on 28/12/04 3:14 pm, Bryn at brynevans@btinternet.com wrote: > Hi, I am seeking information of the date of birth and parents of Martha > JAMES, bornWalton East, Pembrokeshire. bp 1837. buried 31/3/1928. She > married Richard Evans of Bosherton, 24/4/1858. Thanks Bryn > > Hello Bryn The only Martha James living in Walton West in 1841 was 6 years old (this census does not give birth parishes, so whether there is another Martha in a nearby parish who is more of the right age is the right one - who knows? The 6 year old has a 35-39 year old mother? Phebe, described as independent, a sister? Elizabeth aged 4, a brother? Stephen aged 5 (ref HO107/1445/20, Walton West, folio 5 page 5). In the 1851 census, Elizabeth is shown as having been born in Maenchlochog, Phebe in Llanycefn. No sign of Martha, but a 16 year old Stephen in Ambleston has a birth parish of New Moat. Gerry Lewis

Dear Listers Ancestor - David Thomas born abot 1851 in Llanllawer died 1916 - first wife was Elizabeth (born Llanrhian) born abt 1852 - son born in 1881 William, Elizabeth died soon after. David remarried - Eleanor Williams of Ty Cam Llanllawer and they had sone John (Eleanor had an illegitimate child - Stephen_ Trying to trace David's parents - so far to no avail = as cannot find David's birth! any help would be greatly appreciated Many thanks & Nadolig Llawen Melanie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/04

Hi, I am seeking information of the date of birth and parents of Martha JAMES, bornWalton East, Pembrokeshire. bp 1837. buried 31/3/1928. She married Richard Evans of Bosherton, 24/4/1858. Thanks Bryn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004

Following Gerry's example, I thought I'd transcribe a document I obtained last July at Pembrokeshire R.O. in case it is of interest to anyone else. Note: the right and top margin of the paper is rather ilegible, in which case I will insert ??, and the writer did write over the margins! PRP Reference:MF326, Copyright reserved/ Ludchurch 1740 James ?? ?? Buried November ye ?? W?? ?? of Lewis Williams and Jane Baptized December ?? Roger Rogers and Elizabeth James Married by ?? December 21th Theophilus son of Theophilus Harry & Elizabeth Baptized ?? Jos. Prees Buried xbr ye 25th.Joan Sanders Bur. xbr ye 30th. 1741 John Reynald buried April ye 12th Jane Daught. of George Philp and Elizabeth Baptized June ye 17th {or 14th} Jane Philp buried July the 1st. Nicholas Philip buried July ye 9th Griffith and Ann son and daughter of Thomas Phillip & Elizabeth Baptized September ye 27th Margar't Badam buried 9ber ye 24th Jennet James buried January ye 1st Lewis Smyth buried Feb ye 2d Elizabeth Daughter of Lewis Williams & Jane Baptd Feb ye 13th. Rob't Baddam and Mary Prees Mar'd by Banns March ye 6 Mom Geo. Philp disturbed ye ?? on Friday(?) ye same day 1742 David son of Thomas James and Hester Bapt'd May ye ?? Henry Floyd buried May ye 10th Mary Daughtr of Jos. James & Margaret Bapt'd 7ber ye 12th Thomas Rynald and Mary Lewis married by Banns Nobr. ye sixth Philip Bowen and Jane Morrice mar'd by Banns 9ber 13th (or ye 30th?) Mr. John Davies & Mrs. Mary Davies mar'd by Lycence ?? tuesday Jan ye 2d. 1743 Elizabeth Daught'r of Wm. James & Mary Bapt'd Apr ?? Jeremiah Parsel and Rebecca Phillips Married by Banns published 8ber ye 29th Elizab. Daughter of Morris Owen and Mary Bapt zed November ye 12th Edward son of John James & Elizab. Baptd Jan ye ?? Rebecca Daughter of Philip Bowen & Jane Baptd Jan 30 Wm. son of Theo. Harry & Elizab Bapt Feb ye 16th 1744 Thos. son of Thos. Philip & Eliz. Bapt May 20 David Harry buried Augst ye 7th George son of Thomas James & Hester Bapt'd September ye ?? Eliz. Daughtr of Edward Philip & Bridget Baptd 9ber 23d Ann Daughtr of Roger Rogers & Elizabeth Baptized Feb ?? Ann Daughtr of Jos. David & Martha Baptd March ye ?? Wm. & Mary son & Daughtr of Wm James & Mary Bapt ?? ___________ PS the abbreviations are the writer's, and I have no idea what the 'disturbed' entry is all about. Rachel CT USA

I know there is a list of the Mayors for Pembroke. I recently read that there are also published lists for Tenby and Haverfordwest. Can anyone tell me where I might find copies of these latter lists. Thanks, Bob

I was looking through the fiche forBlaenwaun Baptist chapel St. Dogmaels when I saw the name HAGSTROM. DANIEL.S. ( D 19 ) The name seemed familiar and I know I've seen it on the lists sometime........so if this helps anyone .............. Happy new year to all Mo. Hughes

A very big Thank you Gareth for your dedication to the lists, and wishing you and all the listers a wonderful holiday season. Rachel Meriden CT USA

I wish all the Listers a Merry Christmas and a Happy,Healthy and Prosperous New Year.Happy hunting for next year. Best Wishes, Sheila,Sufflok.

