Hello, I am trying to find a birth date for a Martha Griffiths, but I am finding it very difficult because there are a few persons with the same name & also the same named father which is William Griffiths, I have a marriage certificate here with Martha being 28 years of age in the year 1890, she married a William Roberts, he was living at Long Mains Monkton & Martha was living at Portclew, Lamphey, her father was a Quarryman at that time. she died in Dec 1898 age 37 in Pembroke she left 4 children their names being, John Henry, Elizabeth, Austin & Louisa, Elizabeth was also known as Annie Elizabeth & she married her cousin Arthur Bernard Roberts. If it is possible can anyone find out who this Martha is. Thank you very much. Rhiannon

Could someone on the list please look up Berry Hill on the Newport censuses from 1871 onwards and see if a John Laugharne is mentioned as a servant there? If so I'm interested in discovering where and when he was born. I'm following up a story in Martin Lewis "Newport Pem. and Fishguard Revisited" pub 2003 about a John Laugharne from Berry Hill who drowned in the Nevern estuary (no date given but it was sometime before 1894 when the bridge was built). I'm curious to know whether this John Laugharne is connected to any of the Laugharnes of Dinas and Newport that I'm researching. Best wishes Vivien http://www.vivienboyes.co.uk

Hello everyone, I am new to this list and would be very pleased to receive some help regarding a man named ABEDNEGO JENKINS. This man spent most of his adult life in Carmarthenshire and thanks to some very good help from the CMN list I know something of his life there as a Calvinistic Methodist Minister. However, my problem is that I can't find his birth. According to the 1881 census he was born in St Clears in about 1818 so I had thought he would be easy to find having such an unusual first name. But I have failed so far. I have been wondering if it is possible that he was given a different name when christened and later adopted the name Abednego perhaps in connection with his religion. If anyone has got any thoughts about how I can find the birth of Abednego JENKINS I would be so pleased to hear them as I have completely run out of ideas now. Thanks in anticipation, Jan

Dear Jan and Bill, The marriage of David William and Martha Evan took place at St. Dogmaels 07/11/1823. She does not have the "es" added to her name in the marriage index. I could not find a marriage of an Evan or Evans to a Martha at St. Dogmaels in the pre 1813 marriages, so she could have married in another parish. Bill may have other information. I have an interest in earlier Evan/s in St, Dogmaels.,,,,but it is another of the common surnames. Bettye Kirkwood. From: <BILLGJ@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] NICHOLAS, VAUGHAN, DAVIES, THOMAS AND WILLIAMS > > In a message dated 10/02/2005 09:41:56 GMT Standard Time, jbs@nex.net.au > writes: > > Do you have an Ann Williams listed with Mary Williams with father David, > a Mason? Ann would have been about 9 and Mary 15. > > Would you mind also looking up Morris NICHOLAS for me in the 1841 > Census. I have him as being born around 1789 (52ish in the 1841 census) > and profession as Mason. He married a Mary DAVIES in 1836 in Morfil, > Pembrokeshire. > > Any further help would be very much appreciated. > > Regards, > Jan Shaw. > > > > > Dear Jan, > > I think you are in luck! > Here is a part of the 1841 census for St Dogmaels, HO107/1446/5/8: > High Street, St Dogmaels > //David William, 40, , Mason, yes > Martha William, , 42, , yes > Mary William, , 15, , yes > Nanncey William, , 9, , [blank] > Elizabeth William, , 7, , [blank] > Thomas William, 4, , , [blank] > > Margret William, , 2, , [blank] > Martha Evanes, , 73, mother in law, [blank] > > I have a bit more info on David & Martha William(s) if you want it. > > > > I am sorry but I can't help with Morris NICHOLAS; I have only the St > Dogmaels portion of the census and he is not in that. The index for Newport > District (by Dyfed FHS), which I also have, does not cover Morfil, but it does show > a Morris Nicholas, 50[i.e.50-54], Mason in Eglwyswrw at folio 009 page 012, > i.e. HO107/1446/6/9 page 12. This could be a false lead, though. > > Regards > Bill G-J > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > >

Pat - As I'm sure several other listers will confirm, the Anchor Line's CITY OF ROME entered Milford Haven (not Milford Docks, which had opened in Sep 1888) from NY on 16 Oct 1889, and landed 134 passengers (mostly Barnum's Circus people) via the GAEL tender. No passengers were embarked for a crossing to N.America. On 6 Dec 1898, the Canadian Steamship Company's GASPESIA arrived from Liverpool, and entered the Dock to load cargo. She then anchored in the Haven where she picked up about 40 passengers (mostly representatives of the companies involved in the enterprise, and their guests, rather than emigrants) via the ALLIGATOR tender, and sailed on 8 Dec, bound for Paspebiac (in the Gulf of St Lawrence). In the words of J.R.Rees, "The ship never returned and had no successor." So the chances of anyone's ancestor having sailed from Milford are very slim indeed! Barry Johnson Monmouthshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re passengers from Milford > Hello all > > Can any of you provide any answers to Susan who has left the lists for a > while - I have added her e-mail to me at the end of this. > I don't think there was much passenger traffic in 1880's as most went > from Liverpool I thought - but I'm not sure - and I don't know the > location of any passenger lists for either port. > > > You can reply to me, direct or via the list - or direct to Susan > at > > s_southcombe@hotmail.com > > Thanks very much > > > Pat > > > Dear Pat, > > I hope this e mail finds you well. I hope you remember me from our > previous > e mails. You may be aware that I volunteer on the look up exchange the > same > as you do. I haven't had as much time for my family history lately but I > still answer any enquiries from other people. There is a gentleman from > America who has contacted me regarding his family. He is a little stuck > at > the moment and I am trying to help him sort out the information he > already > has and make sure that he has the right family before we go any further. > > Would you know if any ships sailed from Milford Haven to America from > around > 1880 onwards? This is the place that he has been told is where his > ancestors > sailed from. I don't know if anyone on the Dyfed list may know or if you > know of anyone who may have a specific interest in this particular port. > I > wanted to know if there were any sailing passenger lists available to > search. If you aren't sure would you mind asking on list on my behalf, I > wou;ld be most grateful. Since having had a new family computer for Xmas > none of my family history files are up to date yet. > > I hpe you don't mind me asking you. > > Thanks, > > Susan. > > > -- > Pat Powell > > ______________________________

We have WILLIAMS in our family too, we know it is a very common name in Wales. Our Williams are in Haverfordwest. A Caleb Williams b. circ. 1828 ,Stonemason. A wife Jane b. 1822 in Hasguard. Children were Annie ,Mary Jane and a son C.L. -The Mason is the item of interest ? - The 1881 census shows them in Dark St. Haverfordwest. Mary Jane was married to a 'HITCHINGS'. - Herb and Mary Schwarz,Ontario,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] NICHOLAS, VAUGHAN, DAVIES, THOMAS AND WILLIAMS > Dear Jan and Bill, > > The marriage of David William and Martha Evan took place at St. Dogmaels > 07/11/1823. She does not have the "es" added to her name in the marriage > index. I could not find a marriage of an Evan or Evans to a Martha at St. > Dogmaels in the pre 1813 marriages, so she could have married in another > parish. Bill may have other information. > > I have an interest in earlier Evan/s in St, Dogmaels.,,,,but it is another > of the common surnames. > > Bettye Kirkwood. > > > > > > From: <BILLGJ@aol.com> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:08 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] NICHOLAS, VAUGHAN, DAVIES, THOMAS AND WILLIAMS > > > > > > In a message dated 10/02/2005 09:41:56 GMT Standard Time, jbs@nex.net.au > > writes: > > > > Do you have an Ann Williams listed with Mary Williams with father David, > > a Mason? Ann would have been about 9 and Mary 15. > > > > Would you mind also looking up Morris NICHOLAS for me in the 1841 > > Census. I have him as being born around 1789 (52ish in the 1841 census) > > and profession as Mason. He married a Mary DAVIES in 1836 in Morfil, > > Pembrokeshire. > > > > Any further help would be very much appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Jan Shaw. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jan, > > > > I think you are in luck! > > Here is a part of the 1841 census for St Dogmaels, HO107/1446/5/8: > > High Street, St Dogmaels > > //David William, 40, , Mason, yes > > Martha William, , 42, , yes > > Mary William, , 15, , yes > > Nanncey William, , 9, , [blank] > > Elizabeth William, , 7, , [blank] > > Thomas William, 4, , , [blank] > > > > Margret William, , 2, , [blank] > > Martha Evanes, , 73, mother in law, [blank] > > > > I have a bit more info on David & Martha William(s) if you want it. > > > > > > > > I am sorry but I can't help with Morris NICHOLAS; I have only the St > > Dogmaels portion of the census and he is not in that. The index for > Newport > > District (by Dyfed FHS), which I also have, does not cover Morfil, but it > does show > > a Morris Nicholas, 50[i.e.50-54], Mason in Eglwyswrw at folio 009 page > 012, > > i.e. HO107/1446/6/9 page 12. This could be a false lead, though. > > > > Regards > > Bill G-J > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Genuki PEM > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Thankyou Bill for the info re St. Dogmellsl/Dogwells. Don't have much information but what I do have follows: > Was Mary or Ann's age given? > The 1851 Census information I have (Cardiff) lists Mary as 25 years, and Ann (living at same address) as 19 years, both born in St. Dogmaels. This leads me to believe Ann and Mary were related. By the 1861 Census Mary had died and Ann had married James NICHOLAS, the widower. >What was David Williams' occupation? > Apparently he was a Mason. > Who was Ann's father? > > Don't know. > >I have the 1841 census for St Dogmaels and it contains 40 Mary Williams, >some 10 of whom were of marriageable age by 1848. However, you need to >establish whether you are looking in St Dogmells or St Dogwells. > > Do you have an Ann Williams listed with Mary Williams with father David, a Mason? Ann would have been about 9 and Mary 15. Would you mind also looking up Morris NICHOLAS for me in the 1841 Census. I have him as being born around 1789 (52ish in the 1841 census) and profession as Mason. He married a Mary DAVIES in 1836 in Morfil, Pembrokeshire. Any further help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Jan Shaw.

