Hello Debbie 1841 census parish of Mydrim enum dist 25 page 3 Drewern Daniel Stone 60 Ag Lab N Elizabeth " 60 Y It lokkas if if his wife is shown below in the 1851 census enum dist 8c Folio 322 page 9 schedule 31 Blaenpant Elizabeth Stoneyware Head Wid Pauper Ag lab's widow CMN Trelech Is this he the Daniel Stone of Llanfihangel Abercowin who married widow Elizabeth Morgan in Mydrim on June 21 1803? As he has N against his birthplace - was he possibly born in Pembrokeshire? I seem to remember looking up some Stonehewers quite a while ago - was that for you? If not would you like me to look back and see if I can find out who it was for? Cheers Pat In message <BAY15-DAV652B8158A932935080248A4530@phx.gbl>, Debbie Jackson <debandandyjackson@hotmail.com> writes >Hello > >I would be very grateful if someone could look up the 1841 census of Mydrim >for a Daniel Stone/Stonewary/Stonehewer. According to his death certificate >he died in Jan 1845 at Drewern, Mydriem age 66. > >Many thanks >Debbie Jackson > -- Pat Powell

Hello I would be very grateful if someone could look up the 1841 census of Mydrim for a Daniel Stone/Stonewary/Stonehewer. According to his death certificate he died in Jan 1845 at Drewern, Mydriem age 66. Many thanks Debbie Jackson

Debbie, I was unable to find Mydriem in Pembroke in the census, or indeed in an old gazeteer or on a modern map. I did find a Meidrim in Carmarthenshire but I couldn't find Daniel in the 1841 census for that area. I hope someone else has better luck for you, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Jackson [mailto:debandandyjackson@hotmail.com] Sent: March 10, 2005 8:12 PM To: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1841 census Hello I would be very grateful if someone could look up the 1841 census of Mydrim for a Daniel Stone/Stonewary/Stonehewer. According to his death certificate he died in Jan 1845 at Drewern, Mydriem age 66. Many thanks Debbie Jackson ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

Hello Rose As it is quiet at the moment. You may remember I mentioned the oldest woman I had come across so far in 1871 was Mary Davies from Blaenporth aged 103. I have now come across another Mary Davies living in St Michael aged 102. Dinah Jenkins in Slebech age 99 was lucky enough to be receiving 4 shillings a week from the Picton Castle Estate. Moving to the other end of the scale. The Harries family in East Williamston included seven children, four daughters and three sons, Benjamin, George and James. Sadly the three boys were all born deaf and dumb but it appears the girls were fine. Also I have my first family of chimney sweeps, the youngest Elias being just 8 years old. -------------------------------------------------------- Sylvia Birch sylvia@cenquest.co.uk PEMBROKESHIRE Census on Line www.cenquest.co.uk

Hi Rose As you thought, it is a case of being 'exceptionally quiet'. Perhaps they're all away from their machines decorating like me ......................... Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maytree4@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Testing the system, again. . . . >I have received nothing from the Pembs list for the past few days. Is it > just exceptionally quiet or does Rootsweb have problems again. > > Rose > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > > >

Sylvia, I must admit its fascinating reading the Census returns. I often wonder what they will read like in 100 years time. Rose

Hi Gareth, Yes, I agree. Time we all spent doing decorating or gardening or whatever. I'm afraid I don't get much done around the house these days and its crumbling around me! I really must stop doing so much genealogy (but I don't think I will). Rose

Obviously, just gone very quiet as I have just received my message... Rose

I have received nothing from the Pembs list for the past few days. Is it just exceptionally quiet or does Rootsweb have problems again. Rose

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Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, feature the following subjects: 1. The village of Eglwyswrw in the county of Pembrokeshire (five pictures). This feature was first shown on my website in August 1998. 2. St Cynllo's Parish Church at Llanbister in the county of Radnorshire (nine pictures). This feature was also first shown on my website in August 1998. These two features will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Images of Wales: http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 02/03/2005

