All, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I was working on a CD for Pembrokeshire. For some who have enquired, it is intended to put parish histories, indexes etc onto it. It is also intended to put other items of interest pertaining to Pembrokeshire which will include information of the railways, Pembroke Dockyard, castles etc. I have been asked if I require any assistance in transcribing etc to which I say 'Yes Please'! The final format will be a concensus of those interested in seeing this project going ahead. It is my intention, as a member of the Dyfed FHS (2329) to offer it to the society for publication. I would like to 'dedicate' it to the late Peter Gibby, who has done so much for the genealogist in Pembrokeshire (besides numerous anonymous members). I will be getting in touch with Ted Hackett (or his successor) to discuss the matter. However, at this stage, if you have any transcription which you would like to see added to the CD for which there will be a full accreditation, please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Graham Davies Senior Technical Engineer (Systems), Area Upgrade Co-Ordinator, Honeywell Control Systems Limited, Aberdeen, Direct Line Dialing 01224 805024 Fax 01224 805080 e-mail: <graham.davies@honeywell.com>

I have for some time been searching for the death and burial of my great-great grandfather,DAVID OWEN,who was living at ST DOGMAELS on the 1841 and 1851 censuses,but not the 1861.There is also an indication that he was building ships in CARDIGAN until 1858,so that it appears that he may have died between 1858 and 1861.The death indexes at that time are full of DAVID OWENS dying but wiith no ages showing until 1866,which makes it an expensive task.There is no trace of a will. Any help would be much appreciated. Kind Regards, Tom Morgan

Hi Anthony & Graham, Just for the record, there was Orielton Mill where my grandfather grew up, he having been born at Orielton Lodge on 1st April,1853. I would much appreciate the address of the Orielton School as my Gt. Aunt Gt. Gran & GtGt Gran in the area were listed as teachers. There may be old records - I hope ! John Richards. (London UK) Searching RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs) DFHS 2715 DAY, (North Surrey). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Davies" <graham_davies10@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Orielton > Anthony, > There was never a village of Orielton! > The nearest village was Hundleston with both named places in the parish of > Monkton. > I think there is still a school called Orielton. > Regards > Graham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony" <Anthony_7@btinternet.com> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:45 PM > Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Orielton > > > > Hi - I am new to this list and am looking for help with information about > the village of Orielton. I understand there is still a school called > Orielton school and Orielton House - but the village itself has disappeared > or been renamed. > > > > My ggGrandfather (Levi JENKINS) was believed to have been brought up in > the village - the family were Calvanistic Methodists and moved to Nantymoel > where they founded a new Chapel in Dinham Street. > > > > Any help/advice greatly appreciated > > > > Anthony Jenkins :-) > > > > Any help greatly appreciated > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17/01/01

Does sks have access to the 1851 Census for Monardeifi? I am looking for the family of David MORRIS. Thanks, Kate

Hi Anthony Orielton is/was in Monkton parish. Have a look at the Genuki page, also some stuff on the Not everyone knows this.. pages . http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/HelpPage~pearlsPEM.html Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message -----

Hi Anthony This is the second time Orielton has croped up this month. There was no village at Orielton. Orielton was a large estate a few miles south of Pembroke and Orielton House is now the Orielton Field Centre. I dont know of Orielton School but the school for the nearby village of Hundleton is not a mile from the house. So lots of people will have been born or died at Orielton as there were many homes for workers on the estste and some seem to have been rented out to others as workers from the dockyard in Pembroke Dock occupy some in 1881 census. Regards David Roderick

I am looking for any details of WILLIAM REECE JONES, his ancestors and descendants. He was born in Haverford West in 1836.At the time of the 1881 census he was serving as a gunner in Royal Marine Artillery Barracks, Eastney. Hants. At that time the family consisted of ; Emma his wife aged 33 Francis William aged 12 George Charles aged 10 Charles Arthur aged 8 Jessie Kate aged 4 Elizabeeth Annie aged2 William Reece aged 3monaths I am particularly interested in the maiden name of his wife and their date of marriage. Also in Elizabeth Annie who married someone called LEWIS, I don't know when or what his Christian names were, but at the time of the 1935 Electoral roll was living at Abbots Ann, Elm Road, Earley, with her three daughters

Anthony, There was never a village of Orielton! The nearest village was Hundleston with both named places in the parish of Monkton. I think there is still a school called Orielton. Regards Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" <Anthony_7@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Orielton > Hi - I am new to this list and am looking for help with information about the village of Orielton. I understand there is still a school called Orielton school and Orielton House - but the village itself has disappeared or been renamed. > > My ggGrandfather (Levi JENKINS) was believed to have been brought up in the village - the family were Calvanistic Methodists and moved to Nantymoel where they founded a new Chapel in Dinham Street. > > Any help/advice greatly appreciated > > Anthony Jenkins :-) > > Any help greatly appreciated > >

