Slate quarrying in Pembrokeshire [ continued-part 5 ] ########### 1861/71 By 1861 the slate industry was in decline in this locality, and the census records far fewer quarrymen and slate workers. There is at least one "Slater's wife" recorded as head, implying that her husband had moved away looking for work. Not all the sons were now tempted by the slate industry ; Robert Roberts , aged 18, son of Henry Roberts of Trevacoon, was shown as a "Mariner", not surprising in a part of Wales where a connection with the sea had always been important in people's lives. By 1871 the number of Llanrhian quarrymen recorded as having some connection with north Wales had further dwindled, the industry in north Wales was in good heart so perhaps some were tempted to return there. Two families were doing well enough out of the local slate industry, namely ; William Pritchard , of Cwmwdig Water, a native of Beddgelert, CAE, a "Slate Quarry Agent" ; and Thomas Williams, of Norma Terrace[?], a native of Bangor, CAE, and a "Slate Quarry Manager". [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 24 Jan 2001 D/P] ######### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Dear Endree, There is a Joseph JENKINS who married Ann PRICE 21 September 1824 St Martin Haverfordwest. The only other was Joseph JENKIN who married Jane DAVIDS 7 November 1826 Narberth. This covers the time period 1813-37. Regards, Elaine.

Maggie, I've tried to find your Thomas THOMAS et al but so far failed. I don't think he is in the census returns for Pembs. (which doesn't mean he wasn't around - I or the enumerators may have missed him or the record may be missing). If he was somewhere else, it would be *very* useful to have a date of birth, however approximate, given the vast number of TTs in the UK in 1881. Glyn Hatherall Ealing, London UK glyn@hatherall.org.uk scarrott@one-name.org ---------- > From: "Margaret Brennan" <M.M.Brennan@btinternet.com> > I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO LOOK UP THE 1881 CENSUS FOR LOWER TOWN FISHGUARD > PEMBROKESHIRE, I AM TRYING TO FIND A THOMAS THOMAS AND A MARGARET THOMAS NEE EVANS, > AND THEIR CHILDREN OF ONE IS THOMAS EVANS THOMAS HE WOULD BE AGED 9, AT > AROUND THIS TIME, SO IF ANY ONE WOULD, BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR ME I WOULD BE > GREATLY PLEASED, > MAGGIE >

Information sought re family of Thomas Gibbs Jenkins b 1833 Haverfordwest...parents were Joseph Marychurch Jenkins and Anne??? Thomas married Elizabeth Hart Richards at Walton West on 3/11/1860. Thomas came to Australia 1869 followed by Elizabeth & children. Happy to supply information about their children. Endree Ray Gt Gt Grandaughter.

I have an Amelia Thomas born 1822 in Pembroke to Thomas Thomas. Any connection? Shirley

HI CAN ANY ONE HELP, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO LOOK UP THE 1881 CENSUS FOR LOWER TOWN FISHGUARD PEMBROKESHIRE, I AM TRYING TO FIND A THOMAS THOMAS AND A MARGARET THOMAS NEE EVANS, AND THEIR CHILDREN OF ONE IS THOMAS EVANS THOMAS HE WOULD BE AGED 9, AT AROUND THIS TIME, SO IF ANY ONE WOULD, BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR ME I WOULD BE GREATLY PLEASED, MAGGIE

