Hi all, Second message of the season :) According to the IGI, there was a William THOMAS christened in Lamphey on 29th July 1810, son of Samuel and Catherine, to be followed by several siblings over the next 18 years. This William THOMAS is probably the one I mentioned in the last post about apprenticeships. I also have a death certificate for a Samuel THOMAS, who died in Lamphey on 26th November 1845. He was a coachman and the death was reported by Thomas THOMAS of West Hill Gate. Does anyone know of these people? Any advice on how to check if these Samuels are the same person? Ta, Jo ===== Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Jo Have a look at this short piece on my Help Page, and use the link from there to the National Archives feature. http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks3.html#Apprentices My impression is that the legal requirement for formal trade apprenticeships had largely gone by c1814. I guess you're wondering if you have the same man with these occupational differences ! Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Thomas" <journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Searching for apprenticeship records [crossposting] > Hi all, > > Hope you've had a good Christmas and are recovering from the > seasonal/New Year's excesses! > > I'd like to know if there's anywhere to look up apprenticeships. And > specifically, here's my trouble-some ancestor: > > In the 1850 Hunts Directory, William THOMAS is listed as a teacher > (under schools) in Pembroke [directories can be found at > http://www.historicaldirectories.org/]. The family later moved to > Nantgarw in Glamorgan and he taught at the National School there. > Unfortunately the Chursh of England holds no records for that school, > but he was listed in the 1865 Websters and the 1866 Harrods as the > teacher there. He also gave his occupation in the 1861 and 1871 > censuses and in the parish registers. However, on the birth > certificate of his eldest son (George Samuel) and on the 1841 census he > gave his occupation as 'Joiner'. In the 1851 census and for the > wedding of his son Edward in 1870, he's a carpenter. I have the idea > that to work as/claim to be either a carpenter or a joiner, William > would had to have done an apprenticeship. Is there anyway of checking > this out? > > Ta, > Jo > > ===== > Joanne Thomas > journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk > http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email claire.orr@pembrokeshire.gov.uk > > > >

Hi all, Hope you've had a good Christmas and are recovering from the seasonal/New Year's excesses! I'd like to know if there's anywhere to look up apprenticeships. And specifically, here's my trouble-some ancestor: In the 1850 Hunts Directory, William THOMAS is listed as a teacher (under schools) in Pembroke [directories can be found at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/]. The family later moved to Nantgarw in Glamorgan and he taught at the National School there. Unfortunately the Chursh of England holds no records for that school, but he was listed in the 1865 Websters and the 1866 Harrods as the teacher there. He also gave his occupation in the 1861 and 1871 censuses and in the parish registers. However, on the birth certificate of his eldest son (George Samuel) and on the 1841 census he gave his occupation as 'Joiner'. In the 1851 census and for the wedding of his son Edward in 1870, he's a carpenter. I have the idea that to work as/claim to be either a carpenter or a joiner, William would had to have done an apprenticeship. Is there anyway of checking this out? Ta, Jo ===== Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello all. This is my first posting to this list.I believe that I may be on the threshhold of knocking my brickwall down.Fingers crossed. I have found a George Golding ,born in 1822 in Haversfordwest; but living in 'High St. Abergavenny ' on the 1871 census. He was a Jeweller. If anyone could help me to go further with this line of enquiry, I would be most grateful. Happy New Year to one and all, Madeleine.

Happy New Year to you all As a Christmas present I finally received confirmation that my Charles Beynon (born 1842 Haverfordwest) did indeed marry Patience Hattin (born 1849 Hook Norton, Oxford), and had several children - the most important in my research being Charles David Beynon, born 1873 Tenby. There are several things I am trying to tie in now:to confirm his parents. I have the family in the 1881 census at Upper frog st Tenby, but I cannot find any of them in 1891 or 1901 on-line. Charles snr and Patience could still be in Tenby or possibly moved to Wolverhampton, as I know Charles David married in Wolverhampton in 1899 (I cannot find him in 1891 or him and his wife Clara in 1901) I know details of Patience's family, but I am wondering if anyone has access to christening records for Charles Beynon (as I say I think he was born 1842 in Haverfordwest, and married in 1870 - but that was in Banbury). One possible set of parents I have for Charles are David and Hannah Beynon, both born Haverfordwest about 1815 - Hannah's maiden name may have been John Thank you to those kind people on the list who threw me possible pointers for the Beynons last year - they have proved very helpful Regards Amanda

