on 11/4/01 3:03 pm, Bryn Evans at brynevans@btinternet.com wrote: > Please could someone look up the following: > Isaac & Rosa OWENS (OWEN) in the Pembrokeshire 1891 census please. > Thanks in anticipation.. Bryn Evans Hi Bryn They weren't in north west Pembrokeshire. I won't do the following info again, so if any listers are interested please keep. My database of the 1891 census, at the moment, covers the following parishes: Ambleston Boulston Brawdy Camrose Castlebythe Fishguard Granston Haroldston West Hayscastle Henry's Moat Jordanston Lambston Letterston Little Newcastle Llandeloy Llanfair-nant-y-gof Llanhowell Llanllawer Llanreithan Llanrhian (includes village of Trevine) Llanstinan Llanwnda (includes village of Goodwick) Llanychaer Manorowen Mathry Nolton Pontfaen Prendergast (North) Puncheston Roch Rudbaxton St David's St Dogwells St Edrins St Elvis St Lawrence St Nicholas Spittal Treffgarne Wiston Uzmaston Walton East Whitchurch (includes village of Solva) and, further south St Ishmaels and half of Hubberston I hope to have this lot transferred to a very much more powerful database on my MAC in the next month or so. Once this is done I will (slowly) start adding to it, first of all with the rest of the parishes between the Haven/Daugleddau and the the ones I've already transcribed. This is a full transcription with everything that's on the census return put into the database. Gerry Lewis

By an odd coincidence - Here's a bit of a follow-up on my questions of earlier today regarding a British grocer being fined for selling bananas by the lb. and how the EU relates to Washington, DC, USA. It seems Britian will have cheaper bananas very soon. I saw bananas at Wal-Mart today for .48 a lb. I promise, my next post will relate to geneaology. Elida in SC, USA ****************************** U.S. settles banana dispute with European Union By PAUL GEITNER, Associated Press BRUSSELS, Belgium (April 11, 2001 10:15 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Trade representatives said Wednesday that the European Union and the United States have reached an accord to end a long-running trade dispute over bananas. Under the deal, the United States on July 1 will suspend sanctions it imposed in 1999 on nearly $200 million worth of imports ranging from French handbags to British linens and Danish ham, EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy said. Washington levied 100 percent tariffs after winning a case at the World Trade Organization over banana import rules adopted by the European Union in 1993. The United States argued that the single EU system favored shipments from former European colonies in Caribbean and Pacific islands and Africa over cheaper bananas from Latin America sold by Chiquita Brands International Inc. and Dole Foods Co. The new accord will allow bananas to be imported into the European Union through licenses distributed on the basis of past trade until 2006, when a tariff-only system will take effect. "Today's step marks a significant breakthrough," Lamy said. "After several years of difficult negotiations, we have been able to strike a balance between all the parties concerned" - producers, traders and consumers. Lamy noted that the deal still protects producers in former colonies, although at a "slightly smaller amount" than previously proposed - a quota of 750,000 metric tons instead of 850,000. The accord must be cleared by the European Parliament and the 15 EU governments. Total EU imports of bananas last year were 3.3 million tons, according to the European Fresh Produce Importers Association. EU leaders praised the agreement with new U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick as welcome progress in resolving nettlesome issues between the world's two biggest trading partners. "This is an important piece in the puzzle of improving trans-Atlantic trade relations," said Swedish Minister for Trade Leif Pagrotsky, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency. The United States has another $117 million of sanctions on European products resulting from the EU's ban on American beef grown with hormones. The EU, meanwhile, is challenging tax subsidies received by thousands of U.S. firms, including Boeing and Microsoft. Congress last fall changed the law, but the EU contends the new provisions are also WTO-illegal, and is threatening punitive tariffs on $4 billion of U.S. goods. That case will be decided later this year. Copyright © 2000 The Island Packet, Hilton Head, South Carolina

I always understood that the American measurement for cooking were different from the U.K. measurements anyway. At least that was an excuse for baking failures. It may take a generation for people to finally accept metric, as it was brought in to the schools, in New Zealand, that was when we all finally had to change. The older people were the ones who found it difficult. Like learning to use an auto money machine, it all becomes eventually so easy. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elida" <elida@signature.cc> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:04 AM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > Hi listers, > I live in the USA. Now and then I read a little of the "London Times" on-line. Today there is an interesting article about a grocer who got in trouble for selling bananas by the pound. > > I tried a search for the EU (European Union) on google.com and am more confused about the EU - they have an office in my Washington, DC, USA. Would this be like an ambassador's office? > > I don't mean to offend anyone by my questions, but is the term "Great Britian" no longer to be used? If I can still refer to Great Britian, what is it now? > > What is the "United Kingdom". Is this the term which has replaced the use of "Great Britian"? > > I notice when my Public Broadcasting TV has a cooking show from England the recipes are not in metric system quantities. Are most cookbooks in England and Wales using metric system amounts? If not, why did the grocer do wrong by selling bananas by the pound? > > The average American citizen has firmly refused the use of metric system measurements - me included. > > Elida in South Carolina > > > > > >