Hi Jim If George was a shipwright he could have served in Plymouth Dockyard. Many men from there transferred to Pembroke Dock after it opened in 1814. So you could also look for a marriage in Stoke Damerel - the parish church for Plymouth Dockyard. This is where I found a marriage for my g.g.grandfather before he appeared on the paybook for Pembroke Dock. Prior to 1814 a dockyard was started, but never completed in Milford, so many men continued living there crossing the Haven by ferry to work in the Pembroke yard. Bye for now Joy

Have a Merry Christmas everyone ! Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists

Wiahing you all a very Happy Christmas and lots of luck in 2005!! Pat -- Pat Powell

Dear Gerry Many thanks again. All the best for Christmas and 2005. Regards, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Looking for RUTTER marriage and baptisms -MilfordHaven - 1820s and 1830s > on 23/12/04 12:53 am, JIM CLAY at jim.clay1@btopenworld.com wrote: > > > Hello Gerry > > > > Thanks so much for looking, I think you may have moved me several paces > > forward in my search! I may be able to claim Susannah, Elizabeth and > > Charlotte - the birth dates fit the ages I have from the 1841 census for > > Dover, Kent - and George Pyne is probably their brother. His middle name > > could point me to the christening of Rosamond his mother - the IGI has 2 > > Rosamond Pyne christenings in Brixham in 1798 and 1800, either of which > > could be her, although the 1800 is more likely, and the Rutter family had a > > habit of using mothers' or other close family surnames as middle names for > > the boys. No marriage record found in Brixham unfortunately. I don't know > > of the 2 Mary Annes or Matilda, but that's not to say they're not related. > > > > Do the records you're quoting hold any other info? Whatever, it seems > > obvious that these baptism records hold the key to this particular puzzle! > > > > Very many thanks again. > > > > Best wishes, Jim > > Hello Jim > > The information is from an index. Baptisms between 1813 and 1837 were > written in standardised books which gave the baptism date, the parent's > names, their abode and the "quality, trade or profession" (of the father). > The books are (or were) at the Pembrokeshire Record Office in Haverfordwest. > > Gerry Lewis > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.820 / Virus Database: 558 - Release Date: 20/12/04

On 24/12/2004 10:23:30, Maureen Hughes (mohugs@tiscali.co.uk) wrote: > HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND A GREAT NEW YEAR TO ALL FELLOW LISTERS > FROM > MO HUGHES (RUISLIP . MIDDLESEX ) > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html and a very happy Christmas to you Mo and to all the people on the lists. Though I never actually post very often the list has been so helpful and informative this Year so many thanks for all the information! Janet Tweedy (Amersham, Bucks.) -- Janet Tweedy Researching MABE, JOHNS, GUNN

HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND A GREAT NEW YEAR TO ALL FELLOW LISTERS FROM MO HUGHES (RUISLIP . MIDDLESEX )

on 23/12/04 12:53 am, JIM CLAY at jim.clay1@btopenworld.com wrote: > Hello Gerry > > Thanks so much for looking, I think you may have moved me several paces > forward in my search! I may be able to claim Susannah, Elizabeth and > Charlotte - the birth dates fit the ages I have from the 1841 census for > Dover, Kent - and George Pyne is probably their brother. His middle name > could point me to the christening of Rosamond his mother - the IGI has 2 > Rosamond Pyne christenings in Brixham in 1798 and 1800, either of which > could be her, although the 1800 is more likely, and the Rutter family had a > habit of using mothers' or other close family surnames as middle names for > the boys. No marriage record found in Brixham unfortunately. I don't know > of the 2 Mary Annes or Matilda, but that's not to say they're not related. > > Do the records you're quoting hold any other info? Whatever, it seems > obvious that these baptism records hold the key to this particular puzzle! > > Very many thanks again. > > Best wishes, Jim Hello Jim The information is from an index. Baptisms between 1813 and 1837 were written in standardised books which gave the baptism date, the parent's names, their abode and the "quality, trade or profession" (of the father). The books are (or were) at the Pembrokeshire Record Office in Haverfordwest. Gerry Lewis

Gerry, Thank you for offering to continue searches in 1891. I was very surprised to find a relative in the 1891 on line index and would be pleased to have furthur details. Abode-Pembroke St. Mary, Name; William Roberts, male , 27 years, born Honeyborough. Happy Christmas from Goodwick! Myra

John, I have an Allice Duggan born about 1781 in Pembrokeshire married to John Phillips in 1803. I have not researched the Duggan line any further but someone has sent me a printout of a Duggan family tree which I can forward to your e-mail if you want. Regards, Joan

