Hello Christine The 1841 census does not have birthplaces - but as you can see in the 1851 extract Margaret George was born in St Dogmaels and I think her marriage also took place in St Dogmaels as this one fits:- David George married Margaret Jenkins in St dogmaels in 1804. Does this help at all? Pat In message <01ce01c4f27d$a689d0a0$0100000a@adsl>, Christine Charles <chris1@bigpond.net.au> writes >Does it by any chance give a place of birth of the GEORGE family? >Thankyou >Christine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:37 AM >Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: Requesting Look up in 1851 census Ann Gillead, John >Gillead and family St. Dogmells > > >> Hello Brenda >> >> I see Gerry has given you Ann Gilead and Jane Gilead from the 1851 >> census index. >> >> I also only have an index - but in moving the fiche I just happend to >> notice another entry for the same household:- >> >> St Dogmaels Folio 394 page 27 schedule 147 >> >> Margaret George 76 PEM St Dogmaels >> >> As you say Ann's maiden name was George then could this be her mother? >> >> Looking in the 1841 census I found:- >> >> St Dogmaels enum dist 13 Folio 14 page 20 >> >> Fynnondegwel >> >> David George 66 farmer Y >> Margaret George 61 Y >> Anne George 23 Y >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> In message <002901c4f0c2$42b534f0$5102a8c0@Venus2>, Brenda >> <jayzee@webspan.net> writes >> >Hi List; >> > >> >I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master >mariner, >> >captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in Cardigan. >John's >> >first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him with two >children >> >Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in Pembroke in >1849 and >> >at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was shipwrecked and >died in >> >1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still living in St. Dogmells >> >according to her second marriage certificate. I would very much >appreciate a >> >look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in the >Cardigan/St.Dogmells >> >area with John, and possibly Jane and William. Thanks for any help or >guidance >> >given. >> > >> >Best wishes, >> > >> >Brenda >> >USA >> > >> >______________________________ >> >> -- >> Pat Powell >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Gareth's Help Page >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> > > -- Pat Powell

Dear Richard, Well, I certainly wasted my time! I wonder where they were in the 1881 census? I thought Eunice would now be the easiest to find. There were two and neither was the correct one. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Johns of Neyland > on 4/1/05 8:53 pm, Richard JOHNS at richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > > > Seasons greetings to you all. > > > > I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any > > thing on the family would be really appreciated. > > > > I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he > > was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th > > 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at > > the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a > > birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. > > > > I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated > > August 6th 1909. > > The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan > > Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. > > > > Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. > > > > Richard Johns > > Hello Richard > > In 1891 the Tindle family was living in Church Road, Hazlebeach, > Llanstadwell parish: > > Mary A.Tindle, head, widow, 50, born Llanstadwell PEM > John F.Tindle, son, 21, painter, born Sunderland [DUR] > Thomas H.Tindle, son, 16, plumber's assistant, born Sunderland [DUR] > Mary A.Tindle, daughter,14, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] > Edwin D.Tindle, son, 12, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] > Edith Tindle, daughter, 12, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] > > A few doors away: > > James John, head, 35, shipwright, born Llanstadwell PEM > Annie S.John, wife, 40, born Llanstadwell PEM > Frederick W.John, son, 14, shipwright apprentice, born Llanstadwell PEM > Eunice M.John, daughter, 12, born Llanstadwell PEM described as "dumb" > Annie M.John, daughter, 9, born Llanstadwell PEM > Lily P.John, daughter, 6, born Llanstadwell PEM > Beatrice J.John, daughter, 4, born Llanstadwell PEM > Rose M.John, daughter, 2mo., born Llanstadwell PEM > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Dear Richard, These things don't always fall into place. There are two possible James John each with a son named Frederick in the 1881 census...but neither exactly matches your information. James H. John, Relieving Officer (Munic.) and Small Farm., aged 42 born Johnston, lived at Bullford, Steynton, with his wife Sarah P. (born Johnston) and their 8 children including Fredc. M. John aged 6 born Steynton. Their eldest son, Joseph H., 20, was born in Sheerness Kent, so the family obviously moved around. The children's father, James, could have changed his occupation, particularly as also living with this family were Joseph John aged 76 born Roach, Pemb. a SHIPWRIGHT, and Martha John aged 69 born Camrose....designated as James' father and mother. There is no Maud amongst the children, though there is a 5 year old named Sarah M....perhaps they called her by her second name within the family to differentiate from her mother. Even though Sarah P. John living at Steynton was aged 43, she could, I guess, have had another child later named Maud. The other James John was aged 35, N.D.Coachman ..whatever that means...with wife Mary born Loveston aged 27 and Martha J. 29 months and Fredc. Wm. aged 9 months, i.e. born 1880, living at 31 Princes St., Pembroke St. Mary Perhaps you could investigate both these families in the 1891 census. A Joseph Johns married Martha Morris at Johnston on 22/03/1832....this may or may not be the Martha and Joseph in question as James was not born until around 7 years later. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard JOHNS" <richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Johns of Neyland > Seasons greetings to you all. > > I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any thing on the family would be really appreciated. > > I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. > > I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated August 6th 1909. > The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. > > Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. > > Richard Johns > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Hi all, Thank you very much for the help! You definitely given me food for thought. Ta, Jo ===== Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

