Hi all! Thought we might like to have our voices heard. Easy enough survey to complete and with anonymity. Was in a Rootsweb newsletter. Thought my friends interested in genealogy might be interested! Always, Dawn Perry-Taft FULLERTON GENEALOGY STUDY. Help us understand the growing interest in genealogy by participating in the Fullerton Genealogy Study. See our Web-based survey at: http://psych.fullerton.edu/genealogy/ If you have any questions, please contact Pamela J. Drake at California State University, Fullerton at (714) 278-7052 or at genealogy_study@hotmail.com

I need help on my Gwynn Line. It has been passed down through the family by word of mouth that the original Gwynn in my line left Wales in the early 1600's (having to leave the Country quickly), and came to the Baltimore area in the America. However, I have only been able to establish that William Gwynn b. 1749 arrived in York County Pennsylvania about 1772 having emigrated from Ireland. He was an iron master and either owned or operated the Mary Ann Furnace, a blast furnace. He had no children. About 1775, his brother John Gwynn b. 1748 emigrated from Ireland to Fredrick County area of Maryland. He had a wife (unknown) and two children Ann b. ? and William b. 1775, both in Ireland. He had five more children in America, one being Elizabeth who married her cousin Robert Gwynn b.about 1774 in Great Britain and d. 22 August 1805 at sea. Being Elizabeth's cousin, it is probable the John and William had a brother. I have not been able to establish and connection in Ireland or Wales beyond the above. It could be that the original Gwynn went to Ireland instead of Baltimore. However, I received an article on the Kidwelly Tin Works (1737 to 1798) wherein Charles Gwynn, Anthony Rogers, Mary Gwynn, Leonard Bilson Gwynn, Robert Morgan, Catherine Middleton Gwynn, Lieu. General Francis Gwynn and William Gwynn of Kent were related and/or involved with the Tin Works or the iron works, blast-furnaces and forges at Carmarthen, Whitland and Cwydwyfran. The thought crossed my mind that this might be where my William Gwynn received his training as an iron master. Any ideas you might have would be appreciated. I'm going to post this message on the Cardignanshire, Monmouthshire, Dyfed and Pembrokeshire Lists as well, so you might run into it again, but please give it some attention and respond if you have any ideas for me. Thank you very much, John Gwynn San Francisco, California

Elida As the "Holloway" email was originally sent by me... PRs = Parish Registers Jon

on 20/3/01 8:40 pm, Elida at elida@signature.cc wrote: > I know we're all using the English language, but sometimes I can'r make head > or tail out of some of these Welsh list postings - > > Will someone be kind enough to explain what these letters are abbreviations > for? > > PR in reference to an author > > OS in reference to a map > > SS in reference to a road > > SN in reference to a road > > Thanks, > Elida in South Carolina, USA Hi Elida Not knowing the context I'm unable to help you about the PR reference. OS is the acronym for Ordnance Survey who are the principal mappers of the United Kingdom. Started as part of the British army, over 200 years ago I think, hence the reference to ordnance. The whole of the United Kingdom is covered by a grid (on maps) which splits the country into 100 kilometre squares, and each square has a 2 letter prefix. Two small parts of south Pembrokeshire have the prefix SR and SS and the rest of Pembrokeshire is in parts of the 100 km squares designated SM and SN. The rest of Wales is covered by 100 km squares designated SH, ST, SO and SJ. England and Scotland have 100 km squares with other prefixes (I live in the SU square). The six figures following the prefix enable the map reader to pin-point any place down to the south west corner of a 100 metre square. With a larger scale map one could even have an eight figure reference which would be the corner of a 10 metre square. The first 3 figures of the six are known as the "easting" and the last 3 as the "northing". See any OS map for the full explanation on how to use the referencing system. Gerry Lewis

on 19/3/01 11:39 pm, Margaret Brennan at M.M.Brennan@btinternet.com wrote: > Hi, could anybody possibly tell me if there is any sites for ships from > fishguard in the year 1891. > Maggie > > Hi maggie I have a database of the 1891 census for north west Pembrokeshire (it does not include Haverfordwest). There are ships in Fishguard harbour, Porthgain harbour and at Haverfordwest Quay. Let me kow the names you are seeking and I'll check. Gerry Lewis

I know we're all using the English language, but sometimes I can'r make head or tail out of some of these Welsh list postings - Will someone be kind enough to explain what these letters are abbreviations for? PR in reference to an author OS in reference to a map SS in reference to a road SN in reference to a road Thanks, Elida in South Carolina, USA

on 19/3/01 11:13 am, Jonmein@aol.com at Jonmein@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know of the above in Pembrokeshire. > > The context relates to Elizabeth NASH (married name COLE) b.1818 approx. All > indications point towards her being born in Begelly apart from the 1871 > Census return which shows "Holloway". I cannot find her birth recorded in > Begelly's PRs. > > Various of her brothers/sisters were born in Manorbier/Penally. I cannot > locate Holloway on the OS map. > > TIA > > Jon Hi Jon There is a Holloway Hill in Penally, according to my street map of the area. Translating that into OS references - it starts at the eastern end at SS 116999. The street map finishes at SN 110995, the road continuing westwards and becoming The Ridgeway according to the OS 25,000:1 map. I think Holloway becomes the Ridgeway at about this point because it changes from being a hollow way (get it? - a way cut into the side of a hill) to a ridge way about here. Gerry Lewis new lister, also a subscriber to the Dyfed list

Hi, could anybody possibly tell me if there is any sites for ships from fishguard in the year 1891. Maggie

I have scanned in the Pembrokeshire county pages from Samuel Lewis's Topographical Dictionary Of Wales 1833. Its a bulky 114 kb, on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM//Lewis1833.html Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