Hi Gerry, Very well done, we'll support you. Keep it in the family. By the way, when do you expect to get to Castlemartin Hundred? Hearty Seasonal Greetings. Regards, John. (Hertfordshire) Researching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (SW Pembs) early 1800s. DYFED FHS Member.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] New site for Pem census searches - cross posting : on 21/12/04 10:14 pm, Gareth at gareth@tytwp.plus.com wrote: : : > I'm pleased to be able to pass on the news that the following new : > Pembrokeshire specific site is now up and running. : > : > ################## : > Cenquest : > http://www.cenquest.co.uk/ : > A new site (Dec 2004) established with support from Pembrokeshire County : > Council - offers free searches of census indexes for Pembrokeshire : > Search Results = Civil parishes/ Forenames/Surname/Sex/Age/Place of Birth. : > The initial offering is the Pem 1891 census, with 1871 to follow next. : > The data has been checked by Welsh speakers with the objectives of : > clarifying dubious entries and locating obscure places. : > Viewing of a full transcription is on a Pay per View basis. : > ##################### : : Hello list : : My incomplete (45,000 records so far) database of the 1891 Pembrokeshire : census looks as if it has been upstaged somewhat. : : However, my searches are free and include place of habitation, relationship : and occupation as well as the other information. It has not been done in a : hurry as much checking has been done on names, and the transcription has : been made from microfiche, not digital images. I will continue to add to the : database as time permits. Enquiries either through the list or direct to me. : : The Hundreds completed so far (easiest way to list): : Rhos, Dewisland, western and southern Cemais, Dungleddy (except Llandisilio) : and northern Narberth : : Gerry Lewis : : : ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== : Pembrokeshire Archives : email claire.orr@pembrokeshire.gov.uk :

Dear Jim Pembrokeshire Marriages 1813 - 1837 doesn't seem to include a Rutter marriage. Eleazar is an unusual name; is it biblical? If you know the circumstances or any information about Geroge Rutter coming to Australia I would be interested to know, as my gg grandfather, James Millard Phelps, came to Sydney from Tenby, Pembrokeshire, at about that time. I am not certain which ship he came on and do not have any information about the motivation for his leaving Tenby. Apart from seeking assistance from the Haverfordwest Record Office I'm afraid I don't have any ideas regarding the baptisms, Regards Megan Phelps Sydney, Australia. On 23/12/2004, at 6:56 AM, JIM CLAY wrote: > Hello listers > > This is my first posting to this list. > > I am trying to locate a marriage for Eleazar RUTTER and Rosamond > (maiden name unknown) which will have taken place about 1820, I know > not where (he was a mariner, born Dover, Kent; she was apparently born > in Devon, possibly Brixham). So why am I looking in Pembs? Please > read on. > > George RUTTER who emigrated to Australia about 1851 was said on his > death cert to have been born in Milford Haven, the son of Eleazer > RUTTER, and Eleazer's occupation was given as R.M.P. Service (which > I'm guessing, and trying to confirm, refers to the Royal Mail Packet > Service). > > Eleazer is understood to have died sometime after 1835 and before > 1841, and on the 1841 census, Rosamond was living in Dover, Kent with > 4 daughters, 3 of whom were NOT born in Kent. > > The discovery of son George, said to be born in Milford Haven, makes > me wonder whether some or all of the 3 non-Kent born daughters could > also have been born in Milford Haven, but an examination of the IGI > for all parishes I can find within a 6 mile radius of Milford shows no > Rutters at all (but It appears that the IGI has no Anglican church > records for Milford any way) According to GENUKI, the PRs for Milford > and Steynton are held at Pembroke Record Office. > > Do any listers have access to the PRs for the period in question > (roughly 1820-1835) and could confirm whether a marriage for Eleazar > RUTTER and Rosamond (about 1820) or baptisms for any of their > children, George, Susanna, Elizabeth or Charlotte, are recorded? > > Many thanks for reading this. > > Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. > > Regards, Jim in Essex > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.820 / Virus Database: 558 - Release Date: 20/12/04 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

Hello Gerry Thanks so much for looking, I think you may have moved me several paces forward in my search! I may be able to claim Susannah, Elizabeth and Charlotte - the birth dates fit the ages I have from the 1841 census for Dover, Kent - and George Pyne is probably their brother. His middle name could point me to the christening of Rosamond his mother - the IGI has 2 Rosamond Pyne christenings in Brixham in 1798 and 1800, either of which could be her, although the 1800 is more likely, and the Rutter family had a habit of using mothers' or other close family surnames as middle names for the boys. No marriage record found in Brixham unfortunately. I don't know of the 2 Mary Annes or Matilda, but that's not to say they're not related. Do the records you're quoting hold any other info? Whatever, it seems obvious that these baptism records hold the key to this particular puzzle! Very many thanks again. Best wishes, Jim > > The following RUTTER baptisms took place in Steynton parish (which includes > Milford Haven): > > Mary Anne 1821 > Matilda 1825 > Mary Anne 1825 > Susannah 1826 > George Pyne 1828 > Elizabeth 1830 > Charlotte 1833 > > No burials. > > If Rosamund was from Brixham that's where I'd look for a marriage. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.820 / Virus Database: 558 - Release Date: 21/12/04