on 4/1/05 8:53 pm, Richard JOHNS at richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Seasons greetings to you all. > > I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any > thing on the family would be really appreciated. > > I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he > was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th > 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at > the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a > birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. > > I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated > August 6th 1909. > The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan > Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. > > Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. > > Richard Johns Hello again Richard frederick William JOHNS was baptized at Llanstadwell P.C. in 1876. None of the other children were baptized in Llanstadwell or any other C of E church. Gerry Lewis

Does it by any chance give a place of birth of the GEORGE family? Thankyou Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:37 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: Requesting Look up in 1851 census Ann Gillead, John Gillead and family St. Dogmells > Hello Brenda > > I see Gerry has given you Ann Gilead and Jane Gilead from the 1851 > census index. > > I also only have an index - but in moving the fiche I just happend to > notice another entry for the same household:- > > St Dogmaels Folio 394 page 27 schedule 147 > > Margaret George 76 PEM St Dogmaels > > As you say Ann's maiden name was George then could this be her mother? > > Looking in the 1841 census I found:- > > St Dogmaels enum dist 13 Folio 14 page 20 > > Fynnondegwel > > David George 66 farmer Y > Margaret George 61 Y > Anne George 23 Y > > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <002901c4f0c2$42b534f0$5102a8c0@Venus2>, Brenda > <jayzee@webspan.net> writes > >Hi List; > > > >I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master mariner, > >captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in Cardigan. John's > >first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him with two children > >Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in Pembroke in 1849 and > >at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was shipwrecked and died in > >1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still living in St. Dogmells > >according to her second marriage certificate. I would very much appreciate a > >look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in the Cardigan/St.Dogmells > >area with John, and possibly Jane and William. Thanks for any help or guidance > >given. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Brenda > >USA > > > >______________________________ > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

on 4/1/05 8:53 pm, Richard JOHNS at richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Seasons greetings to you all. > > I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any > thing on the family would be really appreciated. > > I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he > was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th > 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at > the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a > birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. > > I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated > August 6th 1909. > The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan > Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. > > Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. > > Richard Johns Hello Richard In 1891 the Tindle family was living in Church Road, Hazlebeach, Llanstadwell parish: Mary A.Tindle, head, widow, 50, born Llanstadwell PEM John F.Tindle, son, 21, painter, born Sunderland [DUR] Thomas H.Tindle, son, 16, plumber's assistant, born Sunderland [DUR] Mary A.Tindle, daughter,14, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] Edwin D.Tindle, son, 12, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] Edith Tindle, daughter, 12, scholar, born Sunderland [DUR] A few doors away: James John, head, 35, shipwright, born Llanstadwell PEM Annie S.John, wife, 40, born Llanstadwell PEM Frederick W.John, son, 14, shipwright apprentice, born Llanstadwell PEM Eunice M.John, daughter, 12, born Llanstadwell PEM described as "dumb" Annie M.John, daughter, 9, born Llanstadwell PEM Lily P.John, daughter, 6, born Llanstadwell PEM Beatrice J.John, daughter, 4, born Llanstadwell PEM Rose M.John, daughter, 2mo., born Llanstadwell PEM Gerry Lewis

