Hello List, My apolgies for the blank message just sent. My intention was to send a message thanking the list for all the help they have recently given me regarding my BRINN family. I especially would like to thank Pat, Bettye,Joy, Jocelyn and Glyn. I hope I have thanked you all personally as well but wanted the list to know how appreciative I am of your time and efforts in helping others. Where would we be without you. Regards, Libby Clarke Bracebridge, Ontario Canada

A Pembrokeshire Counrtyman Looks Back.W.R. MORGAN I have a copy and it includes quiet a few references to WATERS family. Look ups ,scans if required .Mostly concerning Begelly including mini census of 1920 If you have specific Names, send and I will check. Yours Robert Alun Chick Penarth

Would love to hear from anyone researching the MATHIAS family who came from the Marloes/St Ishmaels area. Many thanks Lyn South Australia

Would love to hear from anyone researching the WATERS family who settled in Milford Haven from Durham Sunderland around the 1880's. Lyn

Hi John, Thanks for the information on Orielton. It is very useful to know that the position of the place was to the south-west of Pembrokeshire as it may be an indication that the two Jenkins families are not directly connected. My understanding is that the family I am researching was never further west than Haverfordwest, and that although they moved a number of times over a period of many years it was always in an easterly direction. Thanks again, and Best Wishes, Jan

Hi Anthony, What a pleasant surprise - I wasn't expecting to get a possible contact! I am helping a friend of mine look into her family tree on the JENKINS side as she is not a computer user. I have just been talking to her on the phone to make sure that I give you correct information as it is known at the moment. Where to start?! There was a JOHN JENKINS b 1844 whose father was a LEVI JENKINS b1814 and his mother was a Margaret (nee Johns) b about 1818. Levi died in 1859 and as John was only 14 yrs of age then he went to live with his Uncle ABEDNEGO JENKINS b. about 1818/19. I am hoping to see both of them in the same household on the 1861 which is why I posted the email asking SKS to do a look-up for me. When JOHN JENKINS grew up he married and had a number of children one of whom was also named LEVI JENKINS (born about 1878), The name Orielton as a place or as a school is unkonwn to us so I can't throw any light on that, but the Biblical names you commented on I believe reflect the religious background of many families of that time as there was a strong nonconformist section of the population in Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire as I understand it. So I am finding that names which seem unusual to us were actually more common at the time than I had thought. The only other information I can give which may help you decide whether or not your Jenkins family and that of my friend is the same one, is this: JOHN JENKINS had brothers ELIAS JENKINS b about 1839, MORGAN JENKINS b. about 1847, and GAD JENKINS b. about 1849. I hope this helps and I will be looking forward to hearing from you again. Best Wishes, Jan PS If anyone else reading this can add to our knowledge of this family, especially on the 1861 census, I would be really pleased if you would contact me. Thanks in advance, Jan

Hi Rose Were you aware that the Dyfed FHS have indexed the 1841 Census? It is available on fiche from their website www.dyfedfhs.org.uk Bye for now Joy

Hi to all, With the help of list members I now have some details of ABEDNEGO JENKINS b. about 1818/19 St Clears, PEM. He was a Calvinistic Methodist Minister in Carmarthenshire and I have him on the 1871 Census in Glam and also the 1881 Census in Carmarthenshire. I am hoping now that someone who has access to the 1861 census would be kind enough to look up ABEDNEGO JENKINS again (although I'm not sure if he was in PEM or CMN at the time, sorry!) as I am now trying to find a JOHN JENKINS who was related to Abednego in some way and went to live with him and his family when he was 14 years old in 1858. John was born in April 1844 and would have been 17 yrs old by the time of the 1861 and may still be living in the household of Abednego who would have been 42 at the time of the 1861 census. Hoping someone may be able to find them, thanks in advance, Jan