Dear William, I gathered much Merchant/Marchant material when I had a quick look at some of the records I hold...I'll try and sort some which might interest you. First ...my own peripheral interest, not a direct interest....Robert Griffiths of Penybenglog had three sisters, incl. Anne who married Thomas Merchant, Gent of Manorbier-Newton. She died in 1761 and was aged 74 according to Major Jones' Historic Houses of Pembs. book, i.e. her birth year would be c.1687. I suspect she was the Ann Marchant whose Will was proved at Lamphey in 1762 and her husband may be the Thomas Marchant whose Will was proved at Lamphey in 1763, but I have no proof. My interest is in Ann's sisters. The earliest family members you gave were Richard Merchant/Marchant and Mary Watkins...married at St. Petrox 1772 (Mary, born Stackpole Elidor about 1749). I understand St. Petrox is quite close to Manorbier, so there may be some connection between your interest and mine. The Castlemartin Hundred pre-1813 marriage index is a pain.....one section for males, one for females...but the dates do match for Richard Marchant and Mary Watkins so you may already have the marriage register entry. Do you know who acted as their witnesses in 1772? Mary was born in Stackpole Elidor, the only Watkins marriage I could find there was for Gelly Watkins at Stackpole in 1686, but I don't know who he married.....the Records Office could probably supply this information. The only marriage in this Hundred anywhere near Mary's birthdate was Roger Watkins who married in 1757 at Pwllcrochan. The "Gelly" name is quite fascinating.....all the other Gellys of Pembrokeshire seem to have some connection to the property Gelliswick, Hubberston ....Gelly Barrett, Sir Gelly Meyrick etc. Unfortunately Gelly Watkins does not appear to have left a will. There is a Will for Henry Watkin of Stackpole otherwise Cheriton in 1782, John Watkins of Manorbier in 1767 and William Watkins in Manorbier 1793. If you don't already have them, I would suggest you ask Haverfordwest Records Office for copies of St. David's Probate index sheets for the names of Merchant/Marchant/Watkin/Watkins/Watkyn. I don't have these particular sheets...they show Bonds, Grants & Inventories as well as Will details. You can order will abstracts from Haverfordwest, but if you need the other material or full wills, they can only be obtained from The National Library at Aberystwyth, which uses the same St. David's numbering system as shown on the index sheets. Some Listers will tell you it is cheaper to order the will films through the Mormon Family History Centres...that is your prerogative, but being in Oz I do it my way! Of course, you could order a few will abstracts from Haverfordwest if any of the information I've given seems relevant. Your Richard Merchant/Marchant would probably have been born about 1740 to 1752 or so. A George Merchant was married 1751 at Monkton, and another George at PMA (Pemb. St. Mary?) in 1754....Richard Merchant married at Stackpole Elidor in 1744, another Richard is recorded in 1750 at Bosherston whilst there are also marriages of Marchants which took place in Rhos 100, including John Marchant who married Mary Lewis at Hubberston in 1754 . Another avenue is the Marriage Licence records at The National Library. There is one for Thomas Marchant at Carew? (Caeriw) Pemb. July 15, 1759 and Mary Lewis, and George Merchant (blank) 1718 who applied to marry Jenett Nash. I presume she was the Jennet Merchant whose Will was proved at Martletwy in 1737. There are wills for a George Merchant 1791 Manorbier, and Mary Merchant in 1771 St. Michael's Pembrokeshire, plus a John Merchant at Penally in 1713. No leaves, no twigs...but perhaps a tiny tendril or two here. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william Marchant" <william.marchant@tiscali.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Merchant family tree > Seasons greetings everyone. Have come to a full stop with my family researches- I live in Kent! My Gr/Grandfather was Richard M b.1817 Wiston. m. Elizabeth Jones 1836, Martletwy. 2xGr /Grandfather was Henry M b.1875 St, Petrox. m.1812 Elizabeth Francis of Slebech.. His father was Richard M m. 1772 St Petrox to Mary Watkins b. Stackpole Elidir c 1749.Any twigs or leaves you can put on my tree, gratefully received. > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