Hello Glyn Can see Isaac in 1841 Cosheston or Lawrenny - but here is what I have so far:- 1841 Cosheston Folio 19 Page 10 Margaret Kenniford 70 Pauper Y George " 21 J Mason Y 1851 Cosheston Folio 275 page 6 schedule 23 Isaac Kennyford 37 Pem Cosheston Mary " 38 Pem Dale Folio 270 page 14 schedule 61 Margaret Kiniford 80 Pem Cosheston George " 34 " Ellin " 23 Dow Ireland George " 1 Liverpool Margret " 1 mth Pem Cosheston Cheers Pat In message <24042320-8CA1-11D9-9FFD-000A95D42716@btinternet.com>, Glyn Hatherall <hatherall@btinternet.com> writes >I would be grateful if someone could locate the family below for me in >1841. >Here's hoping... > >Glyn Hatherall >Ealing, London >glyn@hatherall.org.uk >scarrott@one-name.org > >Isaac KENNIFORD >Birth: app 1815, Cosheston >Chr: 18 Jun 1815, Cosheston >Death: bef 1861 >Occ: 1838 lab., 39 Lawrenny.Ferry, lab., 1847 sailor, 1851 ag.lab. / >sailor >Father: John CANIFORD, GGG Grandfather (~1770-1822) >Mother: Marg(a)ret HUGHES, GGG Grandmother (~1773-1852) >Spouse: Ann CASTLE >Birth: app 1808 >Death: Mar 1848, Ringley Wells (40) >Burial: 10 Feb 1848, Cosheston >Marr: 27 Oct 1838, Cosheston >Children: Elizabeth (1839-1846) > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

on 4/3/05 7:00 am, Margaret at martre@westnet.com.au wrote: > Hi All > > Can any one help please I am still chasing the Jenkins family I have had > some great help from people already but I can not seem to get very far with > my Welsh relatives I am looking for quite a lot. > a Marriage for William Jenkins and Ann John about 1851? > a birth for Willian Jenkins about 1830 in Mathry. where would the baptisum > be held if they were Methodists i think that they might have been. Ann > John says that she was born in Llanrhian 1830 I hope that some one can > help. I have looked at the St Caths marriages but as I dont know where they > were married it is a bit difficult > > Kind Regards > Margaret Hello Margaret I wonder whether this is your family? If it is, it could provide some pointers regarding their marriage date: 1851 census index HO107/2479, Llanreithan, folio 47, page 8, schedule 24 Ann JINKINS, 20(?), b. Llanreithan James JINKINS, 1mo, b. Llanreithan William JINKINS, 22, b. Mathry Llanreithan buts on to both Mathry and Llanrhian Gerry Lewis

Hi Maureen David Rowe and family in 1861 Census PRO Ref. RG9 Piece No 4155 Folio 104 Page 29 Schedule No 174 9 North Park Street, Pembroke Dock David ROWE, Head, Mar, 40, Dock Labourer, PEM Pennally Jane ROWE, Wife, Mar, 38, - , PEM Narberth Thomas ROWE, Son, Unm, 18, Labourer, PEM Pennally David ROWE, Son, Unm, 16, Labourer, PEM Pennally Jane ROWE, Daur, Unm, 12, Servant, PEM Pembroke George ROWE, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, PEM Pembroke Dock Mary Ann ROWE, Daur, Unm, 5, - , PEM Pembroke Dock Caroline ROWE, Daur, Unm, 1, - , PEM Pembroke Dock William MORGAN, Step Son, Unm, 12, - , PEM Pembroke Dock Charles MORGAN, Step Son, Unm, 10, - , PEM Pembroke Dock NB Caldy Island is in the parish of Penally and census asks for Parish (not place) of birth Just to add to what Pat has sent you - In the 1851 Census for Pembroke Dock is the following PRO Ref HO107 Piece No 2476 Folio 430 Page 51 Schedule No 207 81 Park Street, Pembroke Dock (Sharing one house with William and Eliza Bateman and their 3 sons) Jane Morgan, Head, Unm, 25, Charwoman, PEM, Narberth William Morgan, Son, - , 2, - , PEM, Pembroke Dock Charles Morgan, Son, - , 5 m, - , PEM, Pembroke Dock So for Jane her marriage to David Rowe was her first but, in the light of what Pat has given you, was it David's first marriage too? Bye for now Joy

