Caroline again - just to say that there is apparently some Skyrme material available on www.genesreunited.co.uk. You can register free very easily and then revisit the site to enter specific names. I've only had a very brief 'play' with it and it seems to want to encourage you to take out an extended membership (!!) but it might be worth a look. At least initially it doesn't cost anything. Good hunting. Caroline D'Sa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Ford" <tony.ford@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Trying to trace a SKYRME researcher called Clive PINCH > This is supplementary to, but in a way separate from, the other posting > that I sent off a few minutes ago. > > My recent "Google" searches relating to my interest in the SKYRME family in > Pembrokeshire have produced multiple tantalising pointers to a site (now > apparently and sadly defunct, it seems) that one Clive Pinch used to > maintain > at > <http://www.btinternet.com/~clive.pinch>http://www.btinternet.com/~clive.pin ch > : this URL does not work for me, however!! > > Does anyone know either: > > (i) how to make the URL work; and/or > (ii) if Clive Pinch is still around, and (if so) whether there is an e-mail > address for him that I could try? > > I have tried all addresses that are associated with him a few years ago but > sadly all the transmissions that I have attempted have been bounced as the > addresses are no longer valid. > > Finally, maybe others may have copies of some of the material that used to > be on the above site? > > Tony Ford > Guildford, Surrey, UK > > MailTo:tony.ford@ntlworld.com > > Researching: SKYRME > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

John FYI. From my notes, here is the 1851 and 1861 census information (hopefully error-free as I transcribed it from the census forms!) for your Joseph and Elizabeth RICHARDS in Monkton. Mother in law was apparently with them in 1851 (I could not find the family in Monkton in the 1841 and 1871 censuses). 1851 Residence: Cricelton (<-- not sure of this word) Hill, Monkton Joseph Richards Head age 24 occ. Mason, b. Pembs St Twynnels Elizabeth Richards Wife age 24 (<-- not clear) b. Pembs, Castlemartin Elizabeth Duggan Visitor age 44 b. Pembs. St Twynnels (plus two servants - surnames Phillips and Powell) 1861 Residence ? Cottage, Monkton Elizabeth Richards Head Widow age 31 occ. Schoolmistress b. Pembs Castlemartin Jane Richards daugh age 10 b. Pembs Monkton John Richards son age 8 b. Pembs Monkton Joseph Richards sone age 5 b. Pembs Monkton In 1861 also have a Thomas RICHARDS (wife Martha) age 34 b. St Twynells (occ mason). Let me know if you wish to see details. Cheers Darryl GWYNNE, Glen Williams, Canada

Hi Richard Thanks for that, I'm copying to the list so that it gets the data in the list archives as well as Genuki. Surely you and Allan are connected ! http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Llanstadwell/Families.html Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard JOHNS" <richard@johns1351.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <gareth@tytwp.plus.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Family Project Hi Gareth, Not to sure if I have sent this to the correct address, Hope this is ok. Richard LLANSTADWELL; *1; JOHN James ( Llansdadwell 1856); *2; ? Annie (Llanstadwell 1851); * 3; Shipwright; *4; Church Road; Hazlebeach; Neyland;(1891); *5; Frederick 1877 (Lanstadwell) / Eunice 1879 (Llanstadwell) / Annie 1882 (Llanstadwell) / Lily 1885 (Llanstadwell) / Beatrice 1887 (Llanstadwell) / Rose 1891 (Llanstadwell); *6; Neyland;Pembroke 1901(Frederick John) *7; Richard Johns (Frederick). LLANSTADWELL; *1 JOHN Frederick (Llanstadwell 1877-1961); *2; TINDLE Mary Annie (Sunderland 1877-1957); *3; Shipwright; *4; Hazlebeach; Neyland; (1891) / Hazlebeach; Neyland; (1901); *5; Edwin 1908 (Neyland) / Maud ? *6; Neyland; Pembroke 1901 (Edwin John) *7; Richard Johns (Edwin). -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