Hi, I too have Merchant ancestors - although I don't know anything of them. One of my Great, greats was Catherine Merchant. Catherine married Richard Feild on 13/11/1733 at St. Mary's, Haverfordwest. It was noted in the registers that she was of the parish of St. Mary, Pembroke. I no know more about Catherine and do not know who her parents were. Rose in Surrey

Hi Robert PRO/TNA Ref. RG13 Piece No 4156 Folio 73 Page 18 Schedule No 89 Market Street, Pembroke Dock George Nash, Head, Mar, 40, Soldier, Wilts, Brompton Mariam Nash, Wife, Mar, 24, - , Wilts, Forsheston Dianna C Nash, Dau, - , 1, - , Pembroke Dock All spellings are as in the census NB Diana Charity Nash was baptised at the Dockyard Chapel (C of E) 1861. Full entry details obtainable from Pembrokeshire Record Office. Bye for now Joy

Hi List; I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master mariner, captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in Cardigan. John's first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him with two children Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in Pembroke in 1849 and at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was shipwrecked and died in 1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still living in St. Dogmells according to her second marriage certificate. I would very much appreciate a look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in the Cardigan/St.Dogmells area with John, and possibly Jane and William. Thanks for any help or guidance given. Best wishes, Brenda USA

Seasons greetings everyone. Have come to a full stop with my family researches- I live in Kent! My Gr/Grandfather was Richard M b.1817 Wiston. m. Elizabeth Jones 1836, Martletwy. 2xGr /Grandfather was Henry M b.1875 St, Petrox. m.1812 Elizabeth Francis of Slebech.. His father was Richard M m. 1772 St Petrox to Mary Watkins b. Stackpole Elidir c 1749.Any twigs or leaves you can put on my tree, gratefully received.

Hello Jean According to my book of saints St Cawdraf was a 6th century saint , a disciple of St Seiriol - also linked to Abererch in Gwynedd and Llangoed in Anglesey. St Gwyndaf was a 6th cent king linked to Llanwnda in Dyfed and Llanwnda in Gwynedd. Cheers Pat In message <41D5B4C8.4040500@onetel.com>, Jean Kelly <jeffcob@onetel.com> writes >Hello, > >Would anyone happen to know whether St. Cwrda of Jordanstown is the same >saint as St. Cawrdaf? In view of the apparent similarity of name, one >would suppose that they were; but it's always nice to check (especially >as I'm a non-Welsh-speaker). Another saint who seems to lose his final >"f" on occasion is St. Gwyndaf - or Gwynda. Confusingly, Llanwnda, >Pembs., is described as having St. Gwyndaf for its patron; but another >site lists the patron saint as being Cawrdaf! I'm sure there must be >some simple explanation ... would anyone be able to shed any light ?? > >Best regards, and Happy New Year to everyone, > >Jean Kelly > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Hi Robert, Your Nash family are at Market Street, Pembroke Dock in the 1861 census: RG9/4156, page 18 George Nash, 40, soldier Miriam Nash, 24 Dianna C? Nash, 1 Hope this helps, Jan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 28/12/2004

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Dear Jean, Happy New Year to you too. In Laws "The History of Little England Beyond Wales page 55 a reference is made to a publication named Rees's Welsh Saints......I don't have any more information, unfortunately, but someone may know of it. Under the heading of "Armorican", Laws gives the information that Gwyndaf was a son of Emyr Llydaw, an Amorican regulus, and that Emyr was a nephew of Garmon, Bishop of Auxerre. Gwyndaf is said to have founded Llanwnda....and if split into two words "Llan wnda" I can understand how it gained the name. Hermon's Hill in Haverfordwest is presumed to take its name from Garmon. As Garmon led a mission in the 5th. century, I would surmise that the names, like other aspects of the local language evolved with time, but I am willing to stand corrected. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Kelly" <jeffcob@onetel.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 7:21 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] St. Cwrda, Jordanstown, Pembs.; St. Cawrdaf; St. Gwyndaf > Hello, > > Would anyone happen to know whether St. Cwrda of Jordanstown is the same > saint as St. Cawrdaf? In view of the apparent similarity of name, one > would suppose that they were; but it's always nice to check (especially > as I'm a non-Welsh-speaker). Another saint who seems to lose his final > "f" on occasion is St. Gwyndaf - or Gwynda. Confusingly, Llanwnda, > Pembs., is described as having St. Gwyndaf for its patron; but another > site lists the patron saint as being Cawrdaf! I'm sure there must be > some simple explanation ... would anyone be able to shed any light ?? > > Best regards, and Happy New Year to everyone, > > Jean Kelly > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

