Hello listers, I've found some information about my Welsh ancestors on the World Connect Rootsweb Gedcom site: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi Just remember, some of the info in these Gedcoms may have errors, so one needs to check out the data with a firm source. That site used in conjunction with the free searches in www.ancestry.com and the free www.familysearch.org may open up new worlds of possibilities! However, these last two may contain misinformation also. Good luck, Elida in South Carolina, USA

John, Great photographs! Great links! Nice job! But tell me, I tried the Wales news link from your homepage, but could not hear the Wales BBC news - what format do I need? I have Windows Media Player and Quick Time. Must I have Real Player or something else? Thanks, Elida in South Carolina, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Broad Haven, PEM > Hi Everyone, > > Listers may be interested to know I've recently uploaded a new set of > "Images of Wales" photographs onto my website, featuring the > Pembrokeshire coastal village of Broad Haven in the parish of Walton > West. The webpage includes pictures of the Hephzibah Baptist Chapel and > its graveyard. > > Select "Images of Wales, Main Feature" from the "Short Cuts" link at the > top of my WFHA homepage at the URL below. > > Enjoy!! :o) > > Best wishes, > > John > ---------------------------------- > John Ball, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Welsh Family History Archive: > http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > > > --- > This message is certified virus-free by AVG > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 07/03/2001 >

For those of us who are not native to Wales, could someone explain the significance of having several counties grouped together into areas like Dyfed? Powys is another one. Why the grouping? Do they share the same government officials or schools or what? Thanks, Elida in South Carolina, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <W/gen@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Lookup Exchange > Just thought I'd mention that there are now quite a few lookup entries > across the Dyfed counties where the volunteer has withdrawn for personal > reasons. > Please have a look to see if you could fill the breach on any particular > item. > Thanks > > Gareth > List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. > Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html > Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html > >

Dear Shirley, I've looked at the Pembs. 1813-37 marriages. Gwen is a feminine name, I believe, short for Gwenllian as we have an Aunt Gwen in our family. Do you have any idea where in Pembrokeshire your ancestor lived? Take another look at that Marriage Cert. for his father's name. Regards, Elaine.

Can anyone give me any information on the Hamlet of Star in the Parish of Clydau, please? Does anyone know the name of the local parish church? My Sarah James gives Star as her place of birth around 1820. Sarah's father's name was Dan James a Cabinetmaker. Thanks Heather in Yorkshire

I'm helping out a neighbor who is not online and hoping someone might have some information about her ancestor, Benjamin James, who lived in Haverfordwest. She knows he was a pilot during World War I and crashed his plane about 1918. She has not had any success in finding any of his military records or connecting him to any of the many James families who lived in that area. The SART website was a bit confusing. She is planning a trip to Wales and England this summer. Where would the records of WWI aviators be kept? Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. R.L.Steinacker

> From: "Kate Brookfield" <kbrookfi@sympatico.ca> > Where does one look to find out who was living at a particular address in a > certain year? > I have a Bible of an ancestor with a name and address in Neath, date, 1924. > I would love to know more about this person and who she was living with at > the time she wrote her name and address in this Bible. The electoral register for that year should list people at the address entitled to vote. The name of the householder, and sometimes also that of the spouse, can often be found in street directories, e.g. Kelly's. Glyn Hatherall Ealing, London UK glyn@hatherall.org.uk scarrott@one-name.org

And again :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Morris" <Lynda.Morris@tesco.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: James family > Sorry, can I update you on the e. I have just sent asking for any info. > about James and Jane James of Pemb. > > I now have a note of their deaths in Penarth - the gravestones indicate that > Jane could have been born in 1833 > and James could have been born in 1821. > > the oldest son - James - is consistent - his dob is 1856/57! > > Sorry about this! > > Lynda > Somerset > >