In answer to my own recent query on the Glamlist as to what indexes, if any, one could search *in person* at a local Register Office, I have ascertained from Cardiff Register Office the following facts which I will expand on if and when the 2 other ROs I contacted respond; http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html#LocalROs ########################### What local Register Offices have to offer visitors a.. Members of the public are not allowed access to the actual registers deposited at Register Offices. b.. There is 'general search' facility available whereby a person can pay a fee of £18 and search through the index books of births deaths and marriages for a period up to 6 hours. Registration staff then check each reference against the register to determine whether or not it is the 'correct' entry. c.. Indexes at each RO are complied by RO staff from the actual registers in their custody.An index book will only show the full name and page number in the register; they are in date order and then broken down into alphabetic. No maiden name or spouse/ parents names are shown in an index book. d.. There is a £7.00 fee for the issue of the certificate. e.. Some offices are so small, or facilities so poor, that they are not able to let the public search and it is often easier for staff to search themselves. Staff are obliged to search a five year period free of charge. f.. Some offices have been lucky enough to compile their own computer data base and most offices have been computerising all current records since the mid nineties. g.. Marriages are the hardest to find as there are individual registers for each Anglican Church and each registered building where an ' authorised person ' has been appointed. At Cardiff they have the majority of their marriage records on a computer data base but most offices haven't yet. Cardiff have been compiling a yearly index for marriages irrespective of which Church the marriage took place at but this has only happened for about the last 10 years. h.. The reference taken from the GRO indexes is a national reference not a local one and means nothing to the individual register office; the quarter year is the only thing that helps them. ####################### Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html .