Dear Ian, Cresselly is in Jeffreston, Pembrokeshire. You failed to tell us your gggrandmother's name.......was she an Allen? Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Moseley" <idm.moseley@virgin.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Cresselly Parish > Hello all, > > I am trying to trace my gggrandmother (paternal). > > She married Richard Andrews of Wookey Parish, Somerset and lived most if not > all of her married life in Merthyr Tydfil. > > On the 1871 census her birth place is listed as Kasey Parish, Pembrokeshire > In 1881 as just Pembroke > and in 1891 as Crishelly. > I take it that this is supposed to be Cresselly, I have looked at the IGI > batch numbers and on the GENUKI Pembroke's page but can not find any > reference to Cresselly. > > Is it a parish, or are there no parish records available, or is it a sub > parish? > > Regards, > Ian, > not usually baffled with Welsh Counties and Parishes. > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Dear Bettye, Thank you for your reply and to everyone who provided me with this information. I have not long started on this particular line, I have been too busy researching my very large Moseley tree and researching for other Moseley lines. On all the Census e.g. 1871,1881 and 1891 she is listed as Martha Andrews, I have no idea what her maiden name was. And at the moment I can not find her marriage to Richard Andrews, he was from Wookey Parish in Somerset, and they lived most of their married life in Merthyr Tydfil, so a choice of marriage places, Somerset, unlikely, Pembrokeshire a possibility, or MT more likely. Regards, Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Cresselly Parish Dear Ian, Cresselly is in Jeffreston, Pembrokeshire. You failed to tell us your gggrandmother's name.......was she an Allen? Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Moseley" <idm.moseley@virgin.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Cresselly Parish > Hello all, > > I am trying to trace my gggrandmother (paternal). > > She married Richard Andrews of Wookey Parish, Somerset and lived most if not > all of her married life in Merthyr Tydfil. > > On the 1871 census her birth place is listed as Kasey Parish, Pembrokeshire > In 1881 as just Pembroke > and in 1891 as Crishelly. > I take it that this is supposed to be Cresselly, I have looked at the IGI > batch numbers and on the GENUKI Pembroke's page but can not find any > reference to Cresselly. > > Is it a parish, or are there no parish records available, or is it a sub > parish? > > Regards, > Ian, > not usually baffled with Welsh Counties and Parishes. > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005

For Cresselly try looking in Jefferston Parish. Regards Frances.

Henry, This may help- 1851census for Eglwys Cymmin Folio 316 Page 4 William RICHARDS age 48 born Llanboidy Anne RICHARDS age 48 born Eglwys Cymmin Richard RICHARDS age 14 born Eglwys Cymmin Liza RICHARDS age 1 born Llandowror, Cmn. Mary RICHARDS age 69 born Eglwys Cymmin. also Folio 316 Page 5 John RICHARDS born age 21 Eglwys Cymmin. No trace of family in Amroth and no James. Please note that I only have the Census Index to work from so these are the only details I can send. My interest was, in the fact that, I have a David Richards, born 1809 in St Issells, (the next parish to Amroth) and have been trying to find details of his parents, David Richards and Selah WEBB. Details of our Richards can be found on Gareths Pembrokeshire Families Site under the parish of St Issells. Regards Frances Richards

Hello all, I am trying to trace my gggrandmother (paternal). She married Richard Andrews of Wookey Parish, Somerset and lived most if not all of her married life in Merthyr Tydfil. On the 1871 census her birth place is listed as Kasey Parish, Pembrokeshire In 1881 as just Pembroke and in 1891 as Crishelly. I take it that this is supposed to be Cresselly, I have looked at the IGI batch numbers and on the GENUKI Pembroke's page but can not find any reference to Cresselly. Is it a parish, or are there no parish records available, or is it a sub parish? Regards, Ian, not usually baffled with Welsh Counties and Parishes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005