Seasons greetings to you all. I have so very little information on my John/s family from Pembroke that any thing on the family would be really appreciated. I have a marriage certificate of my G grandfather Frederick William Johns, he was married to Mary Anne Tindle at Llanstadwell Parish Church on March 28th 1905, his occupation was a shipwright as was his father James. Residence at the time of marriage was Neyland and both were 28 years old giving them a birth date of around 1877. I know Frederick had sisters one being named Maud. I also have a Baptism certificate of Frederick and Anne's son Edwin dated August 6th 1909. The abode was Hazelbeach Pembroke and the Baptism took place at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Neyland. The surname was now staded as John. Any imformation or advice would be much appreciated. Richard Johns

Hello Brenda I see Gerry has given you Ann Gilead and Jane Gilead from the 1851 census index. I also only have an index - but in moving the fiche I just happend to notice another entry for the same household:- St Dogmaels Folio 394 page 27 schedule 147 Margaret George 76 PEM St Dogmaels As you say Ann's maiden name was George then could this be her mother? Looking in the 1841 census I found:- St Dogmaels enum dist 13 Folio 14 page 20 Fynnondegwel David George 66 farmer Y Margaret George 61 Y Anne George 23 Y Cheers Pat In message <002901c4f0c2$42b534f0$5102a8c0@Venus2>, Brenda <jayzee@webspan.net> writes >Hi List; > >I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master mariner, >captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in Cardigan. John's >first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him with two children >Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in Pembroke in 1849 and >at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was shipwrecked and died in >1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still living in St. Dogmells >according to her second marriage certificate. I would very much appreciate a >look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in the Cardigan/St.Dogmells >area with John, and possibly Jane and William. Thanks for any help or guidance >given. > >Best wishes, > >Brenda >USA > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Dear Madeleine, The List will welcome you, I'm sure. Glad to be able to help. Gerry has suggested that William and Ralph might be the same person..... there is a death date of 1825 for a William that might be the William Gowland Golding who was baptised the year before. Perhaps William senior and Ralph were brothers. If you asked the Records Office at Haverfordwest for a copy of the parish register marriage entry, you could check the actual names and the Hutchings/Hitchings surname at the same time. I wonder where the Gowland name came from? I had a quick look in the 1881 census and whilst people of that name were scattered over a lot of the English counties there was a large proportion from Yorkshire and Durham. The Golding name was even more widely scattered over the counties, though there were a few from York and Durham.....I wonder if it was a coincidence that the Lodger at the home of Jane's widowed granddaughter was from Yorkshire. Bettye Kirkwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "MADELEINE BERKS" <m.berks@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Golding > Hello Bettye. Thanks very much for the info. By chance yesterday I found a Jane Golding -widow-aged 91 on the 1881 census. I am feeling pretty sure that she is the same Jane as you found. I also think that there is a strong possibility of her and her husband William being the parents of George Gowland Golding. My optimisim is returning now!. I had gotten so fed up with not knowing which way to turn next. I now have new areas to explore. Happy New Year.Madeleine.--I expect to be posting on the list again soon! > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

Hi Rose, Happy New Year! At Haverfordwest St. Mary a marriage apparently took place between Alisen Marchant and David Keethan in 1599..the ref. given in the index is to Francis Green Vol.8 p.59........someone may have Green's WWHR and be able to tell us to what this refers. There was also an Eleonora Marchant who married John Bateman at Steynton in 1712, which is a bit early to make her Catherine's sister. Abra Merchant married Laurence Brown in 1746 and Rebecca Merchant married Mark Lewis in 1748.....both at Burton. Tony told me a couple of years ago he had Marchant material from the 1600's so he may have some info. for you when he returns. There is a Will for David "Kethan" of St. Thomas H/west in 1604 and some Kethyns in Glamorgan. Something which might be of interest to both you and me.....there is a will for a Lawrence Brown of Little Moollock St. Ishmaels in 1601...perhaps the later Laurence was named for him. Under Mullock in Francis Jones' Pemb.book Henry Browne was tenant in 1610 at Little Mullock...the Davies were a bit later. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maytree4@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Merchant family tree > Hi, I too have Merchant ancestors - although I don't know anything of them. > One of my Great, greats was Catherine Merchant. Catherine married Richard > Feild on 13/11/1733 at St. Mary's, Haverfordwest. It was noted in the registers > that she was of the parish of St. Mary, Pembroke. I no know more about > Catherine and do not know who her parents were. > > Rose > in Surrey > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