Slate Quarrying in Pembrokeshire [ continued- Pt 4] ########### Llanrhian - 1851 census examples of the north Wales link The 1851 return shows that there were many families and individuals living within the parish whose roots were in north Wales. Some , like Samuel Hughes, living at Abereiddi, aged 25 and born in Anglesey, had obviously arrived as single men and then married local women, and had all their children born locally. There was William Hughes, probably a brother to Samuel, also at Abereiddi, aged18, born in Llanrug, Caernarfonshire. With the Hughes family lodged 16 year old Henry Roberts born in the parish of Llanddeiniolen, Caernarfonshire[CAE], and already a slate quarryman. Some brought their families, William Hughes, labourer, aged 51, born in Llanddeiniol parish Anglesey, had brought his wife and two children with him ; Elinor Hughes, her daughter Elinor 10; son Richard 8; were all natives of Bethesda, CAE, and one wonders why this family left such a booming town in the 1840s. Some families showed complex preceding moves ; William Jones at Abereiddi was a slate quarryman born at Portsmouth, his wife and four of their children were natives of Llanllechid parish, CAE , but their eldest son William was born in Llanwrin parish , Montgomeryshire. Morris Jones, at Trefin, quarryman, was a native of Llandwrog, CAE, and he had brought with him his wife Jane and their five children, one born in CAE, three somewhere in Ireland, and the last at Trefin. The final group from north Wales consisted of those who had no obvious family links locally , but who chose to lodge with a family in the vicinity of the quarries. In Trefin lodged Hugh Grey Williams, 'Slater', aged 28, a native of CAE, and a young man aged 23, Price Roberts, again from CAE, whose career and life can be followed in Llanrhian for at least the next 40 years. [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 20 Jan 2001 D/P] ################### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Slate Quarrying in Pembrokeshire [ continued- Pt 3] ########## Llanrhian parish Richards wrote from an address at Cwm-yr-eglwys, Dinas Cross, near Fishguard, and delivered his opinions regarding the Trwynllwyd slate quarry, some miles south and west, near the village of Llanrhian. The letters between John Roberts and his brother [somewhere in Pembrokeshire] seem to suggest that the quarry being discussed was on the north western coast of the county. The quality of the slates was discussed and it should be noted that Pembrokeshire slate, because of its geological nature, is rather inferior to the older, harder, slate of north Wales. Inspection of the Enumerator's Schedules for the parish of Llanrhian, which contains the slate quarries of Trwynllwyd, Abereiddi and Porthgain reveals that there were a number of families and individuals from north Wales living within the parish and probably working at the quarries. The word probably is used because the occupations of the persons enumerated are a little confused being variously described as ; Slate Quarrymen ; Slate Quarry Man ; Labourer ; Slater ; Quarryboy ; or Slate Cutter. Censuses in north Wales show a definite 'Slate Quarryman' description without fail. In Llanrhian a 'Slater' may of course have been someone who put slates on roofs. The census of 1841 shows people in Llanrhian parish who were born outside the parish, one example of someone probably working at the quarry is ; At Trefin ; Evan Jones, aged 30, and his wife Mary, aged 30, with children Elizabeth 10, John 4, Evan 2 months. Mary and the children were natives of PEM but Evan was not. Was Evan perhaps one of the first persons from north Wales to work at the local quarries ? In 1841, only 7 'Slaters' and a 'Superintendent' worked at the Llanrhian quarries, but this was a time of rapid development with a soaring demand for roofing slates. By 1851 the following occupations were recorded ; Mineral Agent - 1 Quarryman/Slate Quarryman - 30 ; chiefly at Abereiddi Slater - 15 Tipper - 3 Miner - 2 Railway labourer - 5 Stone cutter - 1 Pump maker - 1 Horsekeeper - 1 Clerk - 1 [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 20 Jan 2001 D/P] ########### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Hi I've just joined the list and wonder if there is anyone out there that can help me. Both the 1841 and 1851 census show my GGGG Grandfather JOHN ROGERS (B Llanstadwell in 1760) as a publican. At the time of both these censuses the family were living in Neylands. How would I find out which pub JOHN ROGERS was the publican of? Also were records of those at sea during the taking of the 1851 census recorded anywhere? If so how could I access them? WILLIAM MAYNE PEPPERELL John's grandson (23 at the time of the census) was not at home and as he was a mariner I am assuming he was at sea. (though I do realise he could have been living elsewhere). TIA Deirdre Briscombe Dungog, NSW, Aust.

Slate Quarrying in Pembrokeshire[continued] ########### The evidence for a north west Wales link The port facilities at Porth-gain, between Fishguard and St Davids were constructed initially to deal with exports of slate from that area. The Maenclochog Railway, constructed in the southern foothills of the Preseli mountains was for the purpose of carrying away slates from the Rosebush quarry. However, most of the quarries were little more than scratchings on the surface of the land and worked only for a few months at a time when demand was high. Neither did the villages which depended, to varying degrees, on quarrying, really ever begin to compare with their counterparts in north west Wales. Porth-gain, Cilgerran and Rosebush were small by comparison with northern villages such as Rhosgadfan, Penmachno, or Aberllefenni. Whilst the slate industry in Pembrokeshire must have had some significance locally , evidence in the shape of formal archive sources is slim. Pem Archives holds very little such material, neither does the NLW. Snippets of information can be gleaned from local newspapers, notably the quaintly named Dewsland and Kemes Guardian, and from port books. The Museum of Welsh Life has an useful collection of taped interviews with former Pembrokeshire slate quarrymen.It also has documents containing extracts of correspondence, written in 1894, between John G.Roberts of Blaenau Ffestiniog, and his brother in Pembrokeshire. Apart from family matters, these letters embrace a slate quarry operated by the brother ; a letter of commendation relating to the Trwynllwyd quarry, prepared by a Robert Richards ; a memo regarding a quarry in Scotland ; again addressed to Robert Richards; a memo from a Haverfordwest slate merchant about slates produced by Robert Richards ; and finally, a price list relating to the Cilgwyn slate quarry Caernarfon. It was this apparent link to north west Wales which became the author's eventual main pre-occupation, and his findings which form the basis for this article. [The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 19 Jan 2001 D/P] ############### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Slate quarrying in Pembrokeshire. ########### There follows a series of comments/facts based on the article ; The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. What slate industry ? To most people "the Welsh slate industry" naturally implies north west Wales, within the former counties of Caernarfon and Merioneth. After all, in the period 1780 to date , these areas produced 80-90% of the UK's total output of roofing slate with quarries such as Penrhyn and Dinorwig producing at least 100,000 tons of finished roofing slates annually at their peak, and employing up to 3,500 men each. However, this obscures the fact that viable slate quarrying industries existed elsewhere in Wales, and for the purpose of this exercise, in north Pembrokeshire, namely, along the north facing coast of the county, in the Preselau mountains, along the border with Carmarthenshire, and in the Cilgerran area of the lower Teifi valley. Reference can be found to the existence , at various times, of about a hundred slate quarries in Pembrokeshire, and to a labour force totalling perhaps several hundred during the second half of the C19. [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 19 Jan 2001 D/P] ########## Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