Dear Jocelyn, I can't thank you enough for all the information you have sent me. It will take some time to sift through it all. I have gone ahead and ordered John Brinn's birth certificate to see if there is a father named. I did it through the Free BMD and it was so easy. Unfortunately it gets to be quite expensive for us over the pond. I also bought some units at 1837 Online and found the death for Amelia and Lydia Brinn in the September quarter of 1860, Pembroke, 11a Page 337. It must have been difficult for twins to survive. All the information on the Griffiths family is fascinating and I just wish I could win a lottery and obtain all the necessary documents to put this family all together. Once again, Jocelyn thanks for all your help. Regards, Libby

I am compiling for my own use an Index to the 1841 Census for Pembrokeshire for the name DAVIES. Parishes covered so far are : ROSEMARKET MARLOES ST. ISHMAELS TALBENNY WALWYN'S CASTLE DALE HASGUARD WALTON WEST If anyone is interested, I am quite happy to search any of the above parishes for DAVIES. Rose

Hello Pat, Thank you so much for the information you sent regarding Margaret Brinn and Mark Griffiths marriage. I have had such an overwhelming response to my search for Brinn's that I now need to win a lottery so I can order all the certificates. I appreciate everyones time and efforts in looking up this information. I'm looking forward to sorting through everything and making sense of it all. Regards, Libby -----Original Message----- From: Pat Powell [mailto:pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:13 PM To: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re Margaret Brinn Hi Libby >From the FreeBMD - this could be Margaret's marriage. Marriages Sep 1880 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brinn Margaret Pembroke 11a 1039 GRIFFITHS Mark Pembroke 11a 1039 John Martha Pembroke 11a 1039 LLEWERLLYN John Pembroke 11a 1039 Pat -- Pat Powell ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Pembrokeshire Archives email claire.orr@pembrokeshire.gov.uk

Dear Tony, I wonder, even though James Skyrme, wasn't born until about 1842, if perhaps his parents might have been the John SKYRM, Labourer, and Mary Griffiths who married at Penally 01/10/1835.....interestingly, another John SKYRM, Labourer married Phebe James of St. Mary's, Tenby, at Penally on 18/07/1835. I don't have the marriage records from 1837 to 1842. Unfortunately the Castlemartin Hundred (of which Penally is part) pre-1813 marriages index is divided into male and female sections...others may have the brides' names, I don't. However, James Skyrme married in 1809, a John Skyrme married in 1802 and William Skyrme in 1798.....all at Manorbier. Another Lister may have the required information, otherwise Haverfordwest Records Office could look up and provide parish register entry copies. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Ford" <tony.ford@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Looking for other SKYRME name researchers > Dear List Members > > I wonder if any other list members are researching (or may have researched) > the name SKYRME in Pembrokeshire in the C19 and earlier? > > I have only started this angle of enquiry very recently, for the mother of > a close friend (her father was a SKYRME, born in 1894). > > Her great grandfather was a James SKYRME born in Penally, Pembrokshire in > about 1842 , and whose own father seems to have been a John SKYRME, whose > wife's first name was Mary. > > James married a Martha RICHARDS, I assume sometime between 1860 and > 1866. Jmes and Martha had several children between (at least!) 1865 and > 1879, as shown below > > David John Skyrme - 1865 approx > William James Skyrme - 23 June 1867 > Edith Mary Skyrme - 1871 approx > James Skyrme - 1876 approx > Alice Jane Skyrme - 1879 approx > > Thanks to anyone who can help me look further back up the SKYRME line. > > N.B.: I am aware that other SKYRME-related material was previously > published on the web by others, especially by a Clive Pinch, and I will > file a separate posting about that to this list. > > > Tony Ford > Guildford, Surrey, UK > > MailTo:tony.ford@ntlworld.com > > Researching: SKYRME > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > >

Dear Henry, Possibilities in Rhos Hundred include: John Lawrence 1787 married Elizabeth Cale at Burton William Lawrence 1784 married Elizabeth Williams at Camrose William Lawrence 1792 married Elizabeth Rees at Robeston West. I also note that an Essex LAURENCE married Martha Page at Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1751....which may be of interest, because of the child named Essex. It may, of course, only be coincidental as Essex became a very common first name in Pembrokeshire. I looked at the Wills index but unfortunately Essex Laurence does not appear to have made a will.......however the record of wills does not show administrations. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Preselly@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: John LAWRENCE b. circa 1796 > I would be grateful if any listers can assist in tracing the parents of my > wife's 3xgg grandparents. John LAWRENCE b. abt 1796 married Elizabeth DAVIES > (b. abt. 1798) in St Mary's Haverfordwest on 21 December 1817. Their > children included Jane, Eleanor, William and Essex. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > Henry Johnston > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

Tony said > Via Gareth's prompt response to me yesterday (sent within 70 mins of my > making my search posting, even on a Sunday)...... I have to jump in quick if I know the answer, not that often on this list :-) The Internet Archives site does have a detailed background page, under 'About IA' in top menu. Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Ford" <tony.ford@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Trying to trace a SKYRME researcher called Clive PINCH

Heartfelt thanks to Gareth, our List-Admin ! Via Gareth's prompt response to me yesterday (sent within 70 mins of my making my search posting, even on a Sunday), I was pointed to a [free!] internet web site archival site at URL http://www.archive.org/ which indeed does contain several "snapshots" taken until mid-2003 of the Clive Pinch material that previously had just been hinted at in other references I had found. This archive site was previously unknown to me and I will have to see how it works; it could be useful for many purposes, I just wonder how large it is and what is funding its continued existence. Not only does this archive of the material that I had been seeking reveal many, many of the pages of Clive Pinch's tree and associated comments, as well mirroring the original site organisation, it also includes a 24 KB GEDCOM file that he had made available for downloading, containing many of the SKYRM(E) names in which I am interested, and validating (for what it is worth .... :-) ) most of what I had already had established. This takes us back now to a John SKYRME (born 1749, died 1845 in Manorbier, and who married an Elizabeth MAURICE in October 1774). How to set about peeling away that particular onion, I wonder? Tony Ford Guildford, Surrey, UK MailTo:tony.ford@ntlworld.com Researching: SKYRME ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 15:10 20/02/2005, you wrote: >Tony >The url is well dead. > >All is not lost, the most useful internet archives site shows various >historic pages for it, gives up in mid 2003 >Search on the url when you get there >http://www.archive.org/ > >Gareth >Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists >Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Hi Libby From the FreeBMD - this could be Margaret's marriage. Marriages Sep 1880 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brinn Margaret Pembroke 11a 1039 GRIFFITHS Mark Pembroke 11a 1039 John Martha Pembroke 11a 1039 LLEWERLLYN John Pembroke 11a 1039 Pat -- Pat Powell