In a message dated 02/01/2005 12:01:54 GMT Standard Time, jayzee@webspan.net writes: Hi List; I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master mariner, captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in Cardigan. John's first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him with two children Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in Pembroke in 1849 and at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was shipwrecked and died in 1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still living in St. Dogmells according to her second marriage certificate. I would very much appreciate a look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in the Cardigan/St.Dogmells area with John, and possibly Jane and William. Thanks for any help or guidance given. Best wishes, Brenda USA Dear Brenda, Do you have the certificate for John & Ann's marriage? You say it took place in Pembroke - but it is in the St Dogmaels(Dogmells) register for 19 August 1849 (Pembrokeshire but definitely not Pembroke Town). Ann's second marriage was also at St Dogmaels in 1855, as I think you know. John's admon in 1853 shows him to have been resident in St Dogmaels. There are no other Gil(l)ead references in the St Dogmaels parish registers, so presumably Ann was nonconformist. Regards Bill G-J with a particular interest in St Dogmaels and surrounding parishes

Dear Madeleine, William Golding, Painter, married Jane Hutchings at St. Mary Haverfordwest on 23rd. April, 1815. I could not find any other Hutchings who might be related to Jane. An Isaac Hutchison married Anne Cousins at Haverfordwest St. Mary in 1742, and there are four Hitchings males who married in the same Hundred before 1795, but none in Haverfordwest St. Mary. I think it is quite possible that the name should be Hitchings.......however, the parish register entry (obtainable from Haverfordwest Records Office) would show if this was the minister's interpretation of Jane's name and how she signed herself. If she only made her mark, then it is possible the spelling is incorrect. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MADELEINE BERKS" <m.berks@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:11 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] GOLDING 1871 > Hello all. This is my first posting to this list.I believe that I may be on the threshhold of knocking my brickwall down.Fingers crossed. > > I have found a George Golding ,born in 1822 in Haversfordwest; but living in 'High St. Abergavenny ' on the 1871 census. He was a Jeweller. > If anyone could help me to go further with this line of enquiry, I would be most grateful. Happy New Year to one and all, Madeleine. > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