There is a place in Haverfordwest called the Holloway cheers Tony Rogers

Hi Does anyone know of the above in Pembrokeshire. The context relates to Elizabeth NASH (married name COLE) b.1818 approx. All indications point towards her being born in Begelly apart from the 1871 Census return which shows "Holloway". I cannot find her birth recorded in Begelly's PRs. Various of her brothers/sisters were born in Manorbier/Penally. I cannot locate Holloway on the OS map. TIA Jon

Searching for any information on William Owen/s living in Hubberston, Pembrokeshire in 1841. Anything would be appreciated. Angela 1841 CENSUS OF HUBBERSTON Owens Elizabeth W 36 Ind Yes Owens James S 18 App Sailmaker Yes Owens William S 15 App Sailmaker Yes Owens Clementina S 10 Owens Benjamin S 8 Owens Alfred S 2

Hi Sally I'll also reply on JB's behalf as he is away for a few days. > "the Rawlin's book" - which is that? The Parish Churches and Nonconformist Chapels of Wales[Their Records and Where to find them]. VOl 1, Cardigan, Carmarthen, Pembroke. It is out of print. > "Dyfed FHs " - what does this mean? Dyfed Family History Society. Their web site on http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm > "the Streetmaps website" - do you have the url? http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > "Dyfed List" - do you have the address? On my Help Page, under Mailing Lists > this area being in Carmarthenshire - does that mean this Pembrokeshire > list won't be helpful to me, or are they so close that they overlap with > info? The Dyfed list covers all three old Dyfed counties. There is also a separate Carmarthenshire list. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Steele" <sally.steele@ashland.k12.or.us> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Rhydwilym

Gareth, Ron, Elaine, et al: My brief stay at this site has given me great directions, and I thank you each. I'll follow your advice and subscribe to the Dyfed list. Sally > I'll also reply on JB's behalf as he is away for a few days.

As long as you keep your sense of humour, Hazel :-) Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "trev-hazel" <trev-hazel@supanet.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] third time lucky > Gareth - thank you, I'm about to change my light bulb for a brighter wattage! > > Hazel > >

Greetings to PEMBROKESHIRE listers I have been reading the Pembrokeshire list for a while and so I thought that I would like to add the families which my wife and I are researching. My roots are deep in Sussex but Gaynor, my wife, was born in Tenby and all of her family, except for two gt grandmothers from Carmarthenshire, are from the parishes of Amroth, St Issells, Begelly and Tenby. On one side of her family are DAVIES who were builders in Tenby together with JOHNs, PROUTs and WATERS from Amroth and St Issells and on the other side ORMONDs from Begelly and Tenby and THOMASs from Pembrey. I would be very pleased to hear from any one who is researching these families and I am would be enjoy sharing any information which we have found. Best wishes Ted White Burlington, Ontario, Canada <tedwht@bigfoot.com> Researching: Sussex WHITE (Lyminster and Bramber), MERRIOTT, GREET, CHANDLER, MOCKFORD, ADAMS, CHEAL, HEATHER, GUMBRELL Pembrokeshire: DAVIES, PROUT, ORMOND, JOHN, WATERS and others

Gareth - thank you, I'm about to change my light bulb for a brighter wattage! Hazel

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Hi Rosalie, Not Pembs material, but prob. relevant to your family research. I found the article that mentions Sir Charles Wathen in Bristol but as it contains graphics and my server is having undersea cable problems I can't send it. The firm is Bristol Uniforms which is in Wathen Street, Staple Hill (phone no.79563101). Founded in 1801 it used to be Gardiners Clothing Co., then Wathen Gardiner, & the same family still owns, it but its now the HILL branch. Sir Charles part owned it for 25 years & had a ceremonial glove that he wore in 1895 that was presented to the Lord Mayor in a visit to the factory in June 1996. That's the jist of the article.Hope it helps. Cheerio, Peggy.

Hi Sally To add a little to what John said. From the Rawlin's book; Rhydwilym Baptist Church was embodied as a regular church in 1667 and was the mother of all the Baptist chapels in Pem, western CMN a most of southern CGN. The chapel was first built in 1701. The memorial inscriptions index produced by the Dyfed FHs are available for lookups on the Lookup Exchange. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] location > Sally Steele <sally.steele@ashland.k12.or.us> wrote: > Does anyone know the location for a town (VERY small I understand) of > Rhydwilym? This is listed as the town of origin for my ancestor who came > to the U.S. in 1711, and for the birthplace of his father in 1638, > although spelled Riddillyn on histories here. > ================ > > Hi Sally, > > Rhydwilym is the name of a chapel (and the area immediately round it) in > the parish of Llandysilio, Carmarthenshire. It certainly cannot in any > way be described as a town - not even a very small town! > > The chapel is at grid reference SN114248. It is located about 6 miles > north of the town of Narberth (Pembrokeshire). > > Go to the Streetmaps website, select "Landranger grid" and type SN114248 > into the search field. A detailed map will be displayed centred on the > chosen coordinates. Rhydwilym Chapel is not identified by name, but is > marked by a small black cross " + ". > > I believe Robert Hemphil, a regular Dyfed List contributer, has > researched this area quite extensively. Unfortunately, I don't have a > note of his e-mail address. > > Best wishes, > > John > ---------------------------------- > John Ball, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sally Steele" <sally.steele@ashland.k12.or.us> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:03 PM > Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] location > > > Does anyone know the location for a town (VERY small I understand) of > Rhydwilym? > This is listed as the town of origin for my ancestor who came to the > U.S. in > 1711, and for the birthplace of his father in 1638, although spelled > Riddillyn on histories here. > Sally > > > > > > --- > This message is certified virus-free by AVG > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 07/03/2001 > >