Excuse me if I put in my pennyworth! Although I was Middlesex born and brought up, my paternal line is very much Pembrokeshire. My Grandfather was John Duggan Richards (b. Monkton 01/04/1853) and his line goes back to 1793 when Joseph RICHARDS was born. I do not yet know where but he is buried at St Twynnelles and there are many others relations born and died in that tip of the county. Further details on request off list. John Richards. (Hertfordshire) Researching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (SW Pembs.) 1800s and before. DYFED FHS Member.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Gwynne" <darryl.gwynne@sympatico.ca> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: William RICHARDS born c. 1809 Amroth : Henry : : In response to your message about RICHARDS and WEBB. : : I had originally pegged your William RICHARDS and Ann WEBB as my ggg : grandparents William and Ann RICHARDS who produced a family in Monkton, : Pembs but with your email and having just gone back through my data and : notebooks I wonder if perhaps been barking along the wrong branch! I'll : explain below but first I should tell you that I searched the Amroth : records (Bishops Transcripts 1799 - 1899) and found no baptism records for : either Ann WEBB or William RICHARDS (for the approx dates of their births) : although I did confirm their marriage ("William RICHARDS of the parish of : Moncton or St Nicholas bachelor and Ann WEBB spinster of this parish were : married by banns with consent of parish 26 of January 1834. Richard MORGAN : and Geo HUGHES witnesses") : : The Monkton reference in the RICHARDS - WEBB marriage entry (as well as the : date) convinced me that these were my ggg g-parents. My William and Ann's : first child, James Thomas RICHARDS was baptised in Monkton in Jan 1836 and : the Monkton baptisms of their children continue until the 6th child Martin : RICHARDS (bp Sept 1850) (details below). Their 5th child was my gg : grandfather Thomas RICHARDS bp 1845 and it is Thomas's marriage certificate : (to Ann COLE 30 Nov 1867) that lists his father as William RICHARDS (a : carpenter). As stated above, I can find no William RICHARDS of the : appropriate age bp in Amroth but there are a several baptisms in the Monkton : parish records: 12 May 1805 son of Richard Shea and Catherine; 27 Nov 12805, : son of Richard Llewhellin and Sarah; and 29 May 1814 son of James Richards : and Martha. : : The 1814 William is a possible candidate for my ggg g-father William as it : corresponds to the1881 Monkton census William RICHARDS widower, occ. : carpenter b abt 1814 and living with 11 year old daughter Mary Ann (born St : Mary's some 20 years after the last William - Ann Monkton-baptised child : making me wonder if this is the same William RICHARDS "carpenter"). : : Anyway perhaps we can see if we can get our respective 3xg grandfathers : worked out! : : Best wishes : : Darryl : GWYNNE, Glen Williams, Canada : ________________________ : Details of William and Ann RICHARDS of Monkton. : : Descendants of William and Ann Richards : : : Generation No. 1 : : 1. WILLIAM1 RICHARDS1,2,3 was born Abt. 1809 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, : Wales. He married ANN WEBB4,5 26 Jan 1834 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, : Wales6,7,8. She was born Abt. 1813 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales9. : <---???? CORRECT : : Children of WILLIAM RICHARDS and ANN WEBB are: : 2. i. JAMES THOMAS2 RICHARDS, b. Abt. 1836, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : 3. ii. JOHN RICHARDS, b. Abt. 1837, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : iii. ANN RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1839, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : iv. WILLIAM RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1841, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : 4. v. THOMAS RICHARDS, b. 1845, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : vi. MARTIN RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1850, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : : : vii. MARY JANE RICHARDS11, b. 1870, St Marys, Pembroke, Wales12. <-- ???? : : : Generation No. 2 : : 2. JAMES THOMAS2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)13 was born Abt. 1836 in Monkton, : Pembroke, Wales. He married SARAH14. : : Child of JAMES RICHARDS and SARAH is: : i. HERBERT3 RICHARDS14, b. Abt. 1869. : : : 3. JOHN2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)15 was born Abt. 1837 in Monkton, Pembroke, : Wales. He married MARY16, daughter of MR DAY and HANNAH. : : Children of JOHN RICHARDS and MARY are: : i. ELIZA3 RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1859, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : ii. ANNIE M. RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1864, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : iii. JAMES RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1866, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : iv. ROBERT RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1869, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : : : 4. THOMAS2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)17,18 was born 1845 in Monkton, Pembroke, : Wales19,20. He married (1) ELIZABETH. She was born 1843 in Llawhaden, : Pembroke, Wales. He married (2) ANN COLE21,22 30 Nov 1867 in Register : Office, District of Pembroke23, daughter of JAMES COLE and MARTHA DAVIES. : She was born 05 Dec 1846 in Monkton, Pembroke, Wales24,25, and died 1874 in : Priory Mains, Monkton, Pembrokeshire26. : : Children of THOMAS RICHARDS and ELIZABETH are: : i. THOMAS3 RICHARDS27, b. 1881, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : ii. ESTHER ELIZABETH RICHARDS27, b. 1878, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. : iii. MARGARET ANN RICHARDS27, b. 1876. : iv. WILLIAM J. RICHARDS27, b. 1869, Pembroke, Pembs, Wales. : v. DORCAS RICHARDS28, b. Abt. 1874. : vi. GEORGE RICHARDS28, b. Abt. 1898. : : : Children of THOMAS RICHARDS and ANN COLE are: : vii. ALFRED GEORGE3 RICHARDS29, b. 1871. : viii. MARY ANN (POLLY) RICHARDS30,31,32, b. Abt. 1874, Monkton, : Pembrokeshire, Wales; d. Aft. 1952, Williamstown, Wales; m. WILLIAM : GWYNNE33,34,35, 29 Dec 1894, St Nicholas, Monkton, Pembroke36; b. 1870, : Monkton, Pembrokeshire, Wales; d. Aft. 1942, Williamstown, Wales. : : : : Endnotes : : 1. IGI Individual record, lists William and Anne as parents of Thomas's : Christening (William's brith year and date concur with data in 1881 census). : 2. IGI Individual record, lists William with spouse Ann Webb and lists his : birthplace and date. : 3. Marriage Certficate for Thomas Richards and Ann Cole, list William : Richards, Carpenter as father of Thomas. : 4. Pembroke Marriages Register 1813-1837, Lists William of Monkton and Ann : (name of wife in IGI entry). : 5. IGI Individual record. : 6. Pembroke Marriages Register 1813-1837. : 7. IGI Individual record. : 8. Bishops Transcripts for Amroth. : 9. IGI Individual record. : 10. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. : 11. 1881 U.K. census, lists her with father William. : 12. 1881 Census. : 13. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. : 14. 1871 Census. : 15. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. : 16. 1871 Census. : 17. 1881 U.K. census. : 18. Marriage Certificate for William and Mary Ann Gwynne, lists Thomas - : "mason" - as father. : 19. 1881 U.K. census. : 20. IGI Individual record. : 21. 1871 Census for Monkton, lists an Ann as wife of Thomas. : 22. FreeBMD Entry, lists a Thom Richards x Ann Cole marriage entry. : 23. BM and D entry, for a marriage of Thos Richards and Ann Cole. : 24. 1851 Census. : 25. Birth Certificate. : 26. GRO Index, lists Ann Richards age 27 death, consistent with her age in : 1871 census. : 27. 1881 U.K. census. : 28. 1901 census. : 29. 1881 U.K. census. : 30. Personal communication from Trevor Gwynne, for names and family : information. : 31. 1881 U.K. census, confirmed family information. : 32. Birth Certificate of Sydney. : 33. April 30 1979 letter from Vera Gwynne (wife of Sidney's brother Henry), : "Syd's father's name was William . . . They lived at the Long Mains, : Monkton, Pembroke." : 34. May 8th 1979 letter from Edith Gwynne, . . . that her husband's father : William was from "Long Mains, Monkton, Pem." : 35. Birth Certificate of Sydney. : 36. Marriage Certificate for William and Mary Ann Gwynne. : : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: <Preselly@aol.com> : To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> : Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:06 PM : Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: William RICHARDS born c. 1809 Amroth : : : > : > I would be grateful if a lister is able to look up the 1851 census for : > William RICHARDS born c.1809 Amroth, who I believe is my wife's 3xggf. : He : > married an Ann WEBB on 26 January 1834. They had a son James born : c.1838. I would : > be very interested to know the make up of their family in 1851 etc. : James : > was born in Eglwys Cymmin, just over the Carmarthenshire border near : Marros. : > : > : > Henry Johnston : > Pembrokeshire : > : > : > : > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== : > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] : http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ : > : > : : : ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== : South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html : : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. : Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 : : -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005