Dear Joanne, I hope you don't already have all this. I shall condense some of the information contained in Richard Rose's book "Pembroke People", which I think you need to see..perhaps you could arrange an inter-library loan. Under Shoemakers, page 400: George Rowlands married Mary Wogan at St. Michael's on 13/11/1763. Issue: Alice, Anne bapt. 22/2/1766,died 14/12/1844, George bapt. St. Michael's 19/2/1769 Shoemaker, John bapt. 19/7/1781, Mary the wife of ...............Thomson, Elizabeth. George buried St. Michael's 20/7/1800 and Mary Rowlands buried 30/5/1805. George Rowlands m. (i) Jane........(ii) Jane Davies, widow, St. Michael's. P & C. 1830, 1835.....also a Publican, see The Pelican. Children: Mary bapt. St. Michael's 17/4/1796, John 28/5/1798 (who predeceased his father), George bapt. PSM 25/7/1800, (see Publicans), William bapt. PMI 16/11/1803 (see Painters), Laurence 17/10/1804 (Shoemaker 1841...died of apoplexy in the Workhouse 13/11/1859), Ann 16/01/1807, Catherine, Mary and Jane. Then follows a great deal of information incl. the fact that the first Jane, East Back, died and was buried at St. Michael's 21/4/1825, aged 60. George later remarried to Jane Davies at St. Michael's 17/2/1827..witnesses were Sophia Davies and George Froyne. George's will, made in 1847, is then set out. I haven't followed up the other references. Catherine is mentioned as the wife of William Thomas, Ann is/was married to .......Moyard of the City of Bath (it looks like she must have died before that time), Mary is the widow of Jacob Smart also of Bath, and Jane Rowlands is the widow of his deceased son John. His sons George, William and Laurence are also mentioned, plus details of his death etc. In other places in the book I noted that a Mary Rowlands married at PMI in 1803, a Martha Rowlands, East End was buried at PMI 23/1/1826 aged 90 and a William Rowlands, Pembroke, buried at PMI 20/3/1828 aged 3. A further item then follows for John Rowlands who may be the son mentioned above. All this does not, of course, give you Catherine's connection to Haverfordwest ...she may have been working there. The Rowlands I am personally interested in are from earlier times and the northern parts of Pembrokeshire. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Thomas" <journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] ROWLANDS of Pembroke and Haverfordwest [crossposting] > Hi again, > > Third and final post of the day, I promise! > > The William THOMAS mentioned in the previous posts married Catherine > ROWLANDS in Haverfordwest on 9th April 1837. On the register, William > is from Lamphey and Catherine is of the parish (of St Thomas', > Haverfordwest). However, Catherine was born, and presumably raised, in > Pembroke (St Michael's). She was the daughter of George ROWLANDS, a > shoemaker and publican in Pembroke. George was the son of another > George ROWLANDS who married Mary WOGAN in 1763 at Pembroke St > Michael's. > > So (finally) the questions: > Is anyone researching the ROWLANDS families in Pembroke and > Haverfordwest? > Any suggestions as to what I should be looking at for Catherine's > connection to Haverfordwest? > > Ta, > Jo <-- going back to lurking after this one, honest! > > ===== > Joanne Thomas > journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk > http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email claire.orr@pembrokeshire.gov.uk >

Hello Bettye. Thanks very much for the info. By chance yesterday I found a Jane Golding -widow-aged 91 on the 1881 census. I am feeling pretty sure that she is the same Jane as you found. I also think that there is a strong possibility of her and her husband William being the parents of George Gowland Golding. My optimisim is returning now!. I had gotten so fed up with not knowing which way to turn next. I now have new areas to explore. Happy New Year.Madeleine.--I expect to be posting on the list again soon!

on 2/1/05 3:29 pm, Amanda J Butterfield at butterfield-home@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Happy New Year to you all > > As a Christmas present I finally received confirmation that my Charles Beynon > (born 1842 Haverfordwest) did indeed marry Patience Hattin (born 1849 Hook > Norton, Oxford), and had several children - the most important in my research > being Charles David Beynon, born 1873 Tenby. There are several things I am > trying to tie in now:to confirm his parents. > > I have the family in the 1881 census at Upper frog st Tenby, but I cannot find > any of them in 1891 or 1901 on-line. Charles snr and Patience could still be > in Tenby or possibly moved to Wolverhampton, as I know Charles David married > in Wolverhampton in 1899 (I cannot find him in 1891 or him and his wife Clara > in 1901) > > I know details of Patience's family, but I am wondering if anyone has access > to christening records for Charles Beynon (as I say I think he was born 1842 > in Haverfordwest, and married in 1870 - but that was in Banbury). One possible > set of parents I have for Charles are David and Hannah Beynon, both born > Haverfordwest about 1815 - Hannah's maiden name may have been John > > Thank you to those kind people on the list who threw me possible pointers for > the Beynons last year - they have proved very helpful > > Regards > Amanda Hello Amanda The following family was living at "Top of Shutstreet", Haverfordwest St Thomas in 1851: David Beynon, head, 35, mason, b. Haverfordwest Hannah Beynon, wife, 34, dressmaker, b. Haverfordwest Charles Beynon, son, 8, scholar, b. Haverfordwest John Beynon, son, 6, scholar, b. Haverfordwest Mary Ann Beynon, daughter, 4, b. Haverfordwest Maria Beynon, daughter, 2, b. Haverfordwest Arthur Beynon, daughter, 5mo., b. Haverfordwest Margaret Duggan, 17, servant, b. St Dogwells All the children appear to have been baptized at Haverfordwest St. Thomas, Maria being listed as Maria Elizabeth. Other possible baptisms were an Emma Louise in 1853 and an Alice Martha in 1856. An Arthur Beynon baptism in 1861 at Haverfordwest St. Thomas, and an Alice Martha in 1866 at Haverfordwest St. Mary could be relatives. From the 1841 census index: HO107/1450/2A, Haverfordwest St. Mary, folio 40, page 15 David Beynon, 60-64, Mason J(ourneyman) Elizabeth Beynon, 25-29 Elizabeth Beynon, 60-64 Thomas Beynon, 7 William Beynon, 20-24, Mason J(ourneyman) and at HO107/1450/2A, Haverfordwest St. Mary, folio 43, page 20 David Beynon, 25-29, Mason J(ourneyman) Hannah Beynon, 20-24 The marriage between David Beynon and Elizabeth Phillips in Haverfordwest St Mary in 1808 may be relevant. Gerry Lewis