Fwd for Lynda who has used the wrong address Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Morris" <Lynda.Morris@tesco.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:21 PM > I wonder if anyone living in the area would know of, or be able to look up > my grandfather's family. > > In the 1871 Census James James was listed as 43 (i.e. born 1828) at > Whitchurch, Pembs. > > In the 1881 Census James James was listed as 58 (i.e. born 1823) at > Llanhowel, Pembs. I have looked up Llanhowel, which seems to be close to St. > David's, perhaps a small hamlet, and maybe he was a farm labourer? > > It is easy to confuse a 3 for an 8 and v.v. > > Jane James his wife was born in 1836 (consistent on both the 81 and 71 c.) > She was born at St. David's, Pem. > > In 1871 Census the eldest son (but there may have been others who have moved > away) was 14 (i.e. born c. 1857) at Solva, Pems. (There is a query by Solva > so it may be a similar place, but definitely Pembs.). The next child was > born in 1859 in Cardiff, as were all subsequent children. The family stayed > in Cardiff/Penarth. > > If anyone is researching amongst those records and comes across the names > and dates which match, I should be so grateful to know. I know James is not > exactly unusual! Maybe I will have to have a holiday around St. David's - > something I have been longing to do for years! > > Also, out of interest, I would expect my ggrandparents to have spoken Welsh, > but my grandmother always said my grandfather (born when the family had > moved to Cardiff) also spoke Welsh until he was 18. At the age of 90 he > could remember nothing. Would the family have spoken Welsh at home, even > though living in Cardiff and, presumably, going to English speaking schools? > Was there much Welsh spoken in South Wales/Cardiff, and when did English > take over and virtually wipe out the language? Or - was my grandmother > "romanticising" - just thinking of her in-laws, the generation above? > > If anything comes back in answer to this I shall be so very, very grateful - > and delighted - and surprised!!!! > > Lynda > Somerset. > > (Note: my mother said I was Lynda because it meant "beautiful river" in > Welsh. Was she romanticising too?!) > > >

My response on the Dyfed list. <Hi Chris There are some books about Skomer, and the last man to farm it, mentioned on the Genuki page http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Haverfordwest/StMartin/ Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChrisDix1@aol.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Vaughan Palmer DAVIES of Skomer Island > Hello everyone > > My g-grandmother, Jane BOWEN, was born in Marloes, Pembrokeshire, in 1853. > Whilst searching for her in the 1871 census I discovered her and her parents, > Thomas and Martha BOWEN, living on Skomer Island and employed by Vaughan > Palmer DAVIES. > > I wondered if anyone could tell me anything about Mr DAVIES and his farm on > Skomer. > > Any info would be much appreciated. > > Chris Dixon > Newcastle upon Tyne, UK > >

Hello, This is my first e-mail requesting any information in Pembrokeshire. Benjamin was my g grandfather who was born in Pembroke in approximately 1836. He married Hannah ANDREWS in Cardiff on 10 December 1864. On the marriage certificate it states that Gwen NICHOLAS was his father and was decased. I have no further information on address etc. i would be very grateful for any information on my ancestors. Maybe the family would have been on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census'. Please can anyone help, I'm on a dead end at present with this family. Many thanks for any help. Regards Shirley

Hello everyone My g-grandmother, Jane BOWEN, was born in Marloes, Pembrokeshire, in 1853. Whilst searching for her in the 1871 census I discovered her and her parents, Thomas and Martha BOWEN, living on Skomer Island and employed by Vaughan Palmer DAVIES. I wondered if anyone could tell me anything about Mr DAVIES and his farm on Skomer. Any info would be much appreciated. Chris Dixon Newcastle upon Tyne, UK

Do you have access to electoral rolls? They would give you this information. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Kate Brookfield <kbrookfi@sympatico.ca> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Re: finding who is living at an address in a particular year. > Where does one look to find out who was living at a particular address in a > certain year? > > I have a Bible of an ancestor with a name and address in Neath, date, 1924. > I would love to know more about this person and who she was living with at > the time she wrote her name and address in this Bible. > > Kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve.nick" <steve.nick@ntlworld.com> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:37 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Help Please -2 CASTLE TERRACE MILFORD HAVEN > 1906 > > > > List, > > > > Can someone help find out who was living at in the year 1906; > > 2 Castle Street > > North Road > > Milford Haven > > > > Thanks > > Steve Nicholas > > > > Researching: > > Nicholas - Caerphilly and Bedwas > > Cross - Llanishen, Lisvane > > Lawson, Atkins, Farnham - Glamorgan > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.nick/index.htm > > > > ______________________________