on 10/4/01 7:04 pm, Elida at elida@signature.cc wrote: > Hi listers, > I live in the USA. Now and then I read a little of the "London Times" > on-line. Today there is an interesting article about a grocer who got in > trouble for selling bananas by the pound. > > I tried a search for the EU (European Union) on google.com and am more > confused about the EU - they have an office in my Washington, DC, USA. Would > this be like an ambassador's office? > > I don't mean to offend anyone by my questions, but is the term "Great Britian" > no longer to be used? If I can still refer to Great Britian, what is it now? > > What is the "United Kingdom". Is this the term which has replaced the use of > "Great Britian"? > > I notice when my Public Broadcasting TV has a cooking show from England the > recipes are not in metric system quantities. Are most cookbooks in England > and Wales using metric system amounts? If not, why did the grocer do wrong by > selling bananas by the pound? > > The average American citizen has firmly refused the use of metric system > measurements - me included. > > Elida in South Carolina Hi Elida I don't know the answer to the EU question, except I think you're right regarding it being like an ambassador's office. We Brits live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and I'm not going to enter into any discussion about the latter place. We have been forced into using the metric system, but in the usual British fashion it's a pig's ear - we can still buy "fresh" milk in pints, but long-life milk is sold in litres. We can buy jam (US jelly) in pounds. Nearly everything else is sold by metric weight. Draught beer in pubs is sold in pints. Bottled/canned beer in supermarkets is sold in metric. Timber (lumber) is sold in metric lengths, but the cross sections are still based on imperial - for example, 4 by 2 has become 100 (mm) by 50 (mm). I go into my local supermarket and ask for half a pound of cheddar cheese, and they give me approximately 250 grammes in return. No problem. Most items are priced per pound and per kilogramme. And of course, we still use miles when talking about distances. All road signs show miles. My (German) car has a milometer/odometer that shows miles. Is there anyone in the UK who says his/her car does so many litres of petrol per 100 kilometres? I think not - we all say miles per gallon (UK gallon that is, which is 1.20095 US gallons). I guess that when all us oldies who learned imperial at school have departed there may be pressure for a total conversion to metric. Gerry Lewis - a Welshman with a British passport living in England - what am I going to put on the census form in 2 weeks time? PS The allotment I rent from my local parish council for growing flowers and vegetables is measured in (square) poles!! Also known as a (square) rod or perch = 16.5 ft x 16.5 ft = 30.25 square yards = 25.2929 square metres. GL

Hi listers, I live in the USA. Now and then I read a little of the "London Times" on-line. Today there is an interesting article about a grocer who got in trouble for selling bananas by the pound. I tried a search for the EU (European Union) on google.com and am more confused about the EU - they have an office in my Washington, DC, USA. Would this be like an ambassador's office? I don't mean to offend anyone by my questions, but is the term "Great Britian" no longer to be used? If I can still refer to Great Britian, what is it now? What is the "United Kingdom". Is this the term which has replaced the use of "Great Britian"? I notice when my Public Broadcasting TV has a cooking show from England the recipes are not in metric system quantities. Are most cookbooks in England and Wales using metric system amounts? If not, why did the grocer do wrong by selling bananas by the pound? The average American citizen has firmly refused the use of metric system measurements - me included. Elida in South Carolina

Fwd for Gwyn Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwyn Jones" <gwyn@bwthyn31.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-Pembrokeshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Help! > I wonder if someone can help with the following: > A relative of mine died in 1935 at Priory Mount, Haverfordwest UD. Since he was aged 66 and unmarried, I am assuming that Priory Mount was some sort of institution. Anyone know what type of instiution it was? > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Gwyn > >

In a message dated 4/7/2001 11:02:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Hi Donna > > I phoned a few of the booksellers (Saturday is cheap rate day!) and the guy > in Tenby (Cofion Books, tel 01834 845741) sold a copy (it is called "Story > of Begelly") yesterday. I've given him my telephone number in case he gets > another copy. > > No luck with any of the others. > > One interesting (if a bit sad) piece of news is that Leo of Carmarthen Books > (9 Mansel Street, Carmarthen, tel 01276 235676) has sold his property to > developers and is emigrating to New Zealand (!). The Welsh part of his book > collection will be in a sale during the next month or so. > > The biggest local paper is (I think) "The Western Telegraph", Their > advertising office is at 14 Meyrick Street, Pembroke Dock tel 01646 682420 > > When I have a bit of time I'll check the book for Johns of Fold Park. > > Gerry Lewis > Dear Gerry, Thank you so much for your efforts, I am grateful. Donna John VanJahnke