on 2/1/05 11:57 am, Brenda at jayzee@webspan.net wrote: > Hi List; > > I am researching my gggrandfather John Gillead (Gilead Gilliad), master > mariner, captain and owner of The Vigo, a 61 ton schooner registered in > Cardigan. John's first wife died in Whitehaven Cumberland in1846 leaving him > with two children Jane b1839 and William b1836. John married Ann George in > Pembroke in 1849 and at that time she was living in St. Dogmells. John was > shipwrecked and died in 1853 and Ann married again in 1855. She was still > living in St. Dogmells according to her second marriage certificate. I would > very much appreciate a look up of the 1851 census to see if Ann Gillead is in > the Cardigan/St.Dogmells area with John, and possibly Jane and William. > Thanks for any help or guidance given. > > Best wishes, > > Brenda > USA Hello Brenda Just Ann Gilead and Jane in St Dogmaels in 1851 (ref HO107/2481, St.Dogmaels, folio 394, page 27, schedule 147). From an index, so I don't know who else with a different surname was living with them. John and William could have been out at sea? Gerry Lewis

on 2/1/05 6:11 pm, MADELEINE BERKS at m.berks@btopenworld.com wrote: > Hello all. This is my first posting to this list.I believe that I may be on > the threshhold of knocking my brickwall down.Fingers crossed. > > I have found a George Golding ,born in 1822 in Haversfordwest; but living in > 'High St. Abergavenny ' on the 1871 census. He was a Jeweller. > If anyone could help me to go further with this line of enquiry, I would be > most grateful. Happy New Year to one and all, Madeleine. Hello Madeline A Ralph Golding was living in Haverfordwest St. Thomas in 1841. His age was given as 64 and his occupation was painter. Golding baptisms at Haverfordwest St. Thomas Anne 1816 Emily 1820 George Gowland 1822 William Gowland 1824 Elizabeth 1826 Maria 1828 Golding burials at Haverfordwest St. Thomas William 1825 Maria 1829 Marriage at Haverfordwest St. Mary by licence, April 28, 1815 William Golding, painter and Jane Hutchings I was expecting a Ralph Golding! Gerry Lewis

Hi again, Third and final post of the day, I promise! The William THOMAS mentioned in the previous posts married Catherine ROWLANDS in Haverfordwest on 9th April 1837. On the register, William is from Lamphey and Catherine is of the parish (of St Thomas', Haverfordwest). However, Catherine was born, and presumably raised, in Pembroke (St Michael's). She was the daughter of George ROWLANDS, a shoemaker and publican in Pembroke. George was the son of another George ROWLANDS who married Mary WOGAN in 1763 at Pembroke St Michael's. So (finally) the questions: Is anyone researching the ROWLANDS families in Pembroke and Haverfordwest? Any suggestions as to what I should be looking at for Catherine's connection to Haverfordwest? Ta, Jo <-- going back to lurking after this one, honest! ===== Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

--- Gareth <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: > My impression is that the legal requirement for formal trade > apprenticeships > had largely gone by c1814. > I guess you're wondering if you have the same man with these > occupational > differences ! Nah! That's easy! No one else could be sadistic enough to name their eldest son George Samuel ;) Effective way of keeping both grandfathers happy, though. Jo ===== Joanne Thomas journeymouse@yahoo.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/journeymouse/ ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com