Hello all Can any of you provide any answers to Susan who has left the lists for a while - I have added her e-mail to me at the end of this. I don't think there was much passenger traffic in 1880's as most went from Liverpool I thought - but I'm not sure - and I don't know the location of any passenger lists for either port. You can reply to me, direct or via the list - or direct to Susan at s_southcombe@hotmail.com Thanks very much Pat Dear Pat, I hope this e mail finds you well. I hope you remember me from our previous e mails. You may be aware that I volunteer on the look up exchange the same as you do. I haven't had as much time for my family history lately but I still answer any enquiries from other people. There is a gentleman from America who has contacted me regarding his family. He is a little stuck at the moment and I am trying to help him sort out the information he already has and make sure that he has the right family before we go any further. Would you know if any ships sailed from Milford Haven to America from around 1880 onwards? This is the place that he has been told is where his ancestors sailed from. I don't know if anyone on the Dyfed list may know or if you know of anyone who may have a specific interest in this particular port. I wanted to know if there were any sailing passenger lists available to search. If you aren't sure would you mind asking on list on my behalf, I wou;ld be most grateful. Since having had a new family computer for Xmas none of my family history files are up to date yet. I hpe you don't mind me asking you. Thanks, Susan. -- Pat Powell

Can any lister help with the above ancestor of my wife. Thomas Laugharne - a son of Charles and Sarah Laugharne was born in Johnston in 1861. He married in December 1881 a Mary John who was born in St Brides circa 1863. Can anyone help me with Mary's ancestry please. Henry Johnston

In a message dated 10/02/2005 09:41:56 GMT Standard Time, jbs@nex.net.au writes: Do you have an Ann Williams listed with Mary Williams with father David, a Mason? Ann would have been about 9 and Mary 15. Would you mind also looking up Morris NICHOLAS for me in the 1841 Census. I have him as being born around 1789 (52ish in the 1841 census) and profession as Mason. He married a Mary DAVIES in 1836 in Morfil, Pembrokeshire. Any further help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Jan Shaw. Dear Jan, I think you are in luck! Here is a part of the 1841 census for St Dogmaels, HO107/1446/5/8: High Street, St Dogmaels //David William, 40, , Mason, yes Martha William, , 42, , yes Mary William, , 15, , yes Nanncey William, , 9, , [blank] Elizabeth William, , 7, , [blank] Thomas William, 4, , , [blank] Margret William, , 2, , [blank] Martha Evanes, , 73, mother in law, [blank] I have a bit more info on David & Martha William(s) if you want it. I am sorry but I can't help with Morris NICHOLAS; I have only the St Dogmaels portion of the census and he is not in that. The index for Newport District (by Dyfed FHS), which I also have, does not cover Morfil, but it does show a Morris Nicholas, 50[i.e.50-54], Mason in Eglwyswrw at folio 009 page 012, i.e. HO107/1446/6/9 page 12. This could be a false lead, though. Regards Bill G-J