Graham I can't see a John Laviers on the 1851 Gla FHS cd, or any likely sp variation . There is this James Laviers below in 1861, may be a connection, he doesn't appear in 1881. I see the John L in 1881 doesn't have a wife with him, has a son James too. ############################## Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD4061 1861 CENSUS OF GARTH DISTRICT. REF.R.G.9/4061, E.D.27. Piece: 4061 Folio: 027 Schedule: 050 Address: PARK STREET 18 LAVIERS JAMES HD M 26 MINER PEM - (c1835) LAVIERS JANE WI M 25 - PEM - (c1836) LAVIERS MARGARET DA - 3 - - - (c1858) LAVIERS JOHN SO - 10M - - - (c1860) ######################## Gareth Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: RE:Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > > --1109946389452 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello Betty.Thankyou very much Indeed for all of the Information on the > LAV[I]ERS families.It was very kind of you. > As John LAV[I]ERS seems to be missing[AWOL]from Pembrokeshire in 1851,I > shall have to try around the Swansea area,as he may have defected to > Glamorganshire, much sooner than first thought?Ive got the 1851 for some > of Glam; > > It seems a possible Candidate for a Brother of John [Henry,also born in > Manobier]was also in the Bridgend area too. > John LAVIERS aged 48 in 1881 at Maesteg incidently was a "Coal Miner". > > In my original message,I did state that his Missus WAS'NT at home in > 1881.So I don't know where she was in 1881?I will have to have a looksee > on my computer discs > > for her. > > Thanks again Betty. > > Kind Regards,Graham > > Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. > Of Canton,Cardiff. > "If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 "BJ & LC Kirkwood" > <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> wrote: > > --1109946389452 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from gizmo03bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.13]) by > ics0035.ics.ntlworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); > Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:00:04 +0000 > Received: (qmail 28578 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO BWMAM16.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.114) > by gizmo03bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 > Received: from ess-p-144-134-71-39.mega.tmns.net.au ([144.134.71.39]) by > BWMAM16.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 264/10914787) with SMTP id 10914787; > Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59:59 +1000 > Message-ID: <000d01c52054$dc57a400$27478690@oemcomputer> > From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> > To: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au>, > <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> > References: <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com> > <77e4af07915224a645c08b47e3461887@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 > Return-Path: bjkirkwood@bigpond.com > > Dear Graham, > > Lavers, is, as Megan states, the spelling given in Pemb. records. > As your John Laviers would have been born at Manorbier around 1833, I > presume he is the son of Henry LAVERS and Margaret Upton who married at > Manorbier on 24/10/1829. In the 1813-37 marriages index there are five > male > Uptons who married....usually in the Narberth Hundred. It is possible > Margaret came from there.....I have not checked. > > The Upton name does not appear in the Castlemartin Hundred records (where > Manorbier records are to be found), but there are Lavers who married as > under: > > Alban Laver 1724/5 (Pwllcrochan); James 1761(Manorbier); James 1795 > (Manorbier); James 1798 (Pembroke St. Mary) and John 1762(Monkton); > > Ann 1800 (Cosheston); Elizabeth 1758 (Penally); Jane 1721(Pemb. St. > Mary); > Mary 1786 (Monkton); Sarah 1794 (Manorbier)...and there is one queried > entry Lavers? Elizabeth 1747 (Pemb. St. Mary). > > The Manorbier entries seem your best bet.....unfortunately I can not > supply > the names of brides and grooms, but the parish register entries could be > obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office.....if copies are purchased, > you > could possibly as well as finding partners, expand your horizons by seeing > who acted as marriage witnesses. > > There appear to be no Laver/Lavier wills in the St. David's Probate > index......but there may have been administrations. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > > >> Dear Graham >> >> I have family from Manorbier, so immediately took an interest. This >> sounds like an unusual name and when I used FamilySearch for the 1881 >> census, the only similar name was Lavers, as below. Tenby is very near >> Manorbier, so perhaps there is a connection: >> >> Martha LAVERS Head W Female 45 Tenby, Pembroke, >> Wales Laundress >> Margaret LAVERS Dau U Female 20 Tenby, Pembroke, >> Wales Milliner >> Thomas LAVERS Son U Male 15 Tenby, Pembroke, Wales Draper >> & Apprentice >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Source Information: >> Dwelling Lower Frog Street >> Census Place Tenby St Mary In Liberty, Pembroke, Wales >> Family History Library Film 1342303 >> Public Records Office Reference RG11 >> Piece / Folio 5409 / 71 >> Page Number 1 >> >> No sign of a John. What was his occupation >> >> >> On 04/03/2005, at 8:16 AM, <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John >> > LAVIERS aged 48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his >> > missus and kids,all born In Maesteg. >> > In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; >> > So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt >> > telling porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other >> > goodies still at home? >> > Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. >> > >> > Cheers Graham >> > > > --1109946389452-- > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > > >

Hi All Can any one help please I am still chasing the Jenkins family I have had some great help from people already but I can not seem to get very far with my welsh relatives I am looking for quite a lot. a Marriage for William Jenkins and Ann John about 1851? a birth for Willian Jenkins about 1830 in Mathry. where would the baptisum be held if they were Methodists i think that they might have been. Ann John says that she was born in Llanrhian 1830 I hope that some one can help. I have looked at the St Caths marriages but as I dont know where they were married it is a bit difficult Kind Regards Margaret