I am delighted that Ray Morris has responded with such alacrity to my "hint" of only yesterday that "it would be nice to have more Pem items on the Book Introduction/contents section of my Help Page" by sending me such material on the following 3 books; <Old Saundersfoot from Monkstone to Marros by Roscoe Howells <The Story of Saundersfoot by Thomas G Stickings <A History of Quakers in Pembrokeshire by Stephen Griffith On http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks2.html Which is linked from the respective entries for the books concerned on the fast growing Pem Genuki page. Thanks a lot Ray. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

I'm beginning to see daylight with developing the Pem Genuki pages so, for a change of pace, have just extracted details of contents/Illustrations from the following books ; Pembrokeshire, by R M Lockley Pembrokeshire, by Brian John. These extracts are on http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks2.html It would be nice to have some more for Pem. My next trick will be to extract chunks [ for NEKT ] of the article " The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen" by Dafydd Roberts in the Llafur journal. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Thanks Elaine, yes I just got the direct email as well. I guess we just give up on this one , not the end of the world, I have put the Skokholm entry on the county page for Pem Genuki. I appreciate your help. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine barsosky" <eebarsosky@webtv.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Skokholm Island > Hi Gareth, > > I sent an e-mail message to you using an address of March 2000...not > sure if you got it so decided to use this route. > > My cousin has been ill, but went to his authoritative information which > told him that Skokholm has no longer a designated parish. It's > adjoining island, Skomer, has been designated to the parish of St > Martins, H/west, as you had found. Maybe this is why we've had no luck > in finding a parish for the isle. > > Regards, Elaine. > >

My great greatgrandmother was the landlady of a hotel in Llanstadwell in 1881. Her name was Jane Hart nee Hynes the widow of John Woolley Hart an accountant on the steam packet office, John died just before the 1881 census. Could someone please let me know whether there is any index of monumental inscriptions for this area and whether the Harts are buried there? What newspapers were available then and could I access them for funeral reports etc? If I can return the favour with Aussie research please ask. regards Jan

Could someone please let me know whether there is an index to the 1841/1851 censuses for Barns Lake and Burton. I am particularly interested in the Hart families. If I can return the favour with Aussie research please ask. regards Jan

Hi Gareth, I sent an e-mail message to you using an address of March 2000...not sure if you got it so decided to use this route. My cousin has been ill, but went to his authoritative information which told him that Skokholm has no longer a designated parish. It's adjoining island, Skomer, has been designated to the parish of St Martins, H/west, as you had found. Maybe this is why we've had no luck in finding a parish for the isle. Regards, Elaine.

Jan said <Could someone please let me know whether there is any index of monumental inscriptions for this area If there is it's likely to be listed on the Dyfed FHS web page http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm > What newspapers were available then and could I access them for funeral > reports etc? Check out the Pem Archives section of my Help Page, see below, under Archives, they have an email link. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Gluyas" <sticky@iweb.net.au> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Neyland and Llanstadwell > My great greatgrandmother was the landlady of a hotel in Llanstadwell in > 1881. Her name was Jane Hart nee Hynes the widow of John Woolley Hart an > accountant on the steam packet office, John died just before the 1881 > census. Could someone please let me know whether there is any index of > monumental inscriptions for this area and whether the Harts are buried > there? > What newspapers were available then and could I access them for funeral > reports etc? If I can return the favour with Aussie research please ask. > regards Jan > >

Dear lister, I am trying to find if the MORRIS family shown below are on the 1851 Census for Manordeifi. The 1881 Census shows:- Dwelling: Caregwen Census Place: Manerdivy, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342307 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5429 Folio 91 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David MORRIS M 74 M Manerdivy, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 9 Ac Of Land Anne MORRIS M 74 F Llandugwydd, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Wife Can sks help me? Many thanks. I now have the CD of the 1851 Census for Glamorgan and will be only too willing to search for listers. Kate

I assume this message won't get through to the Dyflist but some of you are also subbed there. The rootsweb server [Lists6] that Dyfed is on has been down since yesterday morning, they then said; ######## The mailing list server LISTS6 is currently out of service and being repaired. The repairs are taking longer than expected and we currently have no time for the completion of this work. Not even a best guess. ########### Just in case you thought you had all been unsubbed in the absence of any list mail. Still no news as to when it will be back I'm afraid. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html