Would the electoral rolls be in a local library or at the PRO? As I am in Canada, I do not have access to electoral rolls in the UK. But I would like to know if electoral rolls are accessible and where one looks for them. Kate > Do you have access to electoral rolls? They would give you this > information. > Valerie >

Hello Ann, With regard to the surname Parmee. You should probably post this to the Herefordshire list. A family were connected to the railway in Kington by the surname Parmee. There is a living descendant in Pontygwaith, Rhondda Cynon Taff. I know that some research has been done on the Parmee's, and perhaps this man can help you. Write to me privately, and I can give you his address. Best wishes, Maureen Jenkins Rhondda Valley

I assume Ann intended her message below for the list but used the wrong list address. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Davies" <Ann@llanfabon.freeserve.co.uk> To: <W/gen@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Dolewrygan Farm DAVIES I am new to the computer age but I hope you will be able to help me. The names I am looking for are William and Catherine Davies believed to be living on Dolewrygan Farm Llandeilo in 1881. I do not know whether they owned the property or whether they were employed there. It is the only information I have. Catherine had a daughter Ann (c.1866, she lived at Tynewydd, Glandwr in the early part of the 20th century) prior to the marriage. Wm. and Catherine had 4 sons :Ezer Caleb Stephen and John (known as Jack). Catherine was also, I believe, known as 'Cati'. My link is through Caleb, I do not know anything more about his parents or his family - other than what I have collected together in notes over the years - which is now inwardly digested computer wise. The other question I have is - how do I go about finding someone from Hay on Wye? This time it would be not as popular name as Davies : in turn it would be Parmee, but he married into another Davies family - this time from Glamorgan. Otherwise the family names are Williams from Wiltshire, and Caudle from Gloucestershire. So, all in all, a mixed lot = and they all ended up in Wales! Thank you for your time, any help would be much appreciated. A new Lister. Ann2

List, Can someone help find out who was living at in the year 1906; 2 Castle Street North Road Milford Haven Thanks Steve Nicholas Researching: Nicholas - Caerphilly and Bedwas Cross - Llanishen, Lisvane Lawson, Atkins, Farnham - Glamorgan http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.nick/index.htm

Where does one look to find out who was living at a particular address in a certain year? I have a Bible of an ancestor with a name and address in Neath, date, 1924. I would love to know more about this person and who she was living with at the time she wrote her name and address in this Bible. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve.nick" <steve.nick@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Help Please -2 CASTLE TERRACE MILFORD HAVEN 1906 > List, > > Can someone help find out who was living at in the year 1906; > 2 Castle Street > North Road > Milford Haven > > Thanks > Steve Nicholas > > Researching: > Nicholas - Caerphilly and Bedwas > Cross - Llanishen, Lisvane > Lawson, Atkins, Farnham - Glamorgan > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.nick/index.htm >

A lady from Elstree involved in a community project on farming just asked me for a lookup from "The Welsh Cattle Drovers" by Richard Colyer, 1976. She was curious as to what the "Welsh connection " with Elstree could be, she'd spotted the name in the online index. The subject turned out to be so topical that I thought I would share my response with you . ########## The Elstree reference arises in a fairly long section of the book headed "Cattle disease and its effects upon the cattle trade", which is about as topical as you can get for a year 2001 project on farming ! He says with feeling as someone who lives within the Dartmoor National Park :-( I will extract enough quotes to give you the general picture. The actual lines below are in a section relating to the 1865 cattle plague; "The outbreak of cattle plague in 1865, which was eventually to wreak such havoc among herds throughout the length and breadth of the country, prompted Robert Curtis to write to the Plague Commissioners of Tenterden in Kent, suggesting that the droving of cattle be banned for the duration of the epidemic. He considered ' that the case of the Welshmen that lost nearly all their cattle.....will be sufficient to prove how hazardous the droving of cattle must be '. The case to which he referred was that of Simon Williams and John Jones, two North Wales drovers who had driven diseased animals to Barnet fair..." "...........John Jones had 'secretly' driven a number of diseased cattle from Barnet to Elstree, thereby further facilitating the spread of the plague..." "As Dale [a Veterinary inspector from Barnet] complained to the Privy Council ;-'this part of my district, Elstree, was entirely free from the plague, but in consequence of this drove, every herd of cattle belonging to gentlemen and farmers adjoining have been affected by the disease.' " " Prohibition of the movement of cattle by a series of Orders in Council of 1866, and by the Cattle Diseases Prevention Act of the same year, substantially reduced the activities of drovers and dealers at the markets and fairs in England." ############## Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