Hi Melanie, I presume you have checked FREE BMD, but in case not - I think this might be your family. Pratt's birth cert might give the mother's maiden name in case the marriage I found is not correct Cheers Jocelyn Bond Sydney Australia Marriages Sep 1872 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Anne Narberth 11a 1136 Owens Stephen Narberth 11a 1136 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Owen Pratt Haverfordwest 11a 902 Marriages Sep 1882 George Francis Harrice Haverfordwest 11a 1200 Owens Anne Haverfordwest 11a 1200 in 1881: Dwelling: Lower Town Census Place: Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342306 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5423 Folio 45 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Anne OWEN W 38 F Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Pratt OWEN 5 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son

Frances Further to Henry's original request about 1851 census information on Willam RICHARDS, Ann WEBB and family. As stated in my reply to Henry and the list the Amroth marriage entry for William and Ann gives Monkton as William's parish. William and Ann's children also appear to have been born in Monkton (church records). I cannot find William and family in the 1851, 61 and 71 censuses for Monkton. Would you be willing to look at the 1851 census index to see if a William RICHARDS b abt 1810 Monkton (and wife Ann b abt 1813 Amroth) appear eslewhere in Pembrokeshire (children James abt 15, John abt 14, Ann abt 12, William abt 10, Thomas abt 6, and Martin abt 1)? Many thanks Darryl GWYNNE, Glen Williams, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Richards" <allanandmadge@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] William Richards born 1809 Amroth > Henry, > This may help- > > 1851census for Eglwys Cymmin Folio 316 Page 4 > > William RICHARDS age 48 born Llanboidy > Anne RICHARDS age 48 born Eglwys Cymmin > Richard RICHARDS age 14 born Eglwys Cymmin > Liza RICHARDS age 1 born Llandowror, Cmn. > Mary RICHARDS age 69 born Eglwys Cymmin. > > also Folio 316 Page 5 > John RICHARDS born age 21 Eglwys Cymmin. > > No trace of family in Amroth and no James. Please note that I only have the Census Index to work from so these are the only details I can send. > > My interest was, in the fact that, I have a David Richards, born 1809 in St Issells, (the next parish to Amroth) and have been trying to find details of his parents, David Richards and Selah WEBB. Details of our Richards can be found on Gareths Pembrokeshire Families Site under the parish of St Issells. > Regards > Frances Richards > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Henry In response to your message about RICHARDS and WEBB. I had originally pegged your William RICHARDS and Ann WEBB as my ggg grandparents William and Ann RICHARDS who produced a family in Monkton, Pembs but with your email and having just gone back through my data and notebooks I wonder if perhaps been barking along the wrong branch! I'll explain below but first I should tell you that I searched the Amroth records (Bishops Transcripts 1799 - 1899) and found no baptism records for either Ann WEBB or William RICHARDS (for the approx dates of their births) although I did confirm their marriage ("William RICHARDS of the parish of Moncton or St Nicholas bachelor and Ann WEBB spinster of this parish were married by banns with consent of parish 26 of January 1834. Richard MORGAN and Geo HUGHES witnesses") The Monkton reference in the RICHARDS - WEBB marriage entry (as well as the date) convinced me that these were my ggg g-parents. My William and Ann's first child, James Thomas RICHARDS was baptised in Monkton in Jan 1836 and the Monkton baptisms of their children continue until the 6th child Martin RICHARDS (bp Sept 1850) (details below). Their 5th child was my gg grandfather Thomas RICHARDS bp 1845 and it is Thomas's marriage certificate (to Ann COLE 30 Nov 1867) that lists his father as William RICHARDS (a carpenter). As stated above, I can find no William RICHARDS of the appropriate age bp in Amroth but there are a several baptisms in the Monkton parish records: 12 May 1805 son of Richard Shea and Catherine; 27 Nov 12805, son of Richard Llewhellin and Sarah; and 29 May 1814 son of James Richards and Martha. The 1814 William is a possible candidate for my ggg g-father William as it corresponds to the1881 Monkton census William RICHARDS widower, occ. carpenter b abt 1814 and living with 11 year old daughter Mary Ann (born St Mary's some 20 years after the last William - Ann Monkton-baptised child making me wonder if this is the same William RICHARDS "carpenter"). Anyway perhaps we can see if we can get our respective 3xg grandfathers worked out! Best wishes Darryl GWYNNE, Glen Williams, Canada ________________________ Details of William and Ann RICHARDS of Monkton. Descendants of William and Ann Richards Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 RICHARDS1,2,3 was born Abt. 1809 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales. He married ANN WEBB4,5 26 Jan 1834 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales6,7,8. She was born Abt. 1813 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales9. <---???? CORRECT Children of WILLIAM RICHARDS and ANN WEBB are: 2. i. JAMES THOMAS2 RICHARDS, b. Abt. 1836, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. 