As far as the Pem pages are concerned, thanks to several of you lovely people, I am delighted to say that I have had a magnificent response to my last begging message :-) Which means that we now have 100% cover on the Pem PRs material. Having said that, I would prefer to have more than volunteer for each item, for obvious reasons. Which brings me to the census 'problem'. I already have cover for 2 of the 8 separate districts on the 1851 Pem census, and 1 of the 5 bits of the 1841 Pem census. I *may* now have a volunteer for the rest of them but am not prepared to have just one volunteer dealing with all that, it would not be much fun and I suspect wouldn't last long either. So, if any one else is prepared to share the load please contact me, maybe we can work this out. The Pem page is coming along great folks, let's see if we can at least equal the Glamorgan pages from the point of view of having lookups for most , if not all , of available published indexes. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Hi Gerry, Sorry - yes a date would be very useful!! Alban Thomas Watts was born around 1795, so I think it'll be before your records start - but thanks anyway. Rosalie

on 6/4/01 9:07 pm, Roots2Find@aol.com at Roots2Find@aol.com wrote: > Hi Gerry, > I have been trying to get my hands on Mr. Morgan's book, "Story of Begelly" > (I thought it was "A History of Begelly") since I visited Begelly in 1997 and > had a chance to see a copy owned by a local couple. It contained great > information about my John ancestors with pictures of the family at the old > homestead (Fold Park)! I would also be interested in the other book you > mentioned, "A Pembrokeshire Countryman Looks Back: Further Researches and > Remeniscences of Begelly and District". > I have inquired over the internet to various book shops with no luck. Do you > have any names of antiquian booksellers in that area. I would also like to > place an ad in the local newspapers - can you give me a clue as to what > newspapers that might be? > I appreciate any help or advise you can send my way. > Thanks, Donna John VanJahnke > roots2find@aol.com > Hi Donna I phoned a few of the booksellers (Saturday is cheap rate day!) and the guy in Tenby (Cofion Books, tel 01834 845741) sold a copy (it is called "Story of Begelly") yesterday. I've given him my telephone number in case he gets another copy. No luck with any of the others. One interesting (if a bit sad) piece of news is that Leo of Carmarthen Books (9 Mansel Street, Carmarthen, tel 01276 235676) has sold his property to developers and is emigrating to New Zealand (!). The Welsh part of his book collection will be in a sale during the next month or so. The biggest local paper is (I think) "The Western Telegraph", Their advertising office is at 14 Meyrick Street, Pembroke Dock tel 01646 682420 When I have a bit of time I'll check the book for Johns of Fold Park. Gerry Lewis

My recent request that listers check out the vacant slots on the 'old ' Dyfed county LE pages produced a nil return. Now this may well be because listers just don't have the items, or don't want to offer them formally, that's OK. But, I hope I may be forgiven for listing the main items below, just in case someone *can* help by volunteering . Naturally the list doesn't include many other missing indexes which have also been published by the Dyfed FHS, they would be very welcome too :-) CMN page Dyfed Marriages 1813-1837 = Vol XVI Kidwelly hundred PEM page MIs Llandewi Velfrey, St David's Church Slebech, St John's Church Spittal, St Mary's Church PEM page PRs Dyfed Marriages 1813-1837 = Vol VII Cilgerran hundred Vol XI Rhos hundred Vol XII Narbeth hundred PEM page PRs Dyfed Baptisms and Burials 1813-1837= Narberth Rhos Cilgerran PEM page PRs= Pembrokeshire Baptisms 1838-1900 Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

In a message dated 4/4/2001 7:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Hi Jon > > I bought a book a few years ago called "A Pembrokeshire Countryman Looks > Back". It turned out to have a sub title " Further Researches and > Remeniscences of Begelly and District". > > The author and publisher (in 1988) was Commander W.R.Morgan (of Velindre > near Crymmych). As he was born in 1909 I suspect he is no longer with us. It > was printed by Five Arches Press, Tenby and did not have an ISBN. > > He also wrote an earlier book "Story of Begelly". > > Chapter headings in the book I have: > > The Village > Farming > The Drovers > Coal Mining > Education > Religion > Village Water Supply > Postal Services > Raods and Toll Gates > The Coming of the Railway > The Union Workhouse > > The books are long out of print, so some phone calls to antiquarian or > second hand bookshops in west Wales may come up trumps. > > Gerry Lewis > Hi Gerry, I have been trying to get my hands on Mr. Morgan's book, "Story of Begelly" (I thought it was "A History of Begelly") since I visited Begelly in 1997 and had a chance to see a copy owned by a local couple. It contained great information about my John ancestors with pictures of the family at the old homestead (Fold Park)! I would also be interested in the other book you mentioned, "A Pembrokeshire Countryman Looks Back: Further Researches and Remeniscences of Begelly and District". I have inquired over the internet to various book shops with no luck. Do you have any names of antiquian booksellers in that area. I would also like to place an ad in the local newspapers - can you give me a clue as to what newspapers that might be? I appreciate any help or advise you can send my way. Thanks, Donna John VanJahnke roots2find@aol.com