Hi, l wonder if someone could kindly do a 1861 look up for me?. My ggGrandfather was George NASH born c1820 in Bapton, Wilts his wife is Miriam born c1825 Fisherton, Wilts, and they had a daughter Diana born Feb 1861 in Market Street, Pembroke Dock. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards and a happy new year. Robert.

Hello, Would anyone happen to know whether St. Cwrda of Jordanstown is the same saint as St. Cawrdaf? In view of the apparent similarity of name, one would suppose that they were; but it's always nice to check (especially as I'm a non-Welsh-speaker). Another saint who seems to lose his final "f" on occasion is St. Gwyndaf - or Gwynda. Confusingly, Llanwnda, Pembs., is described as having St. Gwyndaf for its patron; but another site lists the patron saint as being Cawrdaf! I'm sure there must be some simple explanation ... would anyone be able to shed any light ?? Best regards, and Happy New Year to everyone, Jean Kelly

1. George Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: About 1686 Birth Place: Steynton, Pembroke, WLS Notes: RESEARCH COMPLETED: Index to Pembrokeshire hearths 1670 - no SANDS Muster of Pembrokeshire Militia 1781-82 - no SANDS A Mr & Mrs SANDS were m in CAM, ENG in 1852/53 Spouse: Susanna [SANDS] Marriage Date: About 1711 Marriage Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Children: Thomas William Martha Maria George Elizabeth 1.1 Thomas Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 24 Aug 1712 Birth Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Christen Date: 24 Aug 1712 Christen Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Notes: WILL: Will/Abstracts Index of Original Wills, Episcopal Consistory Court, St David's Diocese, Wales, UK. A Thomas SANDS 1742 Steynton, PEM, WLS Ref: 52 1.2 William Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 22 Jul 1715 Birth Place: Steynton, Pembroke, WLS Christen Date: 22 Jul 1715 Christen Place: Steynton, Pembroke, WLS 1.3 Martha Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 4 Sep 1717 Birth Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Christen Date: 4 Sep 1717 Christen Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Notes: Film no: 446197, page no: 0005, reference no: 13326 Spouse: John Gibbs Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1742 Marriage Place: Steynton, Pembroke, WLS Children: Thomas John Martha Mary George Catharine 1.3.1 Thomas Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 31 Jul 1744 Birth Place: Steynton, PEM, WLS 1.3.2 John Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 28 May 1749 1.3.3 Martha Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 17 Nov 1751 Birth Place: Steynton, PEM, WLS 1.3.4 Mary Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 11 Nov 1753 Birth Place: Steynton, PEM, WLS 1.3.5 George Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 12 Feb 1755 Birth Place: Steynton, PEM, WLS 1.3.6 Catharine Gibbs ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: 30 Apr 1758 Birth Place: Steynton, PEM, WLS 1.4 Maria Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: About 1719 Christen Date: Feb 1719/1720 Christen Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS 1.5 George Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: About 1724 Birth Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS Spouse: Hester Philp/Philpin Marriage Date: 27 Jul 1745 Marriage Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS 1.6 Elizabeth Sands ———————————————————————————————————————— Birth Date: About 1725 Christen Date: 18 Jan 1725/1726 Christen Place: Steynton, Pem, WLS regards Valerie Garton in sunny Sydney Please take note of my new e-mail address vbgarton@optusnet.com.au if I have not already informed you.

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on 29/12/04 11:35 am, Gerry at gerry@asterisk.co.uk wrote: > Hello Bryn > > The only Martha James living in Walton West in 1841 was 6 years old (this > census does not give birth parishes, so whether there is another Martha in a > nearby parish who is more of the right age is the right one - who knows? My attention has been drawn to my putting Walton West instead of Walton East. The info does refer to Walton East. Brain not fully functioning! Gerry Lewis