Hello Chris Re "British subject" as a birthplace - I have usually come across this for those who were born outside of the UK but who were British Subjects. In most cases the country is also given e.g Bombay, India (B.S.) This may be the answer here - or as all are shown as such including the next household - maybe it was just the way it was expressed. Some people just have "Pembrokeshire" and some just have "Wales" as a birthplace. As 1851 was the first census to show birthplace - 1841 just having y for in county and N for not in county - things may have been a bit uncertain in some areas. Looking at the family in 1841 they all have Y for born in county!!!! Do you have them in 1861? If not - do you have any idea where they were? They were not in Henrys Moat (unless I missed them when I looked) In case you don't have 1841 here is the entry:- parish of Henrys Moat Folio 8 page 11 Penbank David Evan 70 Schoolmaster Y Mary " 45 Y Thomas " 20 Y Levi " 15 Y Ann " 12 Y David " 9 Y Mary " 6 Y Do you think this is the parents' marriage? May 19 1818 David Evans of Henrys Moat married Mary Miles in Castlebythe Re John Morse - there are several John Morse, farmer and John Morse Ag Lab in Pembrokeshire census in 1841 - but I can't see a Dorothy Morse at all (except one who was much too young) How old was she on the marriage certificate? (possibly "of full age" which tells us very little) There is no Morse family in Danycoed in Henrys Moat - possibly there were in a different Danycoed - or more likely Dorothy was working in Danycoed in henrys Moat when ahe met Thomas. You said here father was living at Danucoed - but presumably you meant the "residence" quoted on the marriage certificate was Danycoed which would have been the residence for Dorothy - not necessarily her family home. Can you give us the witnesses to the marriage - sometime they give a clue. As you have traced back to these two families - can you give the links - where did Thomas and Dorothy and their family move to? Hoping to track down some information for you. Pat In message <BE43B367.400E9%chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com>, chris Evans <chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com> writes >Hi all, >newbie here ,i have just traced my paternal line back to pembrokeshire. >i have a thomas evans marrying a dorothy morse at the parish church in >henry's moat on 30th march 1852. >the fathers are david evans schoolmaster living at penbank >and john morse farmer living at danycoed >spellings as on certificate. >i have found david evans (aged 81) on the 1851 census at penbank.married to >a mary evans aged 56 and a daughter aged 16 named mary. >place of birth is given as british subject for all members of the household >as are the members of the household for dyffryn (next entry)not sure of the >meaning for this . > >just wondering if anybody had details of schools in the area at around 1800 >to 1850 >penbank i think is just up from dyffryn which is on current maps. > >also wondered if anybody knew of this john morse . >all the best > >chris > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Hi pat, thank you very much,this is a very friendly list it appears didnt expect any replies for ages. i have only been doing this research for a few months so have been very pleased that this line has been the most profitable. the forward passage of time for the family is as follows. thomas evans (30)marries dorothy morse (23) 30th march 1852 henry's moat thomas residence penbank dorothy residence danycoed. witnesses seth reynolds and stephen phillips. curate :lewis davies in 1861 census they are living at 165 harriet street aberdare glamorgan. thomas 40 blast furnace lab p.o.b pem dorothy 33 pem fishguard martha 8 pem fishguard john 6 pem fishguard david 3 glam Llansamlet evan 1 glam llansamlet this makes them leaving pem in about 1858 1871 20 clive place cwmdare ,aberdare thomas evans 49 coal lab p.o.b henrys moat dorothy 42 parish nk pem john 17 tailor henrys moat david 14 Llansamlet evan 12 llansamlet james 9 aberdare william 5 aberdare george 2 aberdare i am descended from the john evans line so this is where he goes. married anne williams 30 sept 1874 brigend register office 1881 living at mount pleasant coity higher (just outside bridgend) glam. he now has taken his mothers maiden name as a middle name and given it to all the other members of his family. john morse evans 27 tailor p.o.b pembrokeshire parish nk anne morse evans 23 glam glyndwr 6 glam st brides minor cadwaladr 5 " " myfanwy 3 glam 1891 5 bettws rd ynysawdre just north of bridgend . john morse evans 37 tailor p.o.b glam aberdare anne morse evans 33 glam aberkenfig glyndwr 16 coal miner st brides minor cadwaladr 15 coal miner st brides minor myfanwy 13 st brides minor john morse evans had a total of 10 surviving children all named after welsh figures from history. he died in 1900 of his 10 children all but cadwaladr emigrated and settled in the usa or canada . i am descended from cadwaladr and now live on the wrong side of the border;-) one of cadwaladrs daug married a dutch man and now lives in holland. their is no family oral tradition that any were born abroad just that they had been farmers and migrated to the coal fields. thanks for the 1841 entry i had missed it when i popped into london to look at the bmd's and census . hope this isnt boring everybody. the marriage entry you have found certainly fits the dates for john's birth being 1821/2 . i was amazed at the age difference and the fact he was a schoolmaster and hence literate . for the marriage entry do you know where i can go to see the complete entry to see if i can discover any more clues. thank you for youre help chris evans > From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:04:38 +0000 > To: chris Evans <chris.m.evans@ntlworld.com> > Cc: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re Thomas Evans and Dorothy Morse > > Hello Chris > > Re "British subject" as a birthplace - I have usually come across this > for those who were born outside of the UK but who were British Subjects.