on 6/4/01 1:04 am, Kate Brookfield at kbrookfi@sympatico.ca wrote: > Can I jump in on that request and ask for a birth record of a James MORRIS > about 1830. Father David. > > Kate Hi Kate No James Morris baptised in the Cilgerran Hundred (includes Manordeifi). Do you know where your James Morris was baptised? Would you like me to check all the indexes for Pembrokeshire? Note: You probably know that birth registration did not start until mid 1837. If a child was not baptised before this time there will be no record. Gerry Lewis

on 5/4/01 7:32 pm, Balfour at balfour@tesco.net wrote: > If anyone has access to the parish records of Manordeifi, I'd really > appreciate a look up. I'd like to find the baptism of my 3x gt > grandfather ALBAN THOMAS WATTS. > > Rosalie Hi Rosalie A date would be useful!!! I don't have access to the originals (I live in Oxfordshire), but no Alban Thomas Watts in the indexes of baptisms in the parish church, Manordeifi, between 1813 and 1837 and between 1837 and 1899. Gerry Lewis

Can I jump in on that request and ask for a birth record of a James MORRIS about 1830. Father David. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Balfour" <balfour@tesco.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Parish records Manordeifi > If anyone has access to the parish records of Manordeifi, I'd really > appreciate a look up. I'd like to find the baptism of my 3x gt > grandfather ALBAN THOMAS WATTS. > > Rosalie > >

Miriam Smith <mesmith1@lsu.edu> wrote: One of the advisors in my office is taking students this summer to London and Cork. I've heard there is a ferry from Swansea to Cork. Where exactly is Swansea? ============ Hi Miriam, Swansea is the second city of Wales (some would say the first!!) on the south-facing coast of Wales. Try visiting the website at http://www.swansea.gov.uk/ You should find out all about Swansea there. Best wishes, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, Swansea Valley, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm --- This message is certified virus-free by AVG Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.243 / Virus Database: 118 - Release Date: 30/03/2001

If anyone has access to the parish records of Manordeifi, I'd really appreciate a look up. I'd like to find the baptism of my 3x gt grandfather ALBAN THOMAS WATTS. Rosalie

on 4/4/01 6:17 pm, Schwarz family at schwarzs@ebtech.net wrote: > Hi Gerry, We were very interested to see your posting on the "Berry" family. > Our family tree is one of the MORTIMER's, Mary (REVILL) SCHWARZ's > ggrandfather was a John Mortimer B. circ. 1848 ,married to an Elizabeth > Smith b. circ.1849. Johns brother was a Stephen Mortimer married to a > Leticia Berry. Stephen apparently owned the family farm in Pembrockshire ( ? > Stenton area). Leticia was a cousin to Lord Camrose and Lord Kelmsley. Have > you got any information on this branch of the family ? John and Stephen > Mortimer's parents may have been a Benjamine Mortimer from Camrose, and a > Mary Mortimer possible from Llawhaden. In 1851 Benjamine lived in > Redstock/Steynton . In 1861 it appears the family moved to Rosemarket, a > farm called Bastleford. The son Stephen appears ended his days in Pelcombe > Bridge, near Haverford West. Regards Herb and Mary (Revill) Schwarz in sunny > Ontario,Canada <schwarzs@ebtech.net> Hi Herb and Mary I'm sorry to say I have no more information on the Berrys than that I gave in my original posting. Unless I can prove some connection between my Philip Mathias and their Henry Mathias then I won't spend any time on the Berrys. Gerry Lewis

on 4/4/01 6:45 pm, Tafftony@aol.com at Tafftony@aol.com wrote: > No shortage of Mathias in Camrose still!! cheers Tony Rogers > > Hi Tony Do you know whether any of them are researching their family trees? Gerry Lewis

One of the advisors in my office is taking students this summer to London and Cork. I've heard there is a ferry from Swansea to Cork. Where exactly is Swansea? Miriam in Baton Rouge, LA, USA