--1109947314712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pat.Thankyou very much too. It looks like you have found the family of our John LAVIERS in 1861. I will have to go and do a bit of "Mining"Myself now!Digging into the 1851 census for this neck of the woods. Thanks again. Kind Regards,Graham Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. Of Canton,Cardiff. "If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:50:21 +0000 Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> wrote: --1109947314712 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by ics0036.ics.ntlworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:51:40 +0000 Received: from pcubed.demon.co.uk ([158.152.239.56]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D7CGw-000JDt-8o; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:51:15 +0000 Message-ID: <NB4OHAANmFKCFwyG@pcubed.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:50:21 +0000 To: robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk Cc: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... In-Reply-To: <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 <+XJy1nmvNZbq3OjHpOed844pez> Return-Path: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk Hello Graham Can't find him in 1841 or 1851 at the moment. However here are two points to follow up:- 1) Marriage of John Laviers in the 3rd quarter of 1854 Bridgend district Ref 11a/582 (this is from FreeBMD site) This will give you his father's name and occupation. By the way you said you had him with his missus in 1881 - but the entry on the LDS CD shows hom as Marr but with only his children at home. Have you found a different entry on the actual Glam census? (Note: FreeBMD shows death Mary Laviers 1st quarter 1854 age 46 Bridgend district ref 11a/343) 2) Looking in 1861 there are two interesting families who could be ralated. Here are the two entries both in Merthyr Tydfil area Georgetown 43 Iron lane Henry Laviers HD M 58 Ironstone miner PEM Manorbier Margaret " WI M 51 PEM Lawrenny Thomas " SO U 21 PEM Penally George " SO 9 GLA Llangynog Garth 18 Park St James Laviers HD M 26 miner PEM Jane " WI M 25 Margaret " dau 3 John " son 10 mth Note: Henry Laviers married Margaret Upton in Manorbier on Oct 24 1829 That's all for now Pat In message <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com>, robert.wil liams438@ntlworld.co.uk writes >Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John LAVIERS aged >48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his missus and kids,all born >In >Maesteg. >In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; >So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt telling >porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other goodies still at >home? >Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. > >Cheers Graham > >Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. >Of Canton,Cardiff. >"If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell --1109947314712--

