all the best > > chris > > ______________________________

Dear Chris, We are always happy to see Newbies. I don't recall having seen "British subject" written as place of birth previously, maybe it means that they were all born in the UK. I had a quick look at the 1861 index for Henry's Moat.....I may have missed her as many words are difficult to decipher, but I could not see Mary Evans who would probably have been widowed by that time. In the Land Tax records for Henry's Moat in 1808 there is a David Evans tenant at part of Penrallt. He may be the David Evans of Henry's Moat who married Mary Miles at Castlebythe on 19/05/1818. She could well be the Mary Evans a Lodger at the home of William and Ann Mathias, in nearby Jordanstown, aged 71 in 1861 and shown as born at Castlebythe. I have an interest in the Morse name, but unfortunately not all Morse families who lived in Pembrokeshire originated there. There are marriages for males named John Morse in 1814, 3 in 1816, 1825 and 1836 in the Pembrokeshire indexes, but none seem to really match your requirements. I can't find the properties Penbank or Danycoed on the Henry's Moat land tax.......do you have Thomas and Dorothy's ages? The 1841 census would at least show their ages rounded, and for David and Mary, if they were born out of the County or not. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris Evans" <chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:37 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] newbie > Hi all, > newbie here ,i have just traced my paternal line back to pembrokeshire. > i have a thomas evans marrying a dorothy morse at the parish church in > henry's moat on 30th march 1852. > the fathers are david evans schoolmaster living at penbank > and john morse farmer living at danycoed > spellings as on certificate. > i have found david evans (aged 81) on the 1851 census at penbank.married to > a mary evans aged 56 and a daughter aged 16 named mary. > place of birth is given as british subject for all members of the household > as are the members of the household for dyffryn (next entry)not sure of the > meaning for this . > > just wondering if anybody had details of schools in the area at around 1800 > to 1850 > penbank i think is just up from dyffryn which is on current maps. > > also wondered if anybody knew of this john morse . > all the best > > chris > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

Hi bettye, many thanks for the lookup . thomas was born circa 1822 dorothy was born circa 1829 from the various census entries i have come across ,the only tenious link i have to a place of birth is in the 1881 census it list her being born in Llanonder pem this could be an anglocized misspelling of Llanwda as in previous census she has down born fishguard district pem .she appears to have been illiterate when she married as she made a mark whereas thomas signed it . i have come to the conclusion that the family migrated to glam about 1856-8 and strongly suspect it was about the time his father died as that would make sense i have a few entries for the death certificate of a david evans haverfordwest for those years but will probably bimble over their to have a look in the graveyards to see if their is any evidence pin pointing a more precise date etc as i am staying in cardiff for the upcoming wales versus austria football game and cant remeber visiting pembrokeshire before. all the best chris evans cold wet and blustery warwickshire > From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:34:37 +1100 > To: "chris Evans" <chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com>, > <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] newbie > > Dear Chris, > > We are always happy to see Newbies. >