Hi - I am new to this list and am looking for help with information about the village of Orielton. I understand there is still a school called Orielton school and Orielton House - but the village itself has disappeared or been renamed. My ggGrandfather (Levi JENKINS) was believed to have been brought up in the village - the family were Calvanistic Methodists and moved to Nantymoel where they founded a new Chapel in Dinham Street. Any help/advice greatly appreciated Anthony Jenkins :-) Any help greatly appreciated

I have a record of Martha Thomas born, circa 1816. She married John MORRIS on April 25, 1835 at Carew, Pembrokeshire. John MORRIS was a tailor. I had thought their son, James MORRIS was a direct ancestor, but have discovered this MORRIS family is not our direct line, but they must be related as our James MORRIS was born at their address. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Brennan" <M.M.Brennan@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] THOMAS FAMILY > Have anyone got these name in there Thomas line, > Thomas Thomas born fishguard married Margaret Evans born fishguard children > Thomas Evans Thomas born fishguard > Martha Thomas born Ferndale > Margaret Ann Thomas born Ferndale > James Thomas born Ferndale > David john Thomas born Ferndale. > are any of these people your relations. > >

Have anyone got these name in there Thomas line, Thomas Thomas born fishguard married Margaret Evans born fishguard children Thomas Evans Thomas born fishguard Martha Thomas born Ferndale Margaret Ann Thomas born Ferndale James Thomas born Ferndale David john Thomas born Ferndale. are any of these people your relations.

I think I overlooked mentioning the latest contributions to the Welsh History Books Review/Contents page. Ray Morris sent in another one ; <Welsh Chapels ; By Anthony Jones ; Alan Sutton Publishing Ltd (Stroud, Gloucestershire) in association with the National Museums & Galleries of Wales Original published 1984 revised edition 1996 Katy Jenkins sent me two ; <The Carmarthen Antiquary. VOLUME 2 , PARTS 1 & 2 , 1945 & 1946 and <The Carmarthenshire Historian VOLUME XI , 1974 The contents listings are really very interesting in themselves, well worth a look, on http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks2.html Many thanks to both Ray and Katy. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Fwd for Kim Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Bewick" <kim.bewick@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: School Photographs Website-Update Hello Sorry to bother you again, but would you mind forwarding the following message to your list? Many Thanks Kim Bewick >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone Just a quick mail (hopefully) to let you all know of a few changes to the Schools Photographs site. As of today the site has a new name, due to the amount of interest in incorporating other information into the site. It will now be called the UK Schools Interests Site though the URL will not be changing and the main aim of this site will still be collection photographs (of which there are now more than 800). The Look Ups, Requests and Reunions pages are now housed in the UK Schools History Group section of the site (easily accessible from the entrance page). I would ask that you all take a very brief look at the site to see if you have any information that could be included or if you are able to offer any assistance to anyone who is enquiring about schools which may be in your area. There is also a mailing list which is for open for anyone to join with an interest in Schools in the UK. Possibly the most important alteration is the time it now takes to download the images on ! the site. It has been reduced drastically as all photographs have now been altered to thumbnails. This also means that it is now possible to view a larger image than before on most pictures (invaluable especially on photographs of the pupils). Once again though, thank you to everyone for your continued support for this site and the amount of emails I am receiving from people who have found something of interest is wonderful. Kind Regards Kim Bewick www.schoolphotos.f2s.com Listowner for UK-SCHOOLS-L@rootsweb.com To subscribe to the schools list simply send an email to: UK-SCHOOLS-L-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" in the body of the mail.