The Mary Ann Furnace began in 1762 at Furnance Creek, York County, Pennsylvania, It was erected by George Ross and Company. There was another, the Mary Ann (Dowlin) Forge on the Brandywine Creek in Chester County, Pennsylvania erected in 1785 by Dowlin. Still another, called Mary Ann Furnace, located in Longswamp Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania - erected in 1795 by Jacob Lesher. This was a fairly large furnace, 30 feet high and a bosh of 7 feet. And one more, a Mary Ann Furnace at Haydentown, Fayette County, Pennsylvania - erected in 1800 by J. Martin. Source of all above: "Iron Manufacture in the Eighteenth Century" published by the Pennsylvania Historical Commission. I don't have the whole book, but my selected photocopied pages do not mention a family named GWYNN. Could the family name be spelled as GWIN? The records of Christ Church, Philadelphia has burial records for a John and Mary GWIN around 1726-1727. Also, there is a Hugh GWYNN listed as a Revolutionary soldier or Patriot in the book "Central Pennsylvania Marriages" compiled by Dr. Charles Fisher. GWYNN lived in Union County and had a wife named Margaret. Another book by Fisher lists Hugh GWYNN as living in Penn Township and having sons named Thomas and William. The will of Hugh GWYNN was probated 4/28/1806. You might also try looking for your ancestor in the "History of Chester County, Pennsylvania" by Cope which includes much on Penn's "Welsh Tract" running from about Narberth in Montgomery County to about Downington in Chester County and north to Berks County - in fact three of the early Berks County Townships were primarily of Welsh settlers. I'm not a GWYNN researcher, but enjoy learning of the history of the Welsh in Pennsylvania. The entire old histories of Northumberland County by both Bell and Floyd are on-line through Rootsweb Genweb. Union County was originally a part of Northumberland. Good luck, Elida in South Carolina, USA Researching: POWELL, PARSELL, THOMAS, JONES, SCHAEFFER or SHAFER, SCHNEIDER or SNYDER, STUTZMAN or STUTSMAN, WEARY or WERI, or WEHRY or WERY, DIETERICH, and REDEBACH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gwynn" <gwynn@inreach.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Gwynn > I need help on my Gwynn Line. It has been passed down through the family by word of mouth that the original Gwynn in my line left Wales in the early 1600's (having to leave the Country quickly), and came to the Baltimore area in the America. However, I have only been able to establish that William Gwynn b. 1749 arrived in York County Pennsylvania about 1772 having emigrated from Ireland. He was an iron master and either owned or operated the Mary Ann Furnace, a blast furnace. He had no children. About 1775, his brother John Gwynn b. 1748 emigrated from Ireland to Fredrick County area of Maryland. He had a wife (unknown) and two children Ann b. ? and William b. 1775, both in Ireland. He had five more children in America, one being Elizabeth who married her cousin Robert Gwynn b.about 1774 in Great Britain and d. 22 August 1805 at sea. > Being Elizabeth's cousin, it is probable the John and William had a brother. > > I have not been able to establish and connection in Ireland or Wales beyond the above. It could be that the original Gwynn went to Ireland instead of Baltimore. > > However, I received an article on the Kidwelly Tin Works (1737 to 1798) wherein Charles Gwynn, Anthony Rogers, Mary Gwynn, Leonard Bilson Gwynn, Robert Morgan, Catherine Middleton Gwynn, Lieu. General Francis Gwynn and William Gwynn of Kent were related and/or involved with the Tin Works or the iron works, blast-furnaces and forges at Carmarthen, Whitland and Cwydwyfran. The thought crossed my mind that this might be where my William Gwynn received his training as an iron master. > > Any ideas you might have would be appreciated. I'm going to post this message on the Cardignanshire, Monmouthshire, Dyfed and Pembrokeshire Lists as well, so you might run into it again, but please give it some attention and respond if you have any ideas for me. > > Thank you very much, > > John Gwynn > San Francisco, California >