Hi Syliva Good to know the 1871 transcribing is progressing and thanks very much for sharing these snippets with us Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Birch" <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Land of Dreams and 1871 > On a personal note for those of you who just watched Land of Dreams on > BBC2 coming from St Davids and the life of Derek Rees. I have to mention > with pride that Derek is my brother. > > For others of you who may know that I am at present transcribing the 1871 > Pembrokeshire Census, I thought you might enjoy a few snippets I have come > across recently. > My first set of triplets in Llanstadwell, the Burgess family, Thomas, John > and Isobel Aged 2. > In Amroth James & John Beynon, two brothers 57 & 52 years old, both sadly > deaf and dumb from birth. > In Llandissilio Martha Griffiths Age 28 a single servant on a farm, > leaving for America. > And finally for now in Marros, Hannah Davies and her son David aged 11. > Hannahs occupation says deserted by her husband so now a pauper and to top > it all she says her son is an Idiot. I do not think she was very happy on > the day the enumerator called! > > Should I come across more snippets I think you might find interesting as I > type my way through the parishes of Pembrokeshire and surrounding > Carmarthenshire and Cardigan borders I will post them and hope you too > will enjoy them as I do. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sylvia Birch sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > PEMBROKESHIRE Census on Line > www.cenquest.co.uk > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > > >

Hello Jan, Firstly St Dogmells(Dogmaels modern spelling) and St Dogwells: yes, they are different parishes in Pembrokeshire. St Dogmaels is across the river from Cardigan Town and has the larger population. It produced a lot of seafarers, many of whom migrated to Cardiff and Newport(Mon) in the 19th century. St Dogwells is midway between Haverfordwest and Fishguard - it is a bit closer to Maenclochog, but neither is next door. You need a map of the area - I hope you have one. Secondly the marriages: have you the full details? Was Mary or Ann's age given? What was David Williams' occupation? Who was Ann's father? I have the 1841 census for St Dogmaels and it contains 40 Mary Williams, some 10 of whom were of marriageable age by 1848. However, you need to establish whether you are looking in St Dogmells or St Dogwells. Regards Bill G-J In a message dated 07/02/2005 19:05:49 GMT Standard Time, jbs@nex.net.au writes: Hello, I am new to this list and wondered if anyone out there could help me with information about my ancestors. 1. Morris NICHOLAS, born c. 1789, married Elizabeth VAUGHAN in Maenchlochog in 1821. Morris also married Mary DAVIES in 1836. 2. Elizabeth VAUGHAN, died c. 1834, was the daughter of William VAUGHAN and Mary THOMAS and was the youngest of 11 children. 3. Mary THOMAS was the daughter of Henry THOMAS and Ann ? and was the eldest of seven children. 4. James NICHOLAS (son of Morris and Elizabeth) married Mary WILLIAMS (daughter of David WILLIAMS) in Cardiff in 1848 - Mary was born in St. Dogmaels or St. Dogwells (is this a misspelling or are there two places with these names?). After Mary died James then married Ann WILLIAMS (sister, cousin?) also from St. Dogmaels or St. Dogwells. I have 1851 census onwards for James and his family in Cardiff.. Can anyone help me with any further information please? Thankyou. Jan Shaw, Melbourne, Australia. ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== National Library of Wales _http://www.llgc.org.uk/_ (http://www.llgc.org.uk/)

Hi Rose I just had a look at the 1891 database which totals 102,600 people because it also covers the Carmarthenshire and Cardiganshire borders. The oldest woman was Mary Davies from Blaenporth at 103. There are a total of 91 people over the age of 90. On the other end of the scale there were 26,390 children aged 10 or under. Thats an lot of children! -------------------------------------------------------- Sylvia Birch sylvia@cenquest.co.uk PEMBROKESHIRE Census on Line www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Maytree4@aol.com To: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk ; WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Land of Dreams and 1871 Just to add to Sylvia's message, I have just been looking through the 1841 census returns for Marloes and have found a Jane Devereaux aged 100. Don't believe what we are told - our ancestors did live to quite old age, too. Rose

Dear Christopher, I had no luck in identifying a marriage at Loveston in the Pemb. index which would result in Mary's birth in 1829. In fact I could not see any Evans against Loveston, so would imagine her parents may have married in an adjoining parish. Because I could not find any post 1813 I decided to look pre-1813, and a George Evans 1802 at Loveston married Margaret Williams.......this is not much help to you, unless of course they happened to be Mary's grandparents, but with such a common name as Evans it may be hard to prove. As the marriage you mentioned took place after certificates were issued, perhaps you can find the couple in the free BDM and identify their marriage place. The certificate would certainly give you much valuable information. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Wright" <chrisw@skypoint.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Mary EVANS (Loveston) I'm trying to verify my GGrMother Mary Evans (neé Mary Evans) who was noted as coming from Loveston. The birth date I have is December 24, 1829. She was reportedly married to John Evans in 1849 (but probably no later than 1850 since she and John were reported married but childless in the 1851 GLAM census), and the marriage may have been in Loveston. I would be eternally grateful if SKS with access to Loveston records would either verify Mary's birth and marriage or (second-best) tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree. Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen. .......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw/ ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Gareth's Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

On a personal note for those of you who just watched Land of Dreams on BBC2 coming from St Davids and the life of Derek Rees. I have to mention with pride that Derek is my brother. For others of you who may know that I am at present transcribing the 1871 Pembrokeshire Census, I thought you might enjoy a few snippets I have come across recently. My first set of triplets in Llanstadwell, the Burgess family, Thomas, John and Isobel Aged 2. In Amroth James & John Beynon, two brothers 57 & 52 years old, both sadly deaf and dumb from birth. In Llandissilio Martha Griffiths Age 28 a single servant on a farm, leaving for America. And finally for now in Marros, Hannah Davies and her son David aged 11. Hannahs occupation says deserted by her husband so now a pauper and to top it all she says her son is an Idiot. I do not think she was very happy on the day the enumerator called! Should I come across more snippets I think you might find interesting as I type my way through the parishes of Pembrokeshire and surrounding Carmarthenshire and Cardigan borders I will post them and hope you too will enjoy them as I do. -------------------------------------------------------- Sylvia Birch sylvia@cenquest.co.uk PEMBROKESHIRE Census on Line www.cenquest.co.uk

Just to add to Sylvia's message, I have just been looking through the 1841 census returns for Marloes and have found a Jane Devereaux aged 100. Don't believe what we are told - our ancestors did live to quite old age, too. Rose

Lyn This Genuki page should help http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Begelly/index.html Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Tregilgas" <lyn.tregilgas@ozemail.com.au> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:58 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] BEGALLY > Could someone please tell me where BEGALLY is and something about it. I > have just found it on a census report and had never heard of it before. > > Thankyou > Lyn > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > > >

Could someone please tell me where BEGALLY is and something about it. I have just found it on a census report and had never heard of it before. Thankyou Lyn

I wonder if sks would have the parish records for Dale. I'm looking for Charles George ROCH and Elizabeth ROCH (nee MATHIAS) and have been unable to find their death records. Elizabeth originally came from Marloes. Regards Lyn Adelaide South Australia

Hello, I am new to this list and wondered if anyone out there could help me with information about my ancestors. 1. Morris NICHOLAS, born c. 1789, married Elizabeth VAUGHAN in Maenchlochog in 1821. Morris also married Mary DAVIES in 1836. 2. Elizabeth VAUGHAN, died c. 1834, was the daughter of William VAUGHAN and Mary THOMAS and was the youngest of 11 children. 3. Mary THOMAS was the daughter of Henry THOMAS and Ann ? and was the eldest of seven children. 4. James NICHOLAS (son of Morris and Elizabeth) married Mary WILLIAMS (daughter of David WILLIAMS) in Cardiff in 1848 - Mary was born in St. Dogmaels or St. Dogwells (is this a misspelling or are there two places with these names?). After Mary died James then married Ann WILLIAMS (sister, cousin?) also from St. Dogmaels or St. Dogwells. I have 1851 census onwards for James and his family in Cardiff.. Can anyone help me with any further information please? Thankyou. Jan Shaw, Melbourne, Australia.