Hello Libby Following on from Bettye's e-mail - here is Robert and family in the 1841 census. parish of Carew enum dist 16 Folio 14 page 21 Carew Mountain Robert Brinn 45 Limetone Quarry Y Margaret " 50 Y Robert " 13 Y Anne " 9 Y Jane Griffiths 50 Pauper Y Note: Robert Brinn Labourer married Margaret Griffiths in Carew on 6th July 1816 In 1851 (i only have the index for this area) parish of Carew Folio 217 page 6 schedule 22 Robert Brinn 61 PEM St Florence Margaret " 60 PEM Carew Anne Brinn is at schedule 23. brother Robert is not in Carew in 1851 There is a good possibility in the GLam Merthyr Lower , South Georgetown 1851 census Dynevor Street Joseph Brace HD M 33 Ironstone miner PEM Jane " WI M 29 GLA Merthyr Tydfil Robert Bryn 23 Lodger U 23 Ironstone miner PEM I see from the 1881 census that daughter Margaret married Mark Griffiths. If you got her marriage certificate you could see what she put as her Father's name. In case you haven't seen it - presumablt this shows both Margaret and John. Dwelling: Mutton Hill Census Place: Cosheston, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342303 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5408 Folio 39 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mark GRIFFITHS M 23 M Nash, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Margaret GRIFFITHS M 24 F Carew, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Laborers Wife Anne Jane GRIFFITHS 2 m F Cosheston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur John BRINN U 20 M Carew, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Brother In Law Occ: Dock Yard Laborer That's all for now I'll get back to you if I find out more. Pat In message <CPEIJEPCPOOFDMNOPNGHEELEEBAA.beansclarke@sympatico.ca>, Libby <beansclarke@sympatico.ca> writes >Hello, > I'm hoping someone can do a look up in the 1861 Census for Pembroke. I'm > looking for a Annie(Ann, Anne) BRINN and possible a daughter named > Margaret. > Anne was born approximately 1840 and I'm not sure of her birthplace. > Margaret was born approximately 1857 in Carew, Pembroke. > I believe I have found Annie, Dressmaker, with her son John, in the 1871 > Census for Carew. John was born about 1863 and is 8 in that Census. > I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this for me as I do not > know if there is a husband in the picture or not. > Thanks in anticipation. > > > Libby Clarke > Bracebridge, ON > Canada > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Hi Libby, Just in case this turns out to be relevant: for many years a Peter BRINN seems to have been the parish clerk for Cosheston (just up the road from Carew). He was witnessing marriages in Cosheston from at least 1780 to 1823. Glyn Hatherall Ealing, London glyn@hatherall.org.uk > From: "Libby" <beansclarke@sympatico.ca> > Date: 19 February 2005 22:14:54 GMT > To: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: 1861 Census BRINN > > Ooops, so sorry I forgot to put something in the subject line so am > resending this message in hope that it will grab someone's attention. > Hello, > I'm hoping someone can do a look up in the 1861 Census for Pembroke. > I'm > looking for a Annie(Ann, Anne) BRINN and possible a daughter named > Margaret. > Anne was born approximately 1840 and I'm not sure of her birthplace. > Margaret was born approximately 1857 in Carew, Pembroke. > I believe I have found Annie, Dressmaker, with her son John, in the > 1871 > Census for Carew. John was born about 1863 and is 8 in that Census. > I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this for me as I do not > know if there is a husband in the picture or not. > Thanks in anticipation. > > Libby Clarke > Bracebridge, ON > Canada

Hi Bettye, Thanks so much for you reply to my quest for BRINN's. I did not have this information and it confirms what I suspected.....no husband for Anne (at least not that we can see). With information that another lister has sent I think I am now in a position to order a couple of certificates that may confirm things for me. Again, this list is so helpful, I now have information to keep me busy for quite a while. Regards, Libby -----Original Message----- From: BJ & LC Kirkwood [mailto:bjkirkwood@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 6:41 PM To: Libby; WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] RE: 1861 Census BRINN Dear Libby, It does not look like there's a husband. In the Village of Carew is Robert Brinn, a widowed Stone Quarrier.....his age might end in a 3....unfortunately there is a big black cross right over the entry, particularly the first figure. He was born at St. Florence. Living with him is Anne his 25 years old Unmarried Boot Binder daughter and his 4 years old granddaughter Margaret. I guess there is always the possibility that Margaret is the daughter of Robert's unknown son, unless you are sure that Anne is her mother. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Libby" <beansclarke@sympatico.ca> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] RE: 1861 Census BRINN > > Ooops, so sorry I forgot to put something in the subject line so am > resending this message in hope that it will grab someone's attention. > Hello, > I'm hoping someone can do a look up in the 1861 Census for Pembroke. I'm > looking for a Annie(Ann, Anne) BRINN and possible a daughter named > Margaret. > Anne was born approximately 1840 and I'm not sure of her birthplace. > Margaret was born approximately 1857 in Carew, Pembroke. > I believe I have found Annie, Dressmaker, with her son John, in the 1871 > Census for Carew. John was born about 1863 and is 8 in that Census. > I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this for me as I do not > know if there is a husband in the picture or not. > Thanks in anticipation. > > > Libby Clarke > Bracebridge, ON > Canada > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > >

Hi Joy, What a plethora of information you have given me. I can't thank you enough. It will take me some time to sift through it all and see how it all fits. I did find on the BMD index that there was a Lydia and and Amelia both born June quater 1860. You make reference to these 2 children, however you have given the date of baptism for Amelia as 11 June 1870. Is this a typo. It would appear these were twins born to Anne and as you suspect they may have died soon after their baptism. In order to determine this I will have to send for their certificates. Again, thanks for all this information. Such a helpful list. Regards, Libby -----Original Message----- From: Joycozens@aol.com [mailto:Joycozens@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:02 AM To: beansclarke@sympatico.ca; WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] RE: 1861 Census BRINN Hi Libby It rather looks as though your Anne Brinn was a 'naughty' girl more than once! I have extracted the following from the IGI all baptised at Carew 19 Apr 1857 Margaret Parent Anne Brinn 11 Jun 1860 Lydia " " 1 May 1864 John " " 11 Jun 1870 Amelia " " Only by checking the actual entries in the parish register will you establish whether she was shown as a 'single woman'. Pembrokeshire Record Office - Archives@pembrokeshire.gov.uk Neither Lydia or Amelia appear with Anne on any Census. They may have died shortly after their baptism or have been taken in by their respective fathers under their surnames. Once again a check of the burials register for Carew could provide the answer or you could check FreeBMD or 1837online to see if a Death Certificate was issused for them. Margaret and John did both survive and are listed in the 1881 Census as follows Dwelling: Mutton Hill Census Place: Cosheston, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342303 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5408 Folio 39 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mark GRIFFITHS M 23 M Nash, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Margaret GRIFFITHS M 24 F Carew, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Laborers Wife Anne Jane GRIFFITHS 2 m F Cosheston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur John BRINN U 20 M Carew, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Brother In Law Occ: Dock Yard Laborer You have managed to find Anne in Carew in 1871 but here is her entry in 1861as requested 1861 Census PRO Ref. RG9 Piece No 4152 Folio 18 Page 1 Schedule No 4 Vilage of Carew Robert Brinn, Head, Widr, 78, Stone Quarrier, born Pemboke, St, Florence Anne Brinn, Daur, Unm, 25, Boot (Book?) Binder, born Pembroke, Carew Margaret Brinn, G.Daur, - , 4, - , born Pembroke, Carew 1851 Census Index only PRO Ref. HO107 Piece No 2476 Folio 217 Page 6 Schedule No 22 & *23 Robert Brin, 61, born St. Florence Margaret Brin, 60, born Carew *Anne Brin, 18, born Carew Although Anne is next door to her parents she may not be living on her own but in someone's household. As this is an index it is impossible to establish this. 1841 Census PRO Ref. HO107 Piece 1448 Book 4 Folio 12 Page 21 Carew Mountain, Pembs Robert Brinn, 45, Limestone Quarry, Y Margaret Brinn, 50, - , Y Robert Brinn, 13, - , Y Anne Brinn, 9, - Y Jane Griffiths, 50, Pauper, Y Children of Robert/Margaret Brinn baptised at Carew from the IGI 12 Jan 1817 William 24 Jan 1823 Thomas 19 Mar 1827 Robert 14 Mar 1832 Anne Marriage at Carew from Index 6 July 1816 Robert Brinn, Labourer = Margaret Griffith (She made her mark) Details of witnesses obtainable from parish register entry. Father's names did not appear until commencement of Civil Registration 1837. I collected these as I though they might be connected with my Cosheston Brinn family. Hope this will be of some help Bye for now Joy