--1109946389452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Betty.Thankyou very much Indeed for all of the Information on the LAV[I]ERS families.It was very kind of you. As John LAV[I]ERS seems to be missing[AWOL]from Pembrokeshire in 1851,I shall have to try around the Swansea area,as he may have defected to Glamorganshire, much sooner than first thought?Ive got the 1851 for some of Glam; It seems a possible Candidate for a Brother of John [Henry,also born in Manobier]was also in the Bridgend area too. John LAVIERS aged 48 in 1881 at Maesteg incidently was a "Coal Miner". In my original message,I did state that his Missus WAS'NT at home in 1881.So I don't know where she was in 1881?I will have to have a looksee on my computer discs for her. Thanks again Betty. Kind Regards,Graham Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. Of Canton,Cardiff. "If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> wrote: --1109946389452 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from gizmo03bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.13]) by ics0035.ics.ntlworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:00:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 28578 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BWMAM16.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.114) by gizmo03bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from ess-p-144-134-71-39.mega.tmns.net.au ([144.134.71.39]) by BWMAM16.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 264/10914787) with SMTP id 10914787; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59:59 +1000 Message-ID: <000d01c52054$dc57a400$27478690@oemcomputer> From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <bjkirkwood@bigpond.com> To: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au>, <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> References: <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com> <77e4af07915224a645c08b47e3461887@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:25:13 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Return-Path: bjkirkwood@bigpond.com Dear Graham, Lavers, is, as Megan states, the spelling given in Pemb. records. As your John Laviers would have been born at Manorbier around 1833, I presume he is the son of Henry LAVERS and Margaret Upton who married at Manorbier on 24/10/1829. In the 1813-37 marriages index there are five male Uptons who married....usually in the Narberth Hundred. It is possible Margaret came from there.....I have not checked. The Upton name does not appear in the Castlemartin Hundred records (where Manorbier records are to be found), but there are Lavers who married as under: Alban Laver 1724/5 (Pwllcrochan); James 1761(Manorbier); James 1795 (Manorbier); James 1798 (Pembroke St. Mary) and John 1762(Monkton); Ann 1800 (Cosheston); Elizabeth 1758 (Penally); Jane 1721(Pemb. St. Mary); Mary 1786 (Monkton); Sarah 1794 (Manorbier)...and there is one queried entry Lavers? Elizabeth 1747 (Pemb. St. Mary). The Manorbier entries seem your best bet.....unfortunately I can not supply the names of brides and grooms, but the parish register entries could be obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office.....if copies are purchased, you could possibly as well as finding partners, expand your horizons by seeing who acted as marriage witnesses. There appear to be no Laver/Lavier wills in the St. David's Probate index......but there may have been administrations. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps@optusnet.com.au> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1851 lookup for LAVIERS please.... > Dear Graham > > I have family from Manorbier, so immediately took an interest. This > sounds like an unusual name and when I used FamilySearch for the 1881 > census, the only similar name was Lavers, as below. Tenby is very near > Manorbier, so perhaps there is a connection: > > Martha LAVERS Head W Female 45 Tenby, Pembroke, > Wales Laundress > Margaret LAVERS Dau U Female 20 Tenby, Pembroke, > Wales Milliner > Thomas LAVERS Son U Male 15 Tenby, Pembroke, Wales Draper > & Apprentice > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Source Information: > Dwelling Lower Frog Street > Census Place Tenby St Mary In Liberty, Pembroke, Wales > Family History Library Film 1342303 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 5409 / 71 > Page Number 1 > > No sign of a John. What was his occupation > > > On 04/03/2005, at 8:16 AM, <robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John > > LAVIERS aged 48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his > > missus and kids,all born In Maesteg. > > In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; > > So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt > > telling porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other > > goodies still at home? > > Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. > > > > Cheers Graham > --1109946389452--

Hello Graham Can't find him in 1841 or 1851 at the moment. However here are two points to follow up:- 1) Marriage of John Laviers in the 3rd quarter of 1854 Bridgend district Ref 11a/582 (this is from FreeBMD site) This will give you his father's name and occupation. By the way you said you had him with his missus in 1881 - but the entry on the LDS CD shows hom as Marr but with only his children at home. Have you found a different entry on the actual Glam census? (Note: FreeBMD shows death Mary Laviers 1st quarter 1854 age 46 Bridgend district ref 11a/343) 2) Looking in 1861 there are two interesting families who could be ralated. Here are the two entries both in Merthyr Tydfil area Georgetown 43 Iron lane Henry Laviers HD M 58 Ironstone miner PEM Manorbier Margaret " WI M 51 PEM Lawrenny Thomas " SO U 21 PEM Penally George " SO 9 GLA Llangynog Garth 18 Park St James Laviers HD M 26 miner PEM Jane " WI M 25 Margaret " dau 3 John " son 10 mth Note: Henry Laviers married Margaret Upton in Manorbier on Oct 24 1829 That's all for now Pat In message <06b725616210335ICS0037@ics0037.ics.ntlworld.com>, robert.wil liams438@ntlworld.co.uk writes >Hello all.For a pal of mine,I'm doing this surname.Ive got a John LAVIERS aged >48 in the 1881 census, at Maesteg Glamorgan,with his missus and kids,all born >In >Maesteg. >In this census,John LAVIERS birthplace is listed as Manobier Pembs; >So can SKS please hopefully find him in 1851 aged 18,[if he wasnt telling >porkies in 1881?]with hopefully,His parents, and any other goodies still at >home? >Diolch yn fawr,or Ta Muchly. > >Cheers Graham > >Graham Williams.Glam;FHS;#551. >Of Canton,Cardiff. >"If at first you don't succeed?Try,Try,and Try again!" > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell