Hi, Just picked up a death cert for a Cornelius SULLIVAN, who died from a "Visitation of God" at the workhouse in St. Mary Pembroke in 1852. His son James SULLIVAN was also in the workhouse in the 1851 census. Could SKS please look up and see if there are any other SULLIVAN's in the workhouse in 1851. Many Thanks Sean Farrell

on 26/1/05 8:21 am, Jenny Dempster at jdempster@mcmedia.com.au wrote: > Can anyone please give me information on a place called Old Oven. It is given > as an address on a Baptism entry for 1814 at Uzmaston. Any info would be > appreciated. > Jenny Dempster, Australia Hello again Jenny More info (from the 1851 census) Residents of "Old Oven": Philip Gibbon, head, 34, ag.lab. born Rudbaxton Martha Gibbon, wife, 34, b. Camrose James Gibbon, son, 3, birthplace not given It would seem many different families lived in this house. Gerry Lewis

on 26/1/05 8:21 am, Jenny Dempster at jdempster@mcmedia.com.au wrote: > Can anyone please give me information on a place called Old Oven. It is given > as an address on a Baptism entry for 1814 at Uzmaston. Any info would be > appreciated. > Jenny Dempster, Australia Hello Jenny "Old Oven" is indicated on Picton's maps of 1749 and 1773 and mention made in the Land Tax returns of 1794 and on the Bishop's Transcript of 1814 that you refer to. To make things rather easier, "Old Oven" is mentioned in the 1891 census return for Uzmaston between the returns for "Picton Creamston" and "Church Hill". Even more fortunately the O.S. Explorer map of South Pembrokeshire pinpoints the place exactly - O.S. reference SM 970153, almost exactly half a mile north of the village of Uzmaston and a mile east of Haverfordwest St. Thomas church. 1891 residents - David [41, ag.lab., b, Llangwm] and Elizabeth [41, b. Freystrop] James and presumably Elizabeth's brother Peter Sutton [16, printer's apprentice, b. Freystrop]. Gerry Lewis

Hi Jenny Old Oven was a small holding of some 40 acres. It is now derelict but was inhabited up to about 20 years ago by the Stephens family. Around 1930 Mr Reynolds the Grocer from Haverfordwest and his family lived there. It was a two rooms down with a loft above cottage, with a cowshed and couple of other outbuildings. The land is now part of Uzmaston Farm and although you will probably not find Old Oven on todays maps, it was approached from the Uzmaston or NewRoad, turning left for Rhos on the Creamston Road and approximately 100yds from that turning through a gateway on the right. You would have then and do still now have to cross two fields to the cottage. Although it is now derelict and I believe the roof is actually off, would you like me to take a picture of it for you? Incidentally in 1891 it was inhabited by David & Elizabeth James. Davids occupation is shown as an Agricultural Labourer. In 1871 William and Mary George lived there. William was a Farm Labourer. Anyway hope this helps -------------------------------------------------------- Sylvia Birch sylvia@cenquest.co.uk PEMBROKESHIRE Census on Line www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Dempster" <jdempster@mcmedia.com.au> > > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:21 AM > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Old Oven > > > > > > > Can anyone please give me information on a place called Old Oven. It is > > given as an address on a Baptism entry for 1814 at Uzmaston. Any info > would > > be appreciated. > > > Jenny Dempster, Australia > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > National Library of Wales > > > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > > > > >

Can anyone please give me information on a place called Old Oven. It is given as an address on a Baptism entry for 1814 at Uzmaston. Any info would be appreciated. Jenny Dempster, Australia

Hi Nick The 1861 Census for England and Wales is far from complete. From what I understand the enumerators' books were first stored in the attic of the House of Commons whre they suffered damage and some parts destroyed. I, too, have looked for the parish of Yerbeston and checked with the Pembrokeshire Record Office. They do not have it listed as having it the actual film of it so it is not that the CD makers have forgotten to include it, it just does not exist anywhere. This is true of Prospect Place, Pembroke Dock which is listed at the start of the district but does not appear. I was told by Nicki Bosworth, one of the archivists at the record office that the numbers of persons listed in each district do not always tally with the total figures given at the beginning of each district. This is an indication that some part of that district has been permanently lost. For anyone looking for Lawrenny on this census it is not listed in the index but can be found on 4152 Folio 90 onwards. Bye for now Joy

Hello Nick According to the PRO catalogue Yerbeston is included in RG9/4151. Enumeration districts 1-10 all seem to be present for this although none is actually matked Yerbeston. There are sections of 1861 census missing - sometimes definable enumeration districts and sometime just sections. The PRO catalogue does not seem to identify all as I have found in the past - however I have noticed that , for example, Hungerford farm is included in Loveston enum dist 6 - so maybe if you check out the surrounding areas you may the household you are looking for. Is it a person or a farm/house you are searching for? Cheers Pat In message <20050125132417.55623.qmail@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, nick hart <gladesfield@yahoo.co.uk> writes >Can anyone please tell me what happened to the 1861 >census for Yerbeston. >I have a copy of the Census from Archive CD Books from >which it is missing but it is not on the list of >missing enumerators books. Like wise it is missing >from the records on the GENUKI site. > >Have the records been lost? or was it included in with >another village? > >Nick H > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > -- Pat Powell

Can anyone please tell me what happened to the 1861 census for Yerbeston. I have a copy of the Census from Archive CD Books from which it is missing but it is not on the list of missing enumerators books. Like wise it is missing from the records on the GENUKI site. Have the records been lost? or was it included in with another village? Nick H ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Listers, I am trying to trace birth /baptism of John Phillips born about 1781 in Carew. He married Alice Duggan in June 1803.Any suggestions or advice as to how I can find out about him? Thanks Joan

on 23/1/05 9:50 am, Jeanette Oliver at jeanettemoliver@ntlworld.com wrote: > Hi > > I am rejoining the list after a lengthy break as I have made the a little > headway on finding Mary Ann Fletcher. I have been given a baptism date by a > family member who did her research many, many years ago. Unfortunately she > doesn't have the parents names. > I would be grateful for a lookup if anyone has the PR or is going to the > record office soon. > > The details I have been given for her baptism are > 10 Feb 1814 in Steynton > > Best wishes > > Jeanette Hello Jeanette Presumably you already know that a Mary Ann Fletcher married a George Truscott by licence at Haverfordwest St Martin on March 27 1828? That James and Martha Truscott were baptized in Haverfordwest St Mary in 1829 and 1833 respectively? Gerry Lewis

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Hello Jeanette Thanks for the extra information. What a pity it wasn't the right Mary Ann Fletcher. I am copying this reply to the list as well as to you so that everyone can see the fact that Mary Ann was already married by 1841 and no longer in the area so it's no good looking through the 1841 census for her. Good luck with your search. Pat In message <00d001c50203$9aa6b060$6601a8c0@oemcomputer>, Jeanette Oliver <jeanettemoliver@ntlworld.com> writes >Hi Pat > >Thank you for that information. I do already have a marriage for Mary. She >married John Harris in 1832 in Tacumshane where he was based as a >coastguard. John is also from Steynton. Perhaps Mary had a previous >marriage; I am not sure. >An elderly aunt did some research many years ago. She has recently provided >me the baptism date for Mary but doesn't appear to have a record of her >parents. >John and Mary travelled around Ireland with the coastguard. Most of their >children were born in Ireland but fortunately they moved to Dorset by 1853. >They had 3 more children and it was on one of the birth certificates that I >found Mary's maiden name of Fletcher. I have found them on the 1861, 1871, >1881, 1891 census. > >Best wishes > >Jeanette > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:43 AM >Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: Fletcher in Steynton > > >> Hello Jeanette >> >> Fortunately there are not many Fletchers in the Pembrokeshire area >> around this time - so I think there is a good chance that your Mary >> Annmay very well be >> Mary Ann Fletcher married George Truscott in Haverforwest St Martin on >> 27 March 1828. >> >> Unfortunately they do not seem to be in Haverfordwest in the 1841 census >> - although there is a John Truscott aged 9 living in an Inn in Bridge >> Street. >> >> Do you know of a John of this sort of age? >> >> Have you any more information? - How did you get back to Mary Ann >> Fletcher? >> >> I'll let you know if I find out more - but please pass on any other >> leads you may have as extra information can give clues. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> In message <00fc01c50130$f6142320$6401a8c0@oemcomputer>, Jeanette Oliver >> <jeanettemoliver@ntlworld.com> writes >> >Hi >> > >> >I am rejoining the list after a lengthy break as I have made the a little >> >headway on finding Mary Ann Fletcher. I have been given a baptism date by >a >> >family member who did her research many, many years ago. Unfortunately >she >> >doesn't have the parents names. >> >I would be grateful for a lookup if anyone has the PR or is going to the >record >> >office soon. >> > >> >The details I have been given for her baptism are >> >10 Feb 1814 in Steynton >> > >> >Best wishes >> > >> >Jeanette >> > >> >______________________________ >> >> -- >> Pat Powell >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Pembrokeshire Archives >> email claire.orr@pembrokeshire.gov.uk >> > -- Pat Powell

Hello Jeanette Further to my previous e-mail I have quite a bit more about the George and Mary Ann Truscott family. If you think this is your Mary Ann and you don't have the info let me know and I'll pass it on. I though possibly that as you asked specifically about Mary Ann you had all the data leading up to her and just wanted to find her parents. If so I don't have a definite answer to that -yet. Cheers Pat -- Pat Powell

Hello Jeanette Fortunately there are not many Fletchers in the Pembrokeshire area around this time - so I think there is a good chance that your Mary Annmay very well be Mary Ann Fletcher married George Truscott in Haverforwest St Martin on 27 March 1828. Unfortunately they do not seem to be in Haverfordwest in the 1841 census - although there is a John Truscott aged 9 living in an Inn in Bridge Street. Do you know of a John of this sort of age? Have you any more information? - How did you get back to Mary Ann Fletcher? I'll let you know if I find out more - but please pass on any other leads you may have as extra information can give clues. Cheers Pat In message <00fc01c50130$f6142320$6401a8c0@oemcomputer>, Jeanette Oliver <jeanettemoliver@ntlworld.com> writes >Hi > >I am rejoining the list after a lengthy break as I have made the a little >headway on finding Mary Ann Fletcher. I have been given a baptism date by a >family member who did her research many, many years ago. Unfortunately she >doesn't have the parents names. >I would be grateful for a lookup if anyone has the PR or is going to the record >office soon. > >The details I have been given for her baptism are >10 Feb 1814 in Steynton > >Best wishes > >Jeanette > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Dear Jeanette, The most likely is Thomas Fletcher who married Ann Bowen at Steynton in 1810. However, a Nathaniel Fletcher in 1801 married Dorothy Webster at Haverfordwest St. Thomas. Haverfordwest Records Office would be able to supply copies of the parish register marriage entry and if Mary Ann's baptism was recorded at Steynton, it should show the name of her father. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Oliver" <jeanettemoliver@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Fletcher in Steynton > Hi > > I am rejoining the list after a lengthy break as I have made the a little headway on finding Mary Ann Fletcher. I have been given a baptism date by a family member who did her research many, many years ago. Unfortunately she doesn't have the parents names. > I would be grateful for a lookup if anyone has the PR or is going to the record office soon. > > The details I have been given for her baptism are > 10 Feb 1814 in Steynton > > Best wishes > > Jeanette > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ >

Can anyone on the list help me track down a date for the death of my g. great grandfather John Laugharne(sometimes Larne) who was born in 1829 to Thomas and Mary Laugharne of Trap Melyn, Dinas Cross? He married his first cousin Mary Laugharne from the Bridge End Inn, Dinas Cross in 1857. In October1869 she was married again to William Thomas and the marriage certificate states she was a widow but I have looked through all the death indexes from 1865, when their last child would have been conceived, through to 1870, including Deaths abroad and Deaths at sea, as he was a mariner, but so far have found nothing. Mary and John's branches of the Laugharne family are buried in adjacent plots in the cemetery at Gideon but, although I have been able to find a MI for Mary's second husband William Thomas who died in Melbourne, Australia, I have yet to discover an MI for John. All I have to go on is a family story that Mary caused a bit of a scandal by going to her second wedding still wearing the black armband for her first husband, so his death must have been sometime in 1869. Family legend also says he was drowned in an estuary in France but I have no proof. Both the Welsh Mariner's website database and the Swansea Mariners website have a John Laugharne born in Dinas Cross in 1829 who was rescued from the wreck of The Speedwell off Humber in October 1868. If this is the same John Laugharne, then he was still alive a year before Mary re-married, so I am intrigued... Vivien http://www.vivienboyes.co.uk

Heather I'm a bit late catching up with this topic as I've recently come out of hospital. Looking at the map of Dinas Cross which I downloaded a few months ago from http://www.old-maps.co.uk I notice that this branch of the Harries family and my Laugharnes were close neighbours. My great grandfather Benjamin Laugharne, was born in Pen-hwyr in 1861 and his father John Laugharne came from Trap Melyn,( both properties just down the road from Glanymor as you move towards Gideon chapel). His mother, Mary Laugharne, came from the branch of the Laugharne family who kept the Bridge End Inn, diagonally across the road from Glanymor. John and Mary were first cousins. A William Harries appears on Mary and John's wedding certificate in 1859 as one of the witnesses to the marriage, and given the close geographical proximity of the families, I wonder if he was the William Harries from the family you are investigating but , as you say, there were an awful lot of Harries's in the region. Vivien > I'm returning to a line of enquiry I started some time ago. Has anyone > come > across the following: > > Joseph Harries, chemist, Glanymor, Dinas. b. Dinas c. 1831 > His mother was Mary Harries b. Nevern c. 1801. She was also living at > Glanymor in 1881 > > I have what I think was the family in 1851. The father was William > Harries > and there were other siblings. Joseph was unmarried in 1881. > > Doing a neighbour search on the 1881 census locates Glanymor (I think) > towards Pwllgwaelod beach. There are only 5 dwellings listed between > it and the > Island Farm, farmed by the Raymond family. > > Joseph witnessed the will of my ancestor Levi Harries and I am trying > to > establish whether there was a family link between them - there were an > awful lot > of Harries's in that region at the time! > > Many thanks > > Heather > > > http://www.vivienboyes.co.uk

Hi I have a marriage for my 4G grandparents William Harries and Elizabeth Roch. They married on 20 Nov 1807 in Steynton. I only have one child for them at the moment, my 3G grandfather John born abt 1811, I am sure there will be more once I research them. If anyone has any information on this family I would be very grateful. Please could anyone tell me what resources, if any, are available to search online for Pembroke? I understand that Steynton is not included in the IGI. Best wishes Jeanette

Hi I am rejoining the list after a lengthy break as I have made the a little headway on finding Mary Ann Fletcher. I have been given a baptism date by a family member who did her research many, many years ago. Unfortunately she doesn't have the parents names. I would be grateful for a lookup if anyone has the PR or is going to the record office soon. The details I have been given for her baptism are 10 Feb 1814 in Steynton Best wishes Jeanette

Tried sending posting off list to you , but it must have failed . I have A PEMBROKESHIRE COUNRTYMAN LOOKS BACK. it contains numerous entries for BADHAM , including a mini census for 1920 and a lot of photos . If you already have this book or the information , then I am sorry for bothering you however if you require info ,scans please let me know. THE BOOK DEALS ALMOST ENTIRELY WITH BEGELLY some listers have asked for general Pembrokeshire look ups I have no access to any other info other than this book. So any BEGELLY -(Book look ups above) fire away I will do my best to answer all. Yours Robert Alun Chick Penarth