Slate quarrying in Pembrokeshire[final part] ########## Competition, industrial unrest and the end of an era Links between north-west and south-west Wales, even in the C19 , were by no means as tenuous as some commentators would like to suppose. Those who earned their living on the sailing vessels which traded at the creeks and harbours of Cardigan Bay were quite familiar with the slate ports of north-west Wales, the coal exporting harbours of Pembrokeshire, and the herring fleets of Aber-porth and Nefyn. But to find men from north-west Wales settling in Pembrokeshire is another matter, and one wonders what their linguistic, religious or political impact might have been. Precious little evidence is available to permit a discussion on this although one theme may be looked at, namely that of industrial unrest in the Llanrhian district quarries. It should be remembered that the North Wales Quarrymen's Union was in existence from 1874 and well established in Gwynedd by the late 1870s. Consequently it can be supposed that these men from north Wales might have brought with them at least a smattering of interest in Union matters since the only known instances of quarrymen protesting against owners in the coastal belt quarries of Pembrokeshire took place in Llanrhian. Discontent surfaced at Tre-fin in January 1878, monthly wages had not been paid at the three nearby quarries in the previous two months and the men, not unreasonably, became worried. Local shopkeepers complained at the amount of money owed to them by quarrymen's families. The quarrymen had a meeting in that January and resolved to cease work until arrears of wages were paid. The quarries remained at a standstill for several weeks, attempts at reconciliation continued, a few men were persuaded to return to work. John Fraser, manager, of the St Brides Quarries proved particularly "unhelpful" in his responses. There was much distress in the area, some men moved elsewhere for work, more returned to work. But in March 1879 the men were suddenly locked out by the owners and dismissed without explanation. Somehow matters were resolved in late March when the men were paid one of the four months outstanding wages. The problems which led to the suspension of the men at the Trwyn-llwyd, Abereiddi and Porthgain quarries were the same as those that sent so many men from the Gwynedd quarries across the Atlantic to seek employment in the quarries in the USA, namely the sudden drop in demand for Welsh roofing-slates. By the early C20, most Pembrokeshire quarries had closed, after giving up against the intense competition from Gwynedd quarries. Meanwhile, the local labour force, with some northern families amongst them, were forced to look elsewhere for work, as their industry became little more than a folk memory in the quiet villages of south-west Wales. [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 27 Jan 2001 D/P] ########### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Hi, Can anyone please help me locate Rally Back Cottage Monkton Pembroke Wales which, in 1881, was the address of my (probable) Great Aunt Jane Roblin (nee RICHARDS). John Richards. (London UK) Searching RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs) DFHS 2715 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17/01/01

Good morning, It has been suggested that my great aunt Jane Richards (b1851 Monkton) and listed in 1871 as a school teacher may have married a William ROBLIN (pre 1881), a labourer at HM Dockyard, Pembroke. Is anyone researching or interested in that name? John Richards. (London UK) Searching RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs) DFHS 2715 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17/01/01

I am a new list member and my name interests are GOLDING - and variations..GOULDING, GOLDON etc. Also LAVINE - and variations...LAVIN, LEVINE etc. I am initially looking at 1900 - 1910 and looking for relatives in Pembroke Dock. Will be glad to hear from anyone with similar interests. Henry Oddie, Horsham, West Sussex -- 'E-mail is a lifestyle that impacts the way we work and think.' Nicholas NEGROPONTE 1995

Does anyone know, if you lived in lowertown fishgaurd in 1872 what church would you be baptised in? Maggie

Hi I am searching the Evans and Thomas families from lowertown fishguard, my ggggrandparent was from lowertown fishguard, they was Thomas Thomas who married a Margaret Evan's,they had a son Thomas Evan's Thomas, they was married in the 1870,s,does any one have these people in there family? Maggie

Slate quarrying in Pembrokeshire [continued - part 6] ########### Difficult times The late 1870s were to prove a difficult time for the slate industry in Wales as a whole, and there followed in the early 1880s significant emigration from north Wales, especially, to the slate belt of the USA. But the 1881 census shows that there were still significant numbers of north Welsh quarrymen living and working in Llanrhian parish. Some of the names are by now familiar, having appeared in the 1861/71 censuses.Almost all had now married local women and seen their children born and brought up in Pembrokeshire. Significantly too, there were no longer unmarried young men from north Wales living in the parish and lodging with local families. Llanrhian was obviously no longer a focus or attraction for these. The area though had proved an attraction for the Rev Richard Rowlands, aged 32, born CAE, along with his wife Laura, a native of Llanberis, CAE, but who now lived in Park Court, Tre-fin. Price Roberts and family: Price Roberts, "Slater" from CAE, was noted in the 1851 census, an unmarried lodger in Tre-fin village. From the census and parish registers his subsequent life can be portrayed. He succeeded in attracting the attention of a young local woman, Lettice Thomas, of Tre-fin, who on 3 Nov 1853, whilst they were still unmarried, bore him a son, William. Price must have acknowledged his obligations even at this point though as Jacob Hughes, vicar of the parish, broke his usual practice in the case of bastard children, namely entering either a christian name only, or coupling the child's name with its mother's surname, by entering Lettice's child as William Roberts. The couple must have soon married and by Oct 1855 had another son, John. The 1861 census shows no further children, the two sons shown as "scholars", with the family living with John Thomas, Lettice's father, a widower who farmed 6 acres of land near Tre-fin. By 1871 , although John Thomas was still alive, his place as "head" was tak en by Price Roberts . William and John no longer appeared on the census suggesting they had moved away for work, but the family had a young daughter, Martha, aged 1 year. Martha Roberts, aged 11, and her sister Margaret, aged 6, appear on the 1881 census too. By this time their father is a "Stone Quarry Manager" and their rising status is reflected by the fact that they now employ Anne Harries, a local girl, as a maid servant. No further records were available for the family. [Based on The Pembrokeshire Slate Quarrymen by Dafydd Roberts, in Llafur [Journal of Welsh Labour History] Vol 5/1, 1988. Gareth, 24 Jan 2001 D/P] ######## Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html