3. ii. JOHN RICHARDS, b. Abt. 1837, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. iii. ANN RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1839, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. iv. WILLIAM RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1841, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. 4. v. THOMAS RICHARDS, b. 1845, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. vi. MARTIN RICHARDS10, b. Abt. 1850, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. vii. MARY JANE RICHARDS11, b. 1870, St Marys, Pembroke, Wales12. <-- ???? Generation No. 2 2. JAMES THOMAS2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)13 was born Abt. 1836 in Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. He married SARAH14. Child of JAMES RICHARDS and SARAH is: i. HERBERT3 RICHARDS14, b. Abt. 1869. 3. JOHN2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)15 was born Abt. 1837 in Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. He married MARY16, daughter of MR DAY and HANNAH. Children of JOHN RICHARDS and MARY are: i. ELIZA3 RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1859, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. ii. ANNIE M. RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1864, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. iii. JAMES RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1866, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. iv. ROBERT RICHARDS16, b. Abt. 1869, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. 4. THOMAS2 RICHARDS (WILLIAM1)17,18 was born 1845 in Monkton, Pembroke, Wales19,20. He married (1) ELIZABETH. She was born 1843 in Llawhaden, Pembroke, Wales. He married (2) ANN COLE21,22 30 Nov 1867 in Register Office, District of Pembroke23, daughter of JAMES COLE and MARTHA DAVIES. She was born 05 Dec 1846 in Monkton, Pembroke, Wales24,25, and died 1874 in Priory Mains, Monkton, Pembrokeshire26. Children of THOMAS RICHARDS and ELIZABETH are: i. THOMAS3 RICHARDS27, b. 1881, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. ii. ESTHER ELIZABETH RICHARDS27, b. 1878, Monkton, Pembroke, Wales. iii. MARGARET ANN RICHARDS27, b. 1876. iv. WILLIAM J. RICHARDS27, b. 1869, Pembroke, Pembs, Wales. v. DORCAS RICHARDS28, b. Abt. 1874. vi. GEORGE RICHARDS28, b. Abt. 1898. Children of THOMAS RICHARDS and ANN COLE are: vii. ALFRED GEORGE3 RICHARDS29, b. 1871. viii. MARY ANN (POLLY) RICHARDS30,31,32, b. Abt. 1874, Monkton, Pembrokeshire, Wales; d. Aft. 1952, Williamstown, Wales; m. WILLIAM GWYNNE33,34,35, 29 Dec 1894, St Nicholas, Monkton, Pembroke36; b. 1870, Monkton, Pembrokeshire, Wales; d. Aft. 1942, Williamstown, Wales. Endnotes 1. IGI Individual record, lists William and Anne as parents of Thomas's Christening (William's brith year and date concur with data in 1881 census). 2. IGI Individual record, lists William with spouse Ann Webb and lists his birthplace and date. 3. Marriage Certficate for Thomas Richards and Ann Cole, list William Richards, Carpenter as father of Thomas. 4. Pembroke Marriages Register 1813-1837, Lists William of Monkton and Ann (name of wife in IGI entry). 5. IGI Individual record. 6. Pembroke Marriages Register 1813-1837. 7. IGI Individual record. 8. Bishops Transcripts for Amroth. 9. IGI Individual record. 10. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. 11. 1881 U.K. census, lists her with father William. 12. 1881 Census. 13. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. 14. 1871 Census. 15. Bishops Transcripts for Monkton. 16. 1871 Census. 17. 1881 U.K. census. 18. Marriage Certificate for William and Mary Ann Gwynne, lists Thomas - "mason" - as father. 19. 1881 U.K. census. 20. IGI Individual record. 21. 1871 Census for Monkton, lists an Ann as wife of Thomas. 22. FreeBMD Entry, lists a Thom Richards x Ann Cole marriage entry. 23. BM and D entry, for a marriage of Thos Richards and Ann Cole. 24. 1851 Census. 25. Birth Certificate. 26. GRO Index, lists Ann Richards age 27 death, consistent with her age in 1871 census. 27. 1881 U.K. census. 28. 1901 census. 29. 1881 U.K. census. 30. Personal communication from Trevor Gwynne, for names and family information. 31. 1881 U.K. census, confirmed family information. 32. Birth Certificate of Sydney. 33. April 30 1979 letter from Vera Gwynne (wife of Sidney's brother Henry), "Syd's father's name was William . . . They lived at the Long Mains, Monkton, Pembroke." 34. May 8th 1979 letter from Edith Gwynne, . . . that her husband's father William was from "Long Mains, Monkton, Pem." 35. Birth Certificate of Sydney. 36. Marriage Certificate for William and Mary Ann Gwynne. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preselly@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: William RICHARDS born c. 1809 Amroth > > I would be grateful if a lister is able to look up the 1851 census for > William RICHARDS born c.1809 Amroth, who I believe is my wife's 3xggf. He > married an Ann WEBB on 26 January 1834. They had a son James born c.1838. I would > be very interested to know the make up of their family in 1851 etc. James > was born in Eglwys Cymmin, just over the Carmarthenshire border near Marros. > > > Henry Johnston > Pembrokeshire > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ > >

I would be grateful if a lister is able to look up the 1851 census for William RICHARDS born c.1809 Amroth, who I believe is my wife's 3xggf. He married an Ann WEBB on 26 January 1834. They had a son James born c.1838. I would be very interested to know the make up of their family in 1851 etc. James was born in Eglwys Cymmin, just over the Carmarthenshire border near Marros. Henry Johnston Pembrokeshire

I have just read the discussion between Barry Johnson, Pat Powell, Susan and others, regarding passenger ships to America. I realise that the point of the query was to try to find ancestors believed to have embarked at Milford Haven, and I am sorry I cannot help in that except to ask if it would have been possible that the ancestor had lived in Milford Haven and that may have been why Milford Haven was handed down in the family history. I can imagine it being said "So-and-so left Milford Haven for America ........" when that person had made the first part of the journey by rail to a port such as Liverpool. Then I saw that the ship "The City of Rome" was mentioned and there is a slender chance that I could help in another way as I have an original passenger list for the 124 second class passengers who sailed to America on the S.S. "City of Rome" which left Liverpool on Saturday, 22nd May, 1897. My grandmother left Carnarvon (so to speak!) on that ship which is how I come to be in possession of the list. If it is of any help I could look at the names and see if the person you are looking for is mentioned, but at the moment I do not know the name to look for. It is an outside chance, I know, as there were many sailings in those days, but at least it would be one to cross off. Best Wishes, Jan, Glam ps I have tried to send this email twice before but it keeps bouncing back. Hope it works this time.

And again, it'll be Easter soon .................................. From: "Gareth" <gareth@tytwp.plus.com> To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "PEM" <WLS-Pembrokeshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "CGN" <WLS-Cardiganshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: Genuki - Families project reminder - cross posting > Ok, I'm back in nag mode :-) > > You should all be recovered from your Xmas/New Year excesses by now so > what > about submitting your, yes, I mean you, data for whichever of the 3 Dyfed > parishes you have ancestors in ? > > What project ? > Why this one of course ................ > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/CGNproject.html > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/CMNFamilies.html > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/PEMFamilies.html > > > Gareth > Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html > > . >

Dear Listers, I am really stuck with Great Great grandparents Stephen OWEN born abt 1843 - he drowned off Cape Cod in 1874 his son Pratt (born 1874) is whom I'm descended from, his wife was called ANN (I dont have any dates for her, she remarried (second husband was Frank George) and had ?two more children. I have not been able to find Stephen's birth or his marriage to Ann... any help would be fantastic! Thanks in anticiaption Melanie Researching several surnames in Fishguard/Dinas/Llanychaer/Manorowen areas! ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D Digest V05 #39

Hi Barry Thanks for your reply. Yes I agree that was my feeling too. Cheers Pat In message <003c01c51019$c7953b40$faa59852@yourlg3smph9sm>, Barry Johnson <saintcybi@llangibby.eclipse.co.uk> writes >Pat - > >As I'm sure several other listers will confirm, the Anchor Line's CITY OF >ROME entered Milford Haven (not Milford Docks, which had opened in Sep 1888) >from NY on 16 Oct 1889, and landed 134 passengers (mostly Barnum's Circus >people) via the GAEL tender. No passengers were embarked for a crossing to >N.America. > >On 6 Dec 1898, the Canadian Steamship Company's GASPESIA arrived from >Liverpool, and entered the Dock to load cargo. She then anchored in the >Haven where she picked up about 40 passengers (mostly representatives of the >companies involved in the enterprise, and their guests, rather than >emigrants) via the ALLIGATOR tender, and sailed on 8 Dec, bound for >Paspebiac (in the Gulf of St Lawrence). In the words of J.R.Rees, "The ship >never returned and had no successor." > >So the chances of anyone's ancestor having sailed from Milford are very slim >indeed! > >Barry Johnson >Monmouthshire > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:19 PM >Subject: Re passengers from Milford > > >> Hello all >> >> Can any of you provide any answers to Susan who has left the lists for a >> while - I have added her e-mail to me at the end of this. >> I don't think there was much passenger traffic in 1880's as most went >> from Liverpool I thought - but I'm not sure - and I don't know the >> location of any passenger lists for either port. >> >> >> You can reply to me, direct or via the list - or direct to Susan >> at >> >> s_southcombe@hotmail.com >> >> Thanks very much >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> Dear Pat, >> >> I hope this e mail finds you well. I hope you remember me from our >> previous >> e mails. You may be aware that I volunteer on the look up exchange the >> same >> as you do. I haven't had as much time for my family history lately but I >> still answer any enquiries from other people. There is a gentleman from >> America who has contacted me regarding his family. He is a little stuck >> at >> the moment and I am trying to help him sort out the information he >> already >> has and make sure that he has the right family before we go any further. >> >> Would you know if any ships sailed from Milford Haven to America from >> around >> 1880 onwards? This is the place that he has been told is where his >> ancestors >> sailed from. I don't know if anyone on the Dyfed list may know or if you >> know of anyone who may have a specific interest in this particular port. >> I >> wanted to know if there were any sailing passenger lists available to >> search. If you aren't sure would you mind asking on list on my behalf, I >> wou;ld be most grateful. Since having had a new family computer for Xmas >> none of my family history files are up to date yet. >> >> I hpe you don't mind me asking you. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Susan. >> >> >> -- >> Pat Powell >> >> ______________________________ > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Thanks Sylvia and Bettye for your replies. I think the John Laugharne from Gwaunnydd Newport in the 1881 census is probably the most likely candidate for the story I was following up. Anyway it's given me some leads to go on. > Original message: I'm following up a story in Martin Lewis "Newport > Pem. and Fishguard Revisited" pub 2003 about a John Laugharne from > Berry Hill who drowned in the Nevern estuary (no date given but it was > sometime before 1894 when the bridge was built) Martin Lewis mentioned that he was an agricultural servant at Berry Hill. I was assuming he was actually living there but this may not have been so. According to the story he drowned when returning drunk with a cartload of goods for Berry Hill. He was caught by a rising tide while fording the river Nevern and a subscription was raised shortly afterwards to build a bridge. (Welsh speakers can read the story on http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/vocab/show.pl/cy-en/www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/ deorllewin/papurau_bro/y_llien_gwyn/newyddion/hydref03.shtml. My Welsh is shaky but it seems to be a repetition of the story in Martin Lewis' book). I have no more details of the John Laugharne in question other than what is given in the story, so I don't know his age. I was just curious to discover how he fits into the general picture of Laugharnes of Dinas and Newport and to perhaps unearth more of the story. > Bettye said: That sounds an interesting book.......how far back in > time does it reach? It's mostly a collection of postcards with captions but some include extended stories such as this one. Most of the material is early to mid twentieth century. Worth a look for anyone researching the area. Amazon.co.uk have copies available from £9.09 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0752430408/qid%3D1108223771/ 202-4701976-2219022) Vivien

Dear Vivien, That sounds an interesting book.......how far back in time does it reach? The 1881 census shows a John Laugharne (Ag. Lab.)aged 21 living at Gwaunnydd, Newport, with his parents Daniel (Ag. Lab.)aged 53 (born Newport) and Catherine aged 54. A 19 years old married daughter named Ann Davies is also living with them accompanied by her 9 month old baby Catherine Davies. Daniel and the baby Catherine are the only two born Newport, the rest were all born Nevern. There is a lot of information about deeds for Bury/Berry on The National Library website, but I don't remember seeing anything about employees, especially the Laugharne name in this connection. Bettye Kirkwood, Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivien Boyes" <info@vivienboyes.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Laugharne/Newport > Could someone on the list please look up Berry Hill on the Newport > censuses from 1871 onwards and see if a John Laugharne is mentioned as > a servant there? If so I'm interested in discovering where and when he > was born. I'm following up a story in Martin Lewis "Newport Pem. and > Fishguard Revisited" pub 2003 about a John Laugharne from Berry Hill > who drowned in the Nevern estuary (no date given but it was sometime > before 1894 when the bridge was built). I'm curious to know whether > this John Laugharne is connected to any of the Laugharnes of Dinas and > Newport that I'm researching. > > Best wishes > > Vivien > http://www.vivienboyes.co.uk > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Bill, thank you very much for all your help and I would love whatever information you have available for David and Martha William(s). Bettye, thank you also for info about David and Martha EVAN (here we go, another family file to open!). Do you think there is a chance our EVAN/S could be related? Herb and Mary, I will keep your details so if I find a connection somewhere I'll